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RussianSensation

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Generally speaking 5-10% performance difference is not noticeable in the real world. Therefore, you really will not be able to tell the difference between these 2 cards on average.

Where you will be able to tell the difference is in the games where 1 camp is faster than the other (and when NV is faster, it's really much much faster - CIV5, Mafia 2 PhysX, Hawx2, LP2). I mean really in the other demanding games you will be running 42 vs. 46 fps (i.e., both well below 60) or in less demanding games, way above 60. That's my point. Neither of these cards is going to produce a better gaming experience today on average.

Personally, it sounds like you don't want the hassle of unlocking/overclocking the 6950. Even if you unlock, that only nets you a ~5% performance gain. So taking unlocking out of the equation, it sounds like you are more comfortable going with a faster card out of the box or a card that will get the fastest performance once overclocked to the max at 1080P - that card is the 570 if you don't care for the $60 to get there.

No one knows what will happen in 1.5-2 years, but it's almost guaranteed that no one will care if the HD6970 or the GTX570 is faster. By that time 28nm refreshes will be in full swing. Just to put 2 years in perspective for you:

1) August 15, 2009 I bought an HD4890
2) June 15, 2010 I bought a GTX470
3) February 21, 2011 I bought an HD6950

This means in only 1.5 years the market went from an HD4890 ~ $175 or so to an HD6950-->HD6970 ~ $230-250. That's about a 50-60%+ performance increase (and way more in the latest games, use an HD5870 for reference). So in another words in 1.5-2 years the difference between a GTX570 and an HD6970 will be more or less nil (i.e., too slow in new modern games by then to max them out). This is why I am advocating just putting the $60 into an SSD or put it aside for the next videocard upgrade.
 
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Arkadrel

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The price differnce between the 6950 and the 570 make the 6950 a better buy.

Unlocked 6950 to a 6970, just the shaders... means its running like a 6970 would.
Its not even overclocked yet (though it wont oc as much as a real 6970).

considering the 30%+ price differnce... I dont see why anyone would buy the 570 instead, unless they needed cuda.
 

dpodblood

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Personally, it sounds like you don't want the hassle of unlocking/overclocking the 6950. Even if you unlock, that only nets you a ~5% performance gain. So taking unlocking out of the equation, it sounds like you are more comfortable going with a faster card out of the box or a card that will get the fastest performance once overclocked to the max at 1080P - that card is the 570 if you don't care for the $60 to get there.

Well you pretty much summed up my thoughts perfectly. So I think I've decided on the GTX 570. Now I have 2 options here (I will be ordering the XFX 650 Watt PSU at the same time ~$110):

NCIX
MSI GTX 570 OC + XFX 650 Watt PSU
$521 total with tax and shipping (shipping is free in this case)
+$30 PSU MIR, and $20 VGA MIR

Newegg.ca
$537.02 total with tax and shipping
Evga GTX 570 HD + XFX 650 Watt PSU
+$30 PSU MIR, and $30VGA MIR

Price difference before rebates = $15.86
Price difference after rebates = $5.86

I am leaning slightly towards the Evga simply for brand preference, but could be easily swayed.
 
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Dark Shroud

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The only reason to buy the EVGA is if the card has their lifetime warranty. Not all EVGA cards have. Meanwhile MSI cards usually have better coolers and build quality if it's one of their after market models.
 

badb0y

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That EVGA card doesn't have lifetime warranty.

EDIT: SO basically with the MSi you get

20$ mail in rebate
20$ gift card
3D mark 11 code
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Just Cause 2
Mafia 2

I think you should get MSi in this case.
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happy medium

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Kr warranty.........

quote:
All -KR products purchased ON or AFTER January 1st, 2011 include a 3 year limited warranty from the date of purchase. Registration is recommended. Optional Extended Warranty and Step-Up™ eligibility are offered for purchase upon product registration of a -KR part number within 30 days of the purchase date.

Are you really gonna keep the card more than 3 years?

Just for your info............

Limited Lifetime: -A1, -A2, -A3, -A4, -AR, -AX, -CR, -CX, -DX, -FR, -FX, -SG, -SX
Limited 5 Year: -GR
Limited 3 Year: -K1, -KR (Before 1/1/11)
Limited 2 Year: -LA, -LE, -LR, -LX, -T1, -T2, -TR, -TX
Limited 1 Year: -B1, -BR, -BX, -DR
Limited 90 Day: -RX (Recertified parts)
 

dpodblood

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Kr warranty.........
Are you really gonna keep the card more than 3 years?

