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ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: beatle
What's the deal with the CPU/video card duct? On SPCR's review it appears to just cover the video card. On The Tech Lounge's preview it shows the duct extending to the CPU. Which is the real thing?


One is actual and one is a prototype. Antec later retooled because the duct was not needed to cool.


BTW, ComputerHQ just shipped mine! BTW, someone already entered a review of the P180 at ComputerHQ and gave it a zero. They stated it was made of cheap plastic! I countered the review in the only way I could and pointed readers to the SPCR P180 tour.
 

thetman

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Originally posted by: enragedcow
Is it just a color difference, or something else? Anyone know?

The only difference other than the color is that the black one has the SPCR logo on it.
 

JBDan

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: beatle
What's the deal with the CPU/video card duct? On SPCR's review it appears to just cover the video card. On The Tech Lounge's preview it shows the duct extending to the CPU. Which is the real thing?


One is actual and one is a prototype. Antec later retooled because the duct was not needed to cool.


BTW, ComputerHQ just shipped mine! BTW, someone already entered a review of the P180 at ComputerHQ and gave it a zero. They stated it was made of cheap plastic! I countered the review in the only way I could and pointed readers to the SPCR P180 tour.

Interesting review there by "unknown" lol - Cheap plastics? Nice counter review expert and am anxious to see how you fare with your new p180. I am looking forward to getting mine as well, hoping it will be sooner rather than later.
 

RalfHutter

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Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
this thread needs more actual user first impressions.



That's very difficult to do seeing as how the case hasn't been released yet. At this time there's only a few actual production cases out there.

Be patient. It'll get here.
 

CJ4

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Originally posted by: DanDaMan315
Never understood the point of doors on cases....

For those of us with small kids so they can't open the CD drawer in the middle of us installing a program (again and again and again). Also keeps a cleaner front, especially if you don't have matching component faces.

CJ
 

Snowice

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Originally posted by: CJ4
Originally posted by: DanDaMan315
Never understood the point of doors on cases....

For those of us with small kids so they can't open the CD drawer in the middle of us installing a program (again and again and again). Also keeps a cleaner front, especially if you don't have matching component faces.

CJ


there're also the power and reset buttoms for them to play
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
this thread needs more actual user first impressions.

Once I get the case. THEN I will order the other parts. THEN I will put it together. THEN if everything works requiring no RMA's and I can get temperature readings I will post my impression.

Of course first impressions will begin when the building starts but since the case was not shipped until Monday it is a bit hard.

Wait, I know. I liked it so much that I paid for it!
 

Velk

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Originally posted by: furballi
A hard drive used to carry 3 yr warranty. Currently, most are backed with 1 yr warranty. Want more proofs?

If you believe that is a "proof" of anything, you are seriously clutching at straws. The SCSI drives which still offer long warranties and high cost premiums, are still, and have always been, mostly vertically mounted when in hard drive enclosures. There are no harddrive manufactors that suggest that harddrives are better mounted horizontally, there's a universal suggestion by all of them that any 90 degree angle is fine. Of course, this could be because all of the harddrive manufactors have no grasp of basic physics or are engaged in some kind of conspiracy of silence.

The pickup heads move in a horizontal plane (in and out) if the hard drive rests in the horizontal position. There is no changes in potential energy. Again, less wear and tear on the head actuation mechanism. This would also apply to any point on the disc platter.

If you were attached to the outer edge of a vertically mounted hard drive, your change in potential energy for each disc revolution would be 2x the distance to the center of the disc platter.


The heads can move aross the entire radius of the platter and come to a dead stop with microscopic precision in less than 9 milliseconds. I'm sure you are more than capable of calculating how much acceleration they undergo to do so - I recommend comparing that with 1G to get a better idea of how significant the effect of gravity is on the mechanism.
 

milleron

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I received my P180 yesterday! It looks as good as the photos, which is to say marvelous. I cannot see any reason to pay more or wait for a black one. It is heavy, though -- 31 pounds -- as the innards are cold-rolled steel. Only the panels are aluminum and plastic.
I received mine from shopBLT.com, a little-known but VERY good e-tailer. They have several more in stock.
I can't yet comment on noise because the P180 was the first part of my new PC to arrive. I held off ordering the rest of the components because I knew the case would be the most difficult part to obtain. With the air ducting and 80-mm fan mount especially for the video card, I opted for a Gigabyte X800XL fanless model (heat-pipe cooled). I think that this card will work beautifully in the P180 with an 80-mm Antec TriCool fan set at low speed (19 db).
One more thing: I was considering ordering silicon-rubber replacement feet for further noise dampening. No need -- they're already on the P180.
 

codehack2

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Just ordered from TankGuys.com... First time ordering from them, but their sales/support team was all over the order and even allowed me to pay via paypal. Great price, sevice and non-inflated shipping charges. Can't ask for more than that. I'll update my thought once the case is here... Coming from a Cooler master wave master.
 

milleron

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I had a little trouble getting the rear I/O panel out. It was my fault, not a problem with the case, as I'd never done it before. At any rate I emailed Antec tech support. To my surprise, they actually called me on the phone, and it was a savvy Antec person from within the US (as opposed to Bombay). Congratulations to Antec for superlative tech support.

