Antec PSU on sale at CompUSA

postmortemIA

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Antec TruePower Trio 650 Watt Internal Power Supply Unit
$79.99

Antec TruePower Trio 550 Watt ATX Internal Power Supply Unit
$69.99

Antec EarthWatts 380 Watt ATX Internal Power Supply Unit
$34.99

Antec EarthWatts 500 Watt ATX Internal Power Supply Unit
$49.99

Antec TruePower Quattro 850 Watt ATX Power Supply Unit
$129.99

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PC911mickster

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FYI...I had to RMA one of the EarthWatt 500 units when it died 4 months after purchase.
While the RMA process was easy and I did get the replacement unit in a reasonable time, the fact that the unit died so quickly will preclude me from buying any more of the EarthWatt line.
Antec is not what it used to be
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: PC911mickster
FYI...I had to RMA one of the EarthWatt 500 units when it died 4 months after purchase.
While the RMA process was easy and I did get the replacement unit in a reasonable time, the fact that the unit died so quickly will preclude me from buying any more of the EarthWatt line.
Antec is not what it used to be

Earthwatts is Seasonic made. you probably just got unlucky.
 

Trombe

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Amazing price for the TPQ-850. Too bad it's already sold out for delivery, and the closest B&M is well over 100 miles from me now
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Trombe
Amazing price for the TPQ-850. Too bad it's already sold out for delivery, and the closest B&M is well over 100 miles from me now

I just stopped by the local CSUA to look for DVI cables and saw that. Mine has about 3 in stock and they are half regular price. Anyone have a review for these and how they handle the 8800s and SLI?
 

buzzsaw13

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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: Trombe
Amazing price for the TPQ-850. Too bad it's already sold out for delivery, and the closest B&M is well over 100 miles from me now

I just stopped by the local CSUA to look for DVI cables and saw that. Mine has about 3 in stock and they are half regular price. Anyone have a review for these and how they handle the 8800s and SLI?

Johnny Guru gave it a pretty good review and should be able to handle 8800s in SLI no prob
 

QuixoticOne

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Thanks, in for a 650 and 850.
Overkill both according to actual power usage figures I've heard,
but now I don't have to worry if I add a water pump and more fans and
power for external drives etc.

 

Mucker

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Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Originally posted by: RallyMaster
That TP3 550W sure looks tasty...

Didn't rate well with jonnyguru, I'd say the Earthwatts would be a better deal

http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=12

Trio > Earthwatts (the Earthwatts has relatively weak 12v)

I believe JonnyG was a bit harsh on the 650 Trio (but I leave the blame to Antec, not Jonny, read below). The psu passed the 650 watt cold load (the way a computer is normally operated). The hot load failed but the psu was still going strong at 600+ continuous.

My belief is that if Antec would have labled the psu a 620 watter instead of a 650, JonnyG would have only tested it to 620watts and it would have gotten a glorious review. IMO, Antec got a little over ambitious with its' rating, and that's too bad because the psu is very good. Corsair nailed it when they under-rated their very capable HX line (520 and 620). IT'S ALL ABOUT PROPER RATING/LABELING. I think people need to know the Trios are very capable and reliable psu's with very beefy 12v lines. At these prices, they are definitely a very good value.

If your needs are nearing 650 continuous, you'd be smart to look for a higher rated psu anyway (beefy 12v lines).

The voltage regulation and efficiency on the Trios are top notch as would be expected from a Seasonic built unit.

The 850 is a whole other story (Enhance had a hand in this monster....top notch!)
 

QuixoticOne

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Actually we all probably need much LESS powerful of a PSU than we
have been led to believe check these out:
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1452/
http://www.extreme.outervision.../psucalculatorlite.jsp

Looks like you can pretty much have a fully loaded fairly high end computer
and still PRACTICALLY use less than 500W/550W, though you could certainly use
more if you had more than a few disk drives (like 6+), and maybe true
dual processors in a pair of SMP Opterons / Xeons or whatever.


I've been using Antec PSUs for years, ever since the Athlon 64 and 754 was the
'best new thing', so I've built two major systems with them and am working
on a third.

I believe I've had one Antec die on me, probably a TP II-480, though I didn't
take time to diagnose it after it apparently failed since I was on the verge
of rebuilding that PC with a Trio-650 at the time due to an GPU upgrade and
finding a seemingly good deal on the 650. So after rebuilding it I no longer
had ability to test it and I certainly didn't want to risk my new dual core
computer and 8800GTX on a "possibly bad" PSU test.

A friend of mine had his Antec die on him too, it was whatever the stock one
is with an Antec Sonata II case, something in the SP-450 or TP-450 range I think.