Nope I'm fine with the 3 year warranty. And I believe the MSI card has the same. The main difference is that the evga is a smaller card design with a different cooler. It also has a display port jack, but I won't be needing that.
 

load81

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Going "bang for buck" usually leaves you feeling regret for not getting the better card. If you have the money why not get the best card you can? I dont like cheating myself I can get more money so spending a little more wont bother me but being stuck with a lesser card would. Get the 570 you will love it. I'm obsessed with mine lol
 

happy medium

Lifer
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And the MSi card you get these free gifts...

Get the following FREE GIFT(s) when you buy this product!
1. NCIX.COM $20 Gift Card *Pre Activated* (a $20 value!)
2. Futuremark 3DMARK 11 Advanced Edition Coupon for Digital Download *MSI Promo Only* (a $20 value!)
3. Just Cause 2 & Mafia 2 Coupon for Digital Download *NVIDIA Promo Only* (a $50 value!)

Evga card you get the games and the 3d mark 11 but not the giftcard.
 

dpodblood

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Going "bang for buck" usually leaves you feeling regret for not getting the better card. If you have the money why not get the best card you can? I dont like cheating myself I can get more money so spending a little more wont bother me but being stuck with a lesser card would. Get the 570 you will love it. I'm obsessed with mine lol

That was my feeling as well. I'd rather spend the extra $60 and know I am getting what I want rather than live with buyers remorse.

Also I just saw this on NCIX:



They are sold out atm, but if this price comes back for the next sale I'm all over it.
 

Skurge

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This is why I hate using an avarage score to judge which card is faster. A single game will skew all the results.



What happens if you add dragon age 2 to that list where nVidia cards arent even playable?

The 570 and the 6970 are neck and neck at 1080p. except for 1 or 2 games that swing each side.

So I say get the 6950 and an SSD.

EDIT, TPU used older driver for the AMD cards except the 6990. But the OP made his choice. Hope you enjoy which ever 570 you pickup.

Also, make sure you get an SSD.
 
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happy medium

Lifer
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That was my feeling as well. I'd rather spend the extra $60 and know I am getting what I want rather than live with buyers remorse.

Also I just saw this on NCIX:



They are sold out atm, but if this price comes back for the next sale I'm all over it.

holy crap Batman thats a good price! :thumbsup:
 

mnewsham

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This is why I hate using an avarage score to judge which card is faster. A single game will skew all the results.



What happens if you add dragon age 2 to that list where nVidia cards arent even playable?

The 570 and the 6970 are neck and neck at 1080p. except for 1 or 2 games that swing each side.

So I say get the 6950 and an SSD.

agreed, the "average" FPS is bad because of that one game.
 

load81

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The 570 and the 6970 are neck and neck at 1080p.

Doesnt matter now but here is an older 1080p review http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...n-6950-graphics-card-review-introduction.html Look at the most important stat minimum frames. They are not even the 6970 only wins 1 game and another by 1 fps.

agreed, the "average" FPS is bad because of that one game.

Oh yeah thats right we have to exclude certain games because AMD can't match Nvidia's performance in them.
 

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Lifer
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Alright lets throw in DA:2 on very high with Dx11 and add that to the mix

Ok and use 4x af, AMD cards crash with it on.

"HardOCP even noted that HD6990 tanked with anything above 4xAF irrc. Therefore, it seems this game is either very demanding or the drivers are unoptimized for both camps at this point."

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31357607&postcount=23

Come on man!! Thats a brand new game and will be fixed in a week or 2, with new drivers.

260$ for a 6950 or 270$ for gtx570 and you are gonna argue the 6950?

Give me a break!:thumbsdown:
 
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mnewsham

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Ok and use 4x aa, AMD cards crash with it on.

Come on man!! Thats a brand new game and will be fixed in a week or 2, with new drivers.

260$ for a 6950 or 270$ for gtx570 and you are gonna argue the 6950?

Give me a break!:thumbsdown:

The $270 isnt in stock that doesnt count. And people thought that at first with civ V on AMD cards, we see how they run today MONTHS later.
 

dpodblood

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Hoping that that $270 GTX570 comes back when they update their sales. Even if it doesn't though I'm still leaning towards the 570 at this point.
 

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Lifer
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The $270 isnt in stock that doesnt count. And people thought that at first with civ V on AMD cards, we see how they run today MONTHS later.

This is about the OP's choice and it counts for him to wait.:thumbsup: Its not about AMD or Nvidia. :thumbsdown:

Your so busy trying to bash a AMD card down someones throat, you forgot that we are trying to help someone.
 
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