ANOTHER School Shooting

[Optimus]

<< *sniffle* Would you like me to leave OT forever guys? *sniffle* >>



You are like the old court jesters of old. You prance around like a buffoon - attracting attention by inviting abuse through stupid, heartless, and crappy posts. Then when people lash out at you, you spin around and bow with a flourish. Another performance by the jester - how the crowd that throws tomatoes at him must actually love and respect him, he thinks.
You enjoy it - or at least you think you do. My thought is that you are intimidated by this place. You know you lack the talent and personality to become a well-known member by participating civilly, so you instead take the easier way by becoming well-known as the board jerk and idiot. Some attention is better than none, right?
But you are not respected - and you know that. You pretend that being disliked was your goal all along - so its cool that everyone dislikes you - right? Hell, the more people you ruffle the cooler you get, right? You're the freakin' Eminem of OT - Fvckin yeah!
But you aren't. You don't think we have an endless stream of &quot;you&quot; coming an going? Unoriginal, unimaginative, and most of all, scared to actually be yourself for fear of rejection. Don't claim this really is &quot;you&quot;.

And now I expect one of 3 responses:

1) A glib remark along the lines of what you always post - its easy and you know how, so why not?
2) Ignore. (can't respond, so why draw attention to it?)
3) An actual resonse. Reason. Logic. You. (not likely, is it?)


Carry on, Aryll - by all means.

 

[jaydee]

I guess the old saying is true:

'When few people die, its a tragedy, when many people die, its a statistic'

Anybody know who is credited with that statement? I forgot, Patton mabey?

 

[urbantechie]

Hey, Santee is about 30min from my house....

 

[pdiddy]

better parenting and less single parent families is what needs to be done

 

[NOX]

<< Population control. >>

Well lets start with you first.



<< Home schooling your child deprives them of valuable social experiences. >>

Wrong! Recreational activities such as soccer, baseball, basketball, football etc. (which all 3 participate in) does more then make up for the social minuscule of not having to experience this is a school environment. If your child is locked up in the house all day then maybe so, but this is not the case for his kids. You make a board statement with no facts. I can see why you were declared the forum idiot.

 

[Taz4158]

It just never seems to end. Kids see it as their chance at 15 minutes of fame rather than truly dealing with their problems. It is just so sickening.

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;better parenting and less single parent families is what needs to be done&quot;

Right on.

 

[NOX]

I think most of us accept the risk when we put our kids in a car. But should we also accept the risk when putting our kids in a school?

<< NOX, I guess interacting with other students in a learning environment isn't considered a valuable social experience to you, but playing some sports more than makes up for it, right? >>

Interacting with others period, is a valuable social experience. This can be obtained in many places, at the home or in your own neighborhood, and local park. I don't know what type of activities your State offer the kids, but here we have a bunch.

<< Solving group problems/projects, and being in group situations in school parallels the job environment in so many ways, its ridiculous >>

I agree with that statement but you can get this anywhere. An example is boy scouts, or your local YMCA, you heard of these things right? Many will agree that kids who play a lot of team sports tend to interact more then kids who see each other at school but never say anything to each other, even thought the see the same kid everyday. Unlike teams sports where everyone gets to know each other and many even have weekly activities together. It?s also a known that a lot of kids will only have about 5 friends in school that they talk to on a daily basis. While kids who play sports will talk to everyone of their teammates, which consist of about 10-15 kids.

<< And you contend that kicking a few balls around a field teaches the same thing? >>

If that what sports means to you then it?s obviously you have never played sports. Most of my life long buddies are kids who I played sports with a very young age. We do many things together, go out on the weekends, go surfing, go fishing. We hardly saw each other in school because we were to busy learning. But on the weekends or at football, or baseball practice it was another story.

You should understand that there is another life out side of your normal every day routine. Schools are no exception.

 

[mpg]

1 kid got shot at my school about a week ago, after session. yes it is a regular occurance but at my school I have people bring all kinds of weapons mostly .45 mm , they claim to protect themselfs. I never shot a hand weapon but I would think it would be fun to goto a shooting range one day.