The reason I'm posting this, though, is that the fellow went out of his way to caution me to be careful with the locking tabs on the side panel. They're plastic, and they've received reports that they're breakable. I think they will replace them under warranty, but it will be some time before they have any available. Be careful when removing and replacing the side panels on this case, and you should be OK. Follow directions and slide the panel back toward the rear of the case before trying to lift it out. It does not pop directly out like my Antec 1080. It works like my old Dell case in this regard. First back, then out.

Drawbacks I've noticed so far: (1) steel instead of aluminum in the body of the case -- it's approximately 2.3 times as heavy as the feather-light P160. (2) no included mechanism for sealing the top vent if you don't want to use that fan. (3) Sadly, the tray is not removable.

These are far outweighed by the new innovations, however. The most noteworthy to me is this fabulous air duct for the video card(s). As I mentioned, this allowed me to buy a fanless X800XL. I'll be using an 80mm fan inside the duct as my only fan blowing air INto the mobo area, which is, of course, thermally isolated from the hard drives and PSU. This setup still results in one fan for the video card, but it should be essentially silent compared to the one on a standard-cooled nVidia or ATI product.

The "wind tunnel" lower bay for the HDs and the PSU is nicely designed. The fan there is a special one that moves more air at lower RPMs than the other 120mm fans, and the access is designed to bring all the cables one will use up into the upper compartment and then routes the SATA data cables along with the SATA power cables through a separate, smaller opening back down to the HDs. Both the large opening and the smaller one between the upper and lower chambers can then be closed, via sliding panels, down to a size just big enough for the cables to fit through. I ordered an Antec TPII 550, but I'm thinking that this case isolates PSU heat so well that a Phantom 500 might work perfectly. (This might be the case for which the Phantoms are ideal).

I've seen front-panel dust filters before, but they were always difficult to access, discouraging cleaning. On the P180, access couldn't be easier -- just tap open the hinged grid in front of the two filters and pop them out.

Some have a yen for a black version, but I think this case in aluminum and black (all black from the front with the door opened 270°, another great feature) is strikingly attractive. It's MUCH better looking than the somewhat garish Antec P160.

The included fans are very-high-quality Antec TriCools. Antec says their products are rated for noise output by an independent lab, and IF these can stay at low speed, they should be inaudible. Fan grids are true honeycomb rather than round holes punched in a honeycomb pattern -- an extra-expense touch that reduces turbulence and noise.

I'm going to set it up as Antec delivered it with the exception of the added 80mm fan in the duct. IF I think there's an objectionable amount of noise coming at me from the top vent, I'll seal that off and move that fan to the front panel, blowing in. To start, however, I'm assuming that Antec did their homework and, with silence as an objective for the case, designed it and configured it this way for a purpose.

I could spend a lot more on a case, but so far I don't think I'd trade the P180 for any of them. I'll post a subjective assessment of the noise when I'm finished building in about a week.
 

JBDan

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Originally posted by: milleron

I had a little trouble getting the rear I/O panel out. It was my fault, not a problem with the case, as I'd never done it before. At any rate I emailed Antec tech support. To my surprise, they actually called me on the phone, and it was a savvy Antec person from within the US (as opposed to Bombay). Congratulations to Antec for superlative tech support.

The reason I'm posting this, though, is that the fellow went out of his way to caution me to be careful with the locking tabs on the side panel. They're plastic, and they've received reports that they're breakable. I think they will replace them under warranty, but it will be some time before they have any available. Be careful when removing and replacing the side panels on this case, and you should be OK. Follow directions and slide the panel back toward the rear of the case before trying to lift it out. It does not pop directly out like my Antec 1080. It works like my old Dell case in this regard. First back, then out.

Drawbacks I've noticed so far: (1) steel instead of aluminum in the body of the case -- it's approximately 2.3 times as heavy as the feather-light P160. (2) no included mechanism for sealing the top vent if you don't want to use that fan. (3) Sadly, the tray is not removable.