I'm a little shocked actually that both my experience, my friends experience, and
the way the reviewer above (JohnnyGuru on the Trio-650) experienced failure
with the Antec PSUs was abrubt and unrecoverable DEADNESS associated with
worrisome bang/pops and either blown fuses or blown up power components.

WTF? These things are SUPPOSED to be relatively high end well reputed PSUs.
Of COURSE you have a fuse in there just to protect from the case where
lightning hits or you spill soda into the PSU or whatever. But that to me isn't
an acceptable definition and implementation of OCP/Over Current Protection.

IMHO my expectation was that any relatively decent PSU should SENSE the
over-current or any over-temperature condition and SOFT-POWER-OFF
WITHOUT blowing a fuse (i.e. faster than the fuse would blow, AND at a lower
over-current or over-temperature level than would blow the fuse).

That way when you try to turn the PC back on, it'll either WORK, or you'll be able
to start unplugging peripherals to find out what shorted out and needs
replacing!

The way it seems is that the FIRST peripheral thing that fails shorted on your system
even a lowly 40mm fan or an old CD-ROM drive or hard disc or LED or anything
is not only going to be dead itself, BUT it'll take the Antec PSU out with it, BOOM,
needs warranty (if you're lucky!) or non-warranty repair because there truly
ARE no user servicable parts without voiding the warranty, not even an externally
changable FUSE like most things have. Where the hell did user-changable fuses
go??? If that's your main means of protection and it's going to pop (supposedly)
the first little fan that shorts out on your motherboard, shouldn't you be able to
replace the fuse??? [or have a design so that it'll soft-off BEFORE the fuse
pops so only MAJOR surges or whatever can blow the fuse itself!].

Also JohnnyGuru's test indicated that they bare-face LIED about the Trio-650 being
a three rail product. There seems to be only ONE 12V, rail, period, and that seems
to blow up BEFORE the rated current capacity of the PSU.

As for hot-testing -- Look at the temperatures in his 'hot box' tests, they're NOT
that hot! I often get interior CASE temperatures of around 39C according to my
thermal monitors, not great, but not horrible, probably with a far better than
average case, and ambient room temperatures that are cooler than many have.

So if the thing CAN'T put out full rated 650W without BLOWING UP even at
interior case air temperatures of like 40C, it's really got a serious problem and isn't
living up to the advertised capacity in the real world. And it might be more forgivable
that it puts out SOMEWHAT less than rated capacity if it failed GRACEFULLY without
BLOWING UP needing repair!

Even under warranty you pay shipping to send the PSU in for repair, and then you
have to live without it for weeks before you get it back fixed if you're lucky enough
to be under warranty when it blows (when the first HDD that fails shorted on you!).
So to me it's pretty unacceptable.

Now the QUATRO-850 review seemed decent enough, and at least JG's review seemed
to indicate that there might be some actually "different" real rails (truth in
advertising this time!), AND that it seemed to be capable of OCPing and surviving
the experience without blowing up or needing factory service. So that's nice,
but the Trio-650 should've been the same.

Antec's lost reputation in my eyes for this; I just learned about the lies wrt. the
rails missing and not meeting specs on the Trio-650 tonight, so not much I can
do about returning / replacing the two I already have. The one in use has worked
OK for me, but now I don't expect it'll survive the first system short-circuit which
is a pity since it was supposed to be protected in those cases and to me protected
doesn't mean "won't work anymore without repair!".

I'll use the Trio650s and Quatro850 and I expect those will last a while, but
who knows if I'd invest in another Antec unless I saw a review that literally
verified every claim about its performance and quality of construction as well as
confirmed its fault tolerance.
 

yuppiejr

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A couple of notes on the Trio 650's behavior at full load...

a) the PSU did not "blow-up" during the hot box/text 6 phase of Jonny's eval, the internal fuse went pop-flash to protect the rest of the PSU and system. Admittedly, having a non user-replaceable fuse perform this function instead of just shutting down the PSU is klugey, but it 's not like the whole thing exploded in a shower of sparks due to some massive component failure. Other PSU's just handle this more gracefully by simply shutting down to self-protect.

b) The PSU handled a 647.5/42a 12v watt load in the hot box test 5 without any issue. As a previous poster said, I'd simply fault Antec for overstating the unit's capabilities and call this a good 600W - 620w PSU w/ a single 42-45 amp 12v rail and APFC rather than playing the marketing game with the "3 x 19a rails, 650 watt total output" they advertise.

Regarding the deal in question, I'd say the Earthwatts 500 the best bang for the buck at $50 and is more than enough PSU for most people, even those running some SLI rigs. The Quattro 850 for $129 is a freaking STEAL compared to it's normal MSRP and is also a heck of a lot of PSU for the money.

 

QuixoticOne

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Re: capacity -- the Antec Trio-550 I have here says the maximum combined
load for 12V1+12V2+12V3 = 42A, which the Trio-650 reviewed barely survived with
given intake temperatures of 32C (quite cool for case air IMHO).