 

[fobbman]

There are a number of homeschooling groups that meet two or more days per week for group activities in my area, actually. So the isolationist comments aren't always true if homeschooling is pursued in different ways.

Currently my wife and I are looking at co-op schools. Parents have to volunteer X hours per month (the more they volunteer, the lower the tuition) and are as involved in the budget process as they want to be. Something about taking ownership of the issue that has me interested.

What happened in San Diego is sad, but what is worse is that it won't be the last time.

 

[TheOverlord]

another tragedy of this event is all the people who now talk about these &quot;damn kids today who will do anything&quot; or the &quot;stupid parents who didnt raise their kids right&quot;

what about all the folks who live normal lives and arent on the evening news? are we allowing our judgement of all America to be based on a handful of incidents involving less than 1% of our population?
:frown:
i wish we could hear more about the good things that occur each day, but thats not what brings up network ratings..shame.

that said my prayers are with those who have been thrown into this tragic situation... :frown:

 

[Hanpan]

Maybe i'm going out on a limb but think the degredation of family and family values and well as the bullsh!t ideas like morality is subjective are all reasons. The parents should be more digilent as well but when a society begins to undermine the basic social building blcok that is the family this is what happens. Bullying has been going on for cenutries (what do you think war is?0 but this is getting nuts. I mean one of these days you gonna have 5 kids get together and a whole school full of dead kids.

Kinda makes you wonder that in our quest for equality etc where did we fvck up so bad???

sigh...

:disgust:

And aRyll i don't know what your problem is but frankly that was uncalled for. It's people like you that make stupid jokes but are probably the ones who bawl like babies if they were in the same situation. YOu should count your blessing that you have never experienced such an event.

 

[JellyBaby]

TheOverlord,

Yep and another side effect of media over-coverage of tradegies is the simple fact it becomes easier for politicians to infringe on our freedoms in the guise of &quot;protecting us from ourselves&quot;. Basically people become convinced the country is ultra-dangerous, ultra-negative and ultra-in-need-of-more-tax-dollars-to-waste-on-programs-that-won't-help.

 

[CrazyRaider]

people have no life, they want to get attention, so they do it by shooting

 

[PistachioByAzul]

You know, it sounds weird but I think it's better that kids are coming to school with guns as opposed to what they'd probably do if they didnt have access to guns which would be to build bombs. Back in Jr. High me and some friends made some pretty kickass smoke bombs using materials we got from the local garden shop (namely stump remover aka salt peter). With instructions from the internet you can make some pretty serious explosives which would probably kill more people and do far more damage than a gun.

 

[lazyboy]

Thats an interesting look at it engine.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

If the desire is there to kill and destroy then that is what that person will do, with or without a gun. And as I pointed out, guns are an overrated tool for this, bombs are much more effective. Case in point Oklahoma City.

 

[Hawk]

Sorry, went to classes for about 2 hours, so late in responding.



<< Oh great, here comes the anti-gun portion of the media to start whining about more gun laws. Not to make light of this sort of situation, but how many kids have died in the last 20 years in school shootings? About... what... 10? >>



jaydee: last 20 years and the last 2 years' numbers are surprisingly close, aren't they? Does that not concern you that so many more kids are being murdered in school, which is suppose to be a place where parents send kids to learn, not die?

second, usually kids that die in car accidents have at least some small part of control and/or do something stupid themselves. Drunk drivers, well, they were stupid and drank and still drove, etc.



<< but get in a car, and not buckle up, and think things are safe >>



Exactly, they die because they are stupid (maybe that's a little harsh) and didn't put on their seat belts.

Having a student just pull out a gun out of nowhere and shoot you at point blank range, you can't really control any part of that.

