That's where you're wrong - because it IS about dollars. As far as whom is to blame, if you're squaring it on just conservative then that's just a lie - your very next sentence mentions how bickering amongst different lobbying democrats made you guys concede things.
Because dumb ass, not one Republican voted for health care reform, not even those that actually offered up solutions. Dems were forced to go it alone which means independents like Liebermann had to be appeased.
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As far as dollars - You're absolutely wrong, and I'm not sure if you're understanding what I'm saying, because I would think you would agree with it. Mental health for the country is incredibly preventative - which would overall result in much less expenditures. I'm sure if people in this country were more mentally healthy there would be:
1) Less obese people
2) Less depressed people
3) Less expensive drugs taken
4) Less abuse drugs taken (illegal ones, alcohol, etc...)
5) Less emergency room visits
6) Less school shootings, hell, less crime in general. We all know how much police/courts/criminal proceedings add up.
By all means, let's do like European countries and implement a VAT to pay for healthcare, I'm all for it. But you guys are typically the ones complaining about consumption taxes - well buckle up because the European countries you idolize pay for things with consumption VAT taxes - not income tax.
Democrat politicians and voters actually vote to raise their taxes including on things like consumption. Funny how you righties are always quick to point out how dems are always raising taxes until its not convenient.
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Also I'm not quite following you with the "let them die" narrative - considering hospitals cannot refuse emergency services? But to answer your overall question - Universal insurance - YES, I am all for it. Just do not run it via a government built entity. That's all I ask.
The funny thing is that with easier access to Healthcare, a HUGE side effect for people is that they are healthier in general and healthier people cost less. Right now, many people don't get regular checkups, only go to doctors when they are already extremely sick which costs us more.
But do you want to know whom your biggest enemy is? It's not conservatives - it's actually your own faction. It's imbeciles like this - that are so partisan - so blind to their own ideology that they might as well wear blinders on 24/7. They don't seek to resolve issues but to try and silence anyone that disagrees. Their inept attitude on anyone that disagrees with them is so intoxicating - and if you keep morons like this as your front-and-center folks, no one will listen. Because you're represented by a fool, and a complete moron. It's basically the equivalent of Antifa - to which most reasonable people (conservatives and reasonable liberals a-like) should distance themselves from. Not once have I seen IW ever be reasonable on any topic of discussion. You might as well bring a complete moron to a debate. Below is a perfect example - no debate or discussion of a solution, just simply bickering.
Uh oh, a snowflake needs a safe space otherwise this guy on the internet isn't going to give you a solution to health care costs. Lol
Here's a hint, you can't have any sort of debate until everyone agrees what the facts and reality are. Go ahead and prove me wrong.
Same thing with the ACA - If you have say - some stomach issues, and you go to a stomach doc, you're going to pay ~$200 for a simple assessment - that doesn't include any lab tests, prescriptions, etc...
Sure, you can go get a "check-up" in which the PCP will then say "You should see a <insert specialist doctor>" - and like I said, it will be $200+ for the shit ACA high-deductible plan - which (as stated earlier) doesn't include any additional tests (X-Ray, MRI, blood test, etc... etc..)
That doesn't sound preventative to me. Plus the whole "in network" vs. "out of network" game - have fun with that with an ACA plan - the doc will be in network, but all the labs will be out of network and they will bill you $500. Does that sound like a solution? Everything I just said isn't far-fetched, because I guarantee you it's something that I have run into in life - and I would think you as well have run into this at some point in your life.
@PixelSquish
You starting to get my point? Zero points, no arguments, no debate - just simple assertions and useless banter. Like a child having a hissy fit. I would honestly hate to see how pathetic his life is given his responses on an anonymous forum all day - but if you can't see this as a VERY clear example of what I'm talking about, then there is simply no hope for you. People like myself are willing to come to the table and discuss, debate, and reason - and the other side just wants to make snowflake jokes like I'm raging and beating my desk right now or something. It's like this forum is turning into 4chan.
It's always interesting to see a conservative bitch and moan about how shit-tier the US healthcare system is, compared to socialized health care in all the rest of the 1st world countries...and then somehow do a 1440 and come to blame the ACA for what has existed since long before Obummer™ was a twinkle in his communist anti-colonialist father's eye.You clearly don't understand what the ACA is or what it does.
For Christ's sake at least learn the basics before you start spouting off on others. Blaming the ACA for how our insurance system has always ran is ignorant at best and idiotic at worst.
Read and fucking learn something.
http://theconversation.com/do-you-k...le-care-act-does-heres-a-primer-to-help-73736
The first thing out of my right wing parent's mouths after they became aware of the shooting was the gun grabbers will go after their guns again after which I had to remind them that something has to be done to stop this madness.Clearly that's an argument for no gun control at all. We should legalize heavy machine guns and have them available at corner stores.
yep, and when that fails, what else can we ban other than sensible gun control, or an attempt at it?
Windows..?yep, and when that fails, what else can we ban other than sensible gun control, or an attempt at it?
I was thinking education. Seems right up the alley of those who don't want to talk about guns...Windows..?
Would fix that silly climate change malarkey as. Well.I was thinking education. Seems right up the alley of those who don't want to talk about guns...
I know you folks love to generalize us - .
Let's start charging the parents with Felony Murder for not securing their guns. Let all of the "responsible gun owner" types actually have consequences for not being responsible.
That’s interesting. Have any states required gun insurance?Or what I’ve never been able to understand why it’s not in place.
Own all the guns you want. Each gun requires a 10 million insurance policy if they are used in a crime or accidentally shoot someone. Let the actuary’s figure out the risks/costs per person and per weapon.
Or what I’ve never been able to understand why it’s not in place.
Own all the guns you want. Each gun requires a 10 million insurance policy if they are used in a crime or accidentally shoot someone. Let the actuary’s figure out the risks/costs per person and per weapon.
I'm assuming you aren't a minor at this point, but I'd still take an emancipation case to court and opt to remove them from your life.The first thing out of my right wing parent's mouths after they became aware of the shooting was the gun grabbers will go after their guns again after which I had to remind them that something has to be done to stop this madness.
Hannity has the solution, he said it’s so simple. Harden the schools.
That's actually a pretty interesting idea you have there. In order to purchase any firearm you must have insurance.
Insurance has the right to question you - including for medical records, etc.. Obviously someone with mental issues - on questionable medication, etc... would likely be declined - or at the very least their rate for insurance would be incredibly high.
At the same time, insurance company can do background checks to the point of looking at their social media history - including that of the children that live with you.
The question is what happens if they pay for the insurance, but then stop paying after a while....
I dunno, just some open thoughts - it would be rather hard given how many illegal ones are out by now, but it's definitely not a bad idea.
Hannity has the solution, he said it’s so simple. Harden the schools.
Yeah...Those who know him expressed shock that he might be involved in the massacre.
Michael Farina, 17, grew up with Pagourtzis and said he would play video games with him. He recalled Pagourtzis knew a lot about guns and remembered him asking which gun he should get when he was older.
"I'm kind of dumbfounded,” Farina said. “We didn't get any warning.”
I wonder if the people that support our insane gun laws ever just consider shutting the fuck up when something like this happens.
Like, I can't imagine if I supported the permissive gun laws in this country, having the gall to say something idiotic about locking doors or arming teachers or whatever.
You have your live action Westworld, things are just the way you want them. We know you don't give a fuck, we know the laws won't change, so just shut the fuck up because no one wants to fucking hear it.
Oooooo i got one!What gun laws on the books now or new ones that have been proposed since Parkland would have prevented this?