The Antec Trio-650 I have here says the maximum combined 12V1+12V2+12V3 load
is 52A [624W], which neither of 2 out of 2 tested Trio-650's survived in real world test
situations. Since 12V load is by far the primary one for modern PCs, it's almost
pointless for them to try to distinguish between the Trio-550 and Trio-650 in the
sense that a brand new Trio-650 will just barely survive the rated load of a Trio-550 PSU.

I can only assume in even more realistic cases (40C case temperature, 2-3 year old unit
which has been running for much of that time) it'd fail with even less capacity since
apparently capacitor aging takes a significant capacity level away from PSUs [sourced
from the PSU calculator link in my previous post].

So yes, it's over-rated. A Trio-650 would be a very solidly performing
Trio-550 with the exception that it has no 'Trio' of rails AT ALL,
and NO useful OCP, it just dies when overloaded in the slightest and needs repair.
Which screws the end user since if some peripheral of theirs dies they'll see that
their PSU died, send it for repair, get a fixed PSU back, they'll start to go about
testing the rest of their computer system, the bad component that caused the original
short will still be shorted, the 2nd repaired PSU will die, and the user still may have
no idea what other components are bad in their computer. There's just no
way of testing that out when using even these upper-range Antec PSUs
(except maybe the 850 which MAY have useful OCP) -- wholly unacceptable!
You'd have to "learn your lesson" after the 1st or 2nd RMAed / repaired ANTEC
and buy another vendor's PSU with working resettable OCP so you can actually find
which little FAN to replace! This is just why ANTEC's reputation has gone from
stellar to cr*p in many people's eyes over the past 5 years AFAICT.


Re: "blow up" well I was basically quoting the reviewer himself who used the word
'exploding' instead, and also said "there was a loud pop, a flash of white light and the
second PSU was dead.".


"But hopefully Antec can fix the problem of the PSU exploding in favor of just tripping so next time around I can give it a higher score."
The Trio could've hit it off big time in the Value department (weight of 30%) if it had survived test 6, the one with the maxed out 12V rail. $120 is an awesome price for an efficient 650W with APFC. But there's no value in having one pop on you if you load it up too much.

This time around, the PSU failed test 6 after having only run for 5 minutes. And the PSU didn't just shut down like the Thermaltake 750W did. There was a pop and a flash and the PSU was dead. I opened up the unit, probed around and found that the fuse had blown. Normally, I would have just replaced the fuse, but Antec had soldered the fuse to the fuse holder. I could have desoldered everything, but I decided that I'd give an RMA a try.

After I received the replacement PSU, I went through all of the testing for a second time. Once again, only 5 minutes into test 6, there was a loud pop, a flash of white light and the second PSU was dead.

Now I'm an electronics engineer, and I'm well aware that it COULD have been just the fuse
blowing that caused the pop/flash, but J.G. didn't himself attempt to repair of fully
diagnose it to determine if it was JUST a blown fuse or if something else blew also / instead
on his first blown PSU. He didn't define at all what he thought the failure mode of the
second blown Trio-650 was either, so I wasn't going to 'assume' it was one thing or another.

End result: PSU is *dead*, pay UPS, pay ANTEC repair department, or get out the
soldering iron and diagnostic tools, void your warranty, go buy parts to fix it yourself.

So from that aspect it doesn't matter if 'exploding' meant the fuse or anything/everything else
in the box; it'll probably cost you more in time / expense / trouble to have it repaired
(even if only just replacing the fuse) -- even under warranty -- than it might've cost you to purchase.

It's especially unfortunate that they lied about the three 12V rails yet all the wires are
all 'thin' wires connected to a single rail that's split off to many connectors. If they'd
just brought some nice thick 12V wire out of the PSU and split it from an external terminal point
at least the technically inclined user COULD insert their own external 40A circuit breaker or
fuse in series with the rail so it'd actually be FIXABLE when (not if) it blows, but at it is you'd
have to have like 9 different breakers/fuses and cut every single 12V wire coming out of the
PSU to do that.

I'd say it's worse than 'kludgy' to have a non-replacable fuse and ZERO OCP despite
your marketing claims; it's a blunder and a lie/scam. It's downright fraud to have one
rail instead of three when three is the main marketing claim for your product.
Makes me wonder if there'll be a class-action brewing. What happened to companies
that CARE about their reputation and QUALITY of product? By ANTEC's low standard
EVERYTHING has OCP because, well, if it shorts out bad enough your
HOUSE FUSE will blow, actually that'd be better, at least I can RESET my house breaker!
Try again, ANTEC.