 

[NOX]

<< NOX, babying your kids and trying to shelter them from what's out there, meaning what the majority of kids experience (public/private school, not home school) will only make them less adept to situations they will encounter in college, unless you'd like to home school them during those years as well. And change their diapers while you're at it. >>

Don?t need to get sarcastic because you can?t find a real reason why home schooling has no adverse impact on a kid?s social life. There is no evidence to support what you are suggesting. A lot of the kids I?ve met that are home schooled are some of the brightest and most out going kids.

The idea that this only happens to 1% of the population is stupid. That 1% may just be your kid one day, then let me see you come here and tell us how this only happens to 1% of the total population of kids! That is stupid!

I can accept that people will get killed for whatever reason, that is a fact of life. What I can?t accept (though you can) is that when I send my kid to school for an education he as a 50/50 chance of getting killed. To me that is unacceptable.

My son attends one of the top public schools in the state where I live, so don?t talk to me about babying my kid. I do not plan on home schooling my son, however I do plan on sending him to a private school. Which runs the same risk as a public school, but I believe the moral values of the private school are much higher, especially in a Christian or Catholic school.

All teenage kids here who are home schooled are allowed to play high school sports, I wonder why. It?s telling me that the BOE accepts home schooling as a legitimate alternative. If it?s my brother in laws, and my sisters choice to home school then so be it. There is nothing wrong with that, unlike what you have said with no facts to back you up.

Anyway, there is no use arguing with you. Seeing from your fashion of philosophy you are obviously a sorry human being.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

I send my kid to school for an education he as a 50/50 chance of getting killed.

How did you get that figure?

 

[NOX]

<< How did you get that figure? >>

It?s an equal figure, if you don?t think so give me one. What 75/25? The situation isn?t getting any better, so tell what you think is fair number?

 

[PistachioByAzul]

I don't have a number but I would say the risk is the same as driving a car.

 

[Zucchini]

True guns are less effective then bombs, but bombs are much harder to make and take time/planning. Guns you can just break into your parents gun cabinet, or buy pretty easily. Look at columbine, didn't the two dopes make a bunch of duds?

``He was picked on all the time,'' student Jessica Moore said. ``He was picked on because he was one of the scrawniest guys. People called him freak, dork, nerd, stuff like that.''

That will teach kids to stop picking on each other Course they didn't learn from columbine.. maybe it takes a couple times for it to sink in. Don' t pick on ppl or they might cap your ass

 

[NOX]

Exactly, 50% you?ll make it back home when driving your car and 50% you?ll get into car accident and die, or live.

But like I said, most of us (well I?ll speaks for myself) accept the fact that you can lose your life driving a car. Accidents do happened, but what I can?t understand is that people are willing to accept the fact that their child my get shot while trying to get an education in school.

I drive my car everyday knowing I could get into an accident and die. But I don?t drive my son to school knowing that I?ll probably never see him alive again because kid was mad at the world.

If I ever had to except that, that?s what happening in our schools then I wouldn?t send my son to school. That?s my thought on the matter and that?s how I feel about it. I rather see my son alive then dead, if that means keeping him home, and getting an education then that?s what I?ll do.

 

[NOX]

<< And you say I'm the village idiot? >>

No, I said you were the forum idiot, other called you the village idiot. Because you are!

<< You may want to reconsider with that statement. With that same logic, you could say he has a 50/50 chance of getting killed after he steps into an automobile, or when he goes outside to play. Retard. >>

Go back and read my other post, or the one I responded to EngineNr9. I will no repeat myself for you.

<< I think I'll continue to say it, because it's a fact of life. My child or not, it happens and it has to happen to someone. >>

I?m sorry you feel that way, but I?m not surprised that come from you seeing your other post.

<< That's how our society works; we don't live in a utopia. Pretending you can protect your child from it is foolish. >>

It?s great to know you accept how society works, you must allow it to dictate your life also right? I don?t pretend to protect my son, I know I?m doing everything possible to at least help the situation. That way if something ever did happen to him, I can go to my grave knowing I tried to do the right thing for my kid. Unlike you who feel your kid is expendable.

I feel sorry for your kid.