These are far outweighed by the new innovations, however. The most noteworthy to me is this fabulous air duct for the video card(s). As I mentioned, this allowed me to buy a fanless X800XL. I'll be using an 80mm fan inside the duct as my only fan blowing air INto the mobo area, which is, of course, thermally isolated from the hard drives and PSU. This setup still results in one fan for the video card, but it should be essentially silent compared to the one on a standard-cooled nVidia or ATI product.

The "wind tunnel" lower bay for the HDs and the PSU is nicely designed. The fan there is a special one that moves more air at lower RPMs than the other 120mm fans, and the access is designed to bring all the cables one will use up into the upper compartment and then routes the SATA data cables along with the SATA power cables through a separate, smaller opening back down to the HDs. Both the large opening and the smaller one between the upper and lower chambers can then be closed, via sliding panels, down to a size just big enough for the cables to fit through. I ordered an Antec TPII 550, but I'm thinking that this case isolates PSU heat so well that a Phantom 500 might work perfectly. (This might be the case for which the Phantoms are ideal).

I've seen front-panel dust filters before, but they were always difficult to access, discouraging cleaning. On the P180, access couldn't be easier -- just tap open the hinged grid in front of the two filters and pop them out.

Some have a yen for a black version, but I think this case in aluminum and black (all black from the front with the door opened 270°, another great feature) is strikingly attractive. It's MUCH better looking than the somewhat garish Antec P160.

The included fans are very-high-quality Antec TriCools. Antec says their products are rated for noise output by an independent lab, and IF these can stay at low speed, they should be inaudible. Fan grids are true honeycomb rather than round holes punched in a honeycomb pattern -- an extra-expense touch that reduces turbulence and noise.

I'm going to set it up as Antec delivered it with the exception of the added 80mm fan in the duct. IF I think there's an objectionable amount of noise coming at me from the top vent, I'll seal that off and move that fan to the front panel, blowing in. To start, however, I'm assuming that Antec did their homework and, with silence as an objective for the case, designed it and configured it this way for a purpose.

I could spend a lot more on a case, but so far I don't think I'd trade the P180 for any of them. I'll post a subjective assessment of the noise when I'm finished building in about a week.

Looking forward to hearing about your noise analysis. Njoy that b_da_s case!
 

milleron

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I finished my build yesterday. I thought I'd include some points I hadn't seen in reviews.

1 -- I ended up installing all the fans possible. My thinking was that I'd put them in while it was easy and disable them if the finished product was too loud. A couple of case fans are controlled by the Antec PSU's "fans-only" 12V connector. They run pretty slowly but aren't monitored, so I can't tell RPMs. The front chassis fan is an Antec TriCool with it's own 12/7/5 controller, set on medium. the top fan is set on low. The XP120's fan is a constant 1850 RPM. The 80mm fan in the air duct for the video card is also a TriCool set on low. The finished computer is whisper quiet. To my ear, it's about as loud as my Dell XPS from 1998, built in the days before heat and noise were a problem.

2 -- The idea of taking all the power cords UP from the lower compartment and then directing the SATA cords and cables back DOWN into the front part of the lower compartment worked well. The lower-compartment fan prevents routing them any other way.

3 -- The video-card air duct was important to me as I'm using a fanless Radeon. The heatpipes on the top of the card allowed no clearance for an 80mm fan mounted in the receptacle on the duct. I was very disappointed until I realized that I could also place the fan completely INSIDE the duct work. It's an Antec TriCool double BB set on low. It's silent, but the flow of air to the heatsinks on the video card is substantial. It couldn't have worked out better.

4 -- Antec got the USB connectors right. They've been doing that for a few years now, but there were always a lot of News-group posts asking for help in getting the front-panel audio jacks to work. All I did was plug the ten-pin adapter from the front panel into the A8N-SLI Premium's Intel-standard audio connector, and it worked right out of the chute. Headphones plugged into the front panel, mute the speakers just like they're supposed to. Congratulations, Antec.

5 -- I mated the P180 with an Antec TruePower II 550. There are silicon-rubber fittings all the way around the sides of the PSU container that effectively disconnect the PSU from the case sonically. I left it mounted in that and didn't even affix any screws to it through the rear of the case for fear of making PSU noise transfer to the case. It works beautifully, and the mounts is mechanically very solid.

6 -- I love the blue LEDs on the front panel for power and IDE activity -- very modernistic and attractive compared to the now-old-fashinoned green and amber ones. The only lights I used inside the case are the blue LEDs on the CPU fan, and that soft blue glow is visible through the top vent, a nice touch aesthetically.

7 -- The case does not provide for sonic isolation of the optical drives. When they're on, they're by far the loudest part of the computer, but that could be because of noise that's emanating from the drive rather than transmitted to the case. I guess Antec didn't figure it was worthwhile to dampen noise occurring as infrequently as a whirring optical drive.