If people wanted junk they'd buy the $19 no-name no-manual no-certification PSUs.
If they pay a premium they ought to at least get what the product manual describes
that works in the real world. I don't expect to have to liquid-cool my PSU so it'll actually
deliver rated output in a case..


Originally posted by: yuppiejr
A couple of notes on the Trio 650's behavior at full load...

a) the PSU did not "blow-up" during the hot box/text 6 phase of Jonny's eval, the internal fuse went pop-flash to protect the rest of the PSU and system. Admittedly, having a non user-replaceable fuse perform this function instead of just shutting down the PSU is klugey, but it 's not like the whole thing exploded in a shower of sparks due to some massive component failure. Other PSU's just handle this more gracefully by simply shutting down to self-protect.

b) The PSU handled a 647.5/42a 12v watt load in the hot box test 5 without any issue. As a previous poster said, I'd simply fault Antec for overstating the unit's capabilities and call this a good 600W - 620w PSU w/ a single 42-45 amp 12v rail and APFC rather than playing the marketing game with the "3 x 19a rails, 650 watt total output" they advertise.

Regarding the deal in question, I'd say the Earthwatts 500 the best bang for the buck at $50 and is more than enough PSU for most people, even those running some SLI rigs. The Quattro 850 for $129 is a freaking STEAL compared to it's normal MSRP and is also a heck of a lot of PSU for the money.

 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
I believe I've had one Antec die on me, probably a TP II-480, though I didn't
take time to diagnose it after it apparently failed since I was on the verge
of rebuilding that PC with a Trio-650 at the time due to an GPU upgrade and
finding a seemingly good deal on the 650. So after rebuilding it I no longer
had ability to test it and I certainly didn't want to risk my new dual core
computer and 8800GTX on a "possibly bad" PSU test.

A friend of mine had his Antec die on him too, it was whatever the stock one
is with an Antec Sonata II case, something in the SP-450 or TP-450 range I think.

I'm a little shocked actually that both my experience, my friends experience, and
the way the reviewer above (JohnnyGuru on the Trio-650) experienced failure
with the Antec PSUs was abrubt and unrecoverable DEADNESS associated with
worrisome bang/pops and either blown fuses or blown up power components.
Actually the Truepower series has been known to be poor for a long time now due to using crappy Fuhjyyu capacitors and should not be used to measure the rest of Antec's PSUs as they do produce some decent ones.
 

Zap

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Antec EarthWatts 380 Watt ATX Internal Power Supply Unit
http://www.antec.com/specs/EA380_spe.html
17A/15A
80mm fan
CUSA $34.99
NE $50 (normally $60)
save $15

Antec EarthWatts 500 Watt ATX Internal Power Supply Unit
http://www.antec.com/specs/EA500_spe.html
Jonnyguru review
17A/17A
80mm fan
CUSA $49.99
NE $80 (normally $90)
save $30

Antec TruePower Trio 550 Watt ATX Internal Power Supply Unit
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=23550
18A/18A/18A
120mm fan
CUSA $69.99
NE $85 (normally $100)
save $15

Antec TruePower Trio 650 Watt Internal Power Supply Unit
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=23650
Jonnyguru review
19A/19A/19A
120mm fan
CUSA $79.99
NE $90AR (normally $130)
save $10

Antec TruePower Quattro 850 Watt ATX Power Supply Unit
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=27850
Jonnyguru review
18A/18A/18A/18A
80mm fan
CUSA $129.99
NE $220 (normally $250)
save $90
 

lupohki

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If anyone wants an 850 and don't have access to a Compusa, I have one that I'm going to return that I can send to you for $130 plus shipping. I'll include the receipt dated last Sunday. Nothing wrong with it, I needed a p/s to test something and possibly keep it, but on second thought I'll never use that much power capacity.
 

joshmroest

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At least with the 500, I checked and Staples has it. You could price match it and get it for cheaper!
 

Johnbear007

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Originally posted by: PC911mickster
FYI...I had to RMA one of the EarthWatt 500 units when it died 4 months after purchase.
While the RMA process was easy and I did get the replacement unit in a reasonable time, the fact that the unit died so quickly will preclude me from buying any more of the EarthWatt line.
Antec is not what it used to be

Not to be unkind, but basing your purchasing decisions on your single bad experience, while emotionally understandable, is statistically innacurate and unrealistic. It makes much better sense to investigate the overall fail rate. Even products from the best product lines fail sometimes.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: lupohki
If anyone wants an 850 and don't have access to a Compusa, I have one that I'm going to return that I can send to you for $130 plus shipping.

YHPM
 

lupi

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A couple hours left on this sale and I noticed that my local store was now listed as in stock for pickup online ordering.
 

lupi

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Well scratch that. CrapUSA seems to do their ordering for in store by not charging till you get to the store, so something on sale that ends today will not be purchased at the ordered price when you pick it up on Sunday. :|
 
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