8 -- The sonic isolation of the hard drives is extremely effective. The soft rubber grommets are about 4mm thick between the drive and the cage and about 2-3mm thick between the screw head and the cage. When installed properly, the drives are so isolated from the cage that they actually move a little in their soft fittings. NO transmitted noise here.

9 -- The sliding doors between the upper and lower compartments work well. They open up while you're running power and data cables between the compartments and then slide closed to an aperture just large enough for the cables to fit through. It means that very little heat from the HDs and the PSU gets into the upper compartment. The exhaust from and around the PSU is warm. The exhaust from the upper compartment is not. I used a digital thermometer to measure the ambient air around the case. The differential between the inlet air and the top-panel exhaust is 2°C. The differential between the inlet air and the exhaust around the PSU is 5-6°C, and I think this shows how effective the thermal isolation of the lower compartment is.


Antec built what they call their "case of the century" to be easy to build, to be attractive, to provide efficient cooling, and to be quiet. They succeeded admirably on all accounts. The only faults I can find with it are the lack of a removable tray and not using all-aluminum construction (which added 5 Kg of unnecessary weight). Why Antec decided to make the inside of the case from steel is a mystery. At any rate, these two "cons" are offsets by the dozens of outstanding features. This is not the best case I can imagine, but it's the best case you can get. Fortunately it's not the most expensive.

Ron
 

milleron

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Originally posted by: dodecahedron
Re the steel vs. aluminum:
you might want to head over to SPCR and read what they have to say about it.
SPCR and Aluminum Anti-Bias?
and plenty of other topics that discuss this issue.
here's a couple of P180 topics:
http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=18160
http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=22725

Ahhhh . . . so there's most definitely method to their madness. The authorities at SPCR seem certain that all-aluminum construction would make the case louder. To me, the main objective in building this PC was silence, so the extra 5Kg of weight in return for a nonresonating case is an extremely satisfactory tradeoff.

Thanks for the great references. I spent a fair amount of time on SPCR before choosing my components, but I'd not run across this topic before.

I guess the only problem I can find then is the lack of a removable tray, and that comes in handy approximately once or twice, for about 20 minutes, during the life of a PC. Therefore, in reviewing my opinion, I guess I can't find any faults at all with the P180.

Ron
 

MJGunn

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Are the two front air inlets that are covered by the dust filters the only way for air to get into the case? I'm looking for a case that can really keep the dust out (I live with 2 smokers).
 

Admiral Ackbar

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I too just received my P180 from BLT. Ordered Tuesday, had it Thursday; nice folks there.

I agree with most everything Milleron said about the P180. I love it. Although it is a bit bigger than I had imagined; but its so well designed that I don't mind. The only thing that bothered me was how the front door doesn't really shut all that solidly. Did you notice that milleron?

Cheers,
 

mooncancook

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Originally posted by: MJGunn
Are the two front air inlets that are covered by the dust filters the only way for air to get into the case? I'm looking for a case that can really keep the dust out (I live with 2 smokers).

Yes, unless you turn the top exhaust fan into an intake fan. I think this case should keep dust out very well. You might want to seal the top exhaust if you don't use it.

 

milleron

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No, I didn't until you mentioned it. I guess it has just a little magnetic latch and nothing that actually snaps like myAntec 1080. However, it doesn't rattle or transmit any noise, so the way it closes is actually fine with me. I did elect to install a front fan, and the front vents, being wide open, do transmit some of the little noise the interior fans do make. Closing the door seems to stop that small amount of noise very nicely. As with the rest of this case, I'm hard pressed to find any fault with any part of it.

Someone in this or another forum had speculated that closing the door would cause air to make a 90° turn which would result in "turbulence" and noise. Not true. The turbulent flow is so low in volume that no noise results

The size didn't surprise me. When you stack an ATX motherboard either under or over a standard PSU, this is pretty much the height you're going to get.

Ron
 

milleron

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Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: MJGunn
Are the two front air inlets that are covered by the dust filters the only way for air to get into the case? I'm looking for a case that can really keep the dust out (I live with 2 smokers).

Yes, unless you turn the top exhaust fan into an intake fan. I think this case should keep dust out very well. You might want to seal the top exhaust if you don't use it.

Sorry, but that's not true. There are two other sources of ingress, one minor and one major.
Minor: Air can get in along the side of the optical drives where the rail "handles" are grasped at the front of the case. and through openings behind the plastic bezels in unoccupied 5.25" bays. This is true to some degree in any case.
Major: There's an entire duct system to direct outside air at the video card, however, this would be very easy to either (a) filter, (b) block off entirely, or (c) turn into an exhaust port by mounting an 80mm fan in it backwards.

Ron
 
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