Anthony Weiner's wiener

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nageov3t

Lifer
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Who controls the redistricting process? I thought I'd read that the party that controls Congress has that 'burden'.

I believe it's tied into the Census too so the time is nigh.

Don't know, just askin'.
the census determines how many seats each state gets. depending on the state, I believe the process of drawing the specific lines is determined either by the governor or state legislature.

in NY, it's the state legislature, which is divided between republicans (control the senate) and democrats (control the house) I believe (that could be reversed)

Whoís in Charge of Redistricting?
The legislature. Since the 1980ís, a Joint Legislative Task Force on Demographic Research and Reapportionment has had responsibility for drawing congressional and state legislative districts. The senate majority leader and speaker of the house must each appoint one legislator and one private citizen and the minority leaders of both houses must appoint one member of the legislature to form a six-member body. The legislators appointed by the house and senate leaders serve as co-chairs on the task force. The governor has veto power over both plans.​

http://archive.fairvote.org/redistricting/reports/remanual/ny.htm
 

boomerang

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Could you please avoid the term 'package' when talking about Wenier, thanks
Man, I've been trying to throw in double entendres wherever I could. I thought it was all for naught...

A gold star for you. :awe:

2012 - Weiner for President, Eric Holder for VP.

 
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boomerang

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the census determines how many seats each state gets. depending on the state, I believe the process of drawing the specific lines is determined either by the governor or state legislature.

in NY, it's the state legislature, which is divided between republicans (control the senate) and democrats (control the house) I believe (that could be reversed)



http://archive.fairvote.org/redistricting/reports/remanual/ny.htm
Thanks, I should have realized it would be dealt with on a state level. Doesn't make sense to be done on the federal level.
 
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Looks like Weiner may be stepping down.
Damn...it was a good run while it lasted and I'll always remember him as having remarkable "staying power".

Personally I didn't have a problem with his tweets and sexting...but he crossed the line with all the bold face lies imo.
 

Craig234

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The country is harmed by this. The primary fault lies with Rep. Weiner for lying about the issue. Secondary fault lies with those who have exaggerated the issue to pressure his resignation, including the media and the viewers who create the incentives for the media to do so.

Republicans are happy, with an obstacle to enacting their immoral policies gone. Many Democratic leaders are happy, with the political benefit of the scandal being removed.

In the meantime, Sen. Vitter (actual sex with prostitutes, lies), Rep. Buchanan (campaign finance lawbreaking, lies) remain in office.

Sen. Coburn - aiding Sen. Ensign in his coerced sex with a staffer illegal coverup - still in office.
 

Linflas

Lifer
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The country is harmed by this. The primary fault lies with Rep. Weiner for lying about the issue. Secondary fault lies with those who have exaggerated the issue to pressure his resignation, including the media and the viewers who create the incentives for the media to do so.

Republicans are happy, with an obstacle to enacting their immoral policies gone. Many Democratic leaders are happy, with the political benefit of the scandal being removed.

In the meantime, Sen. Vitter (actual sex with prostitutes, lies), Rep. Buchanan (campaign finance lawbreaking, lies) remain in office.

Sen. Coburn - aiding Sen. Ensign in his coerced sex with a staffer illegal coverup - still in office.

You conveniently forgot a couple:
Barney Frank - Hiring a male prostitute and that same prostitute running a prostitution service out of his Capitol Hill apartment.

Charlie Rangel - Corruption and tax evasion
 

shira

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You conveniently forgot a couple:
Barney Frank - Hiring a male prostitute and that same prostitute running a prostitution service out of his Capitol Hill apartment.

Frank's situation really isn't comparable to the other recent scandals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank#Career

Frank housed Gobie and hired him with personal funds as an aide, housekeeper and driver and paid for his attorney and court-ordered psychiatrist. In 1987 Frank kicked Gobie out after he was advised by his landlord that Gobie kept escorting despite the support and was doing so in the residence. Later that year Gobie's friends convinced him he had a gay male version of Mayflower Madam, a TV movie they had been watching. In 1989 Gobie tried to initiate a bidding war for the story between WUSA-TV (Channel 9), the Washington Times, and The Washington Post. He then gave the story to The Washington Times for nothing, in hopes of getting a book contract. Amid calls for an investigation Frank asked the House Ethics Committee to investigate his relationship "in order to insure that the public record is clear." The Committee found no evidence that Frank had known of or been involved in the alleged illegal activity and dismissed all of Gobie's more scandalous claims; they recommended a reprimand for Frank using his congressional office to fix 33 of Gobie's parking tickets and for misstatements of fact in a memorandum relating to Gobie's criminal probation record.
 

Linflas

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Frank's situation really isn't comparable to the other recent scandals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank#Career

Funny you left out the sentence that preceded your quoted text from wiki:
That year he hired Steve Gobie for sex, a male prostitute, and they became friends more than sexual partners.

Other than the sex of the prostitute that is different from Vitter how? And don't say wife because according to both Vitters the wife knew about it at least a year before it became public knowledge.
 
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cubby1223

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The country is harmed by this. The primary fault lies with Rep. Weiner for lying about the issue. Secondary fault lies with those who have exaggerated the issue to pressure his resignation, including the media and the viewers who create the incentives for the media to do so.

He should have thought about harming the country while flashing his wiener across the internet.

For fuck's sake, *if* Weiner still has 56% approval rating as some in this thread still want to believe, then have faith in the next election being another progressive god winning for you to drool all over.

Don't tell me you fear Pat Buchanan will falsify his residency & illegally obtain campaign donations & have gay sex with Rush Limbaugh, and then win New York's 9th district on a platform of killing sick people & killing women & starving our children, do you?
 
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senseamp

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Bummer, he should have stayed put. He didn't break any laws or House rules. He was forced out over his personal life. That is just a horrible precedent. Our private life is now fair game for employers even if it has nothing to do with our jobs.
 

Craig234

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You conveniently forgot a couple:
Barney Frank - Hiring a male prostitute and that same prostitute running a prostitution service out of his Capitol Hill apartment.

The Wiki entry speaks for itself (bolding added):

In 1985 Frank was still closeted. That year he hired Steve Gobie for sex, a male prostitute, and they became friends more than sexual partners.[14] Frank housed Gobie and hired him with personal funds as an aide, housekeeper and driver and paid for his attorney and court-ordered psychiatrist.[14] In 1987 Frank kicked Gobie out after he was advised by his landlord that Gobie kept escorting despite the support and was doing so in the residence.[14][15] Later that year Gobie's friends convinced him he had a gay male version of Mayflower Madam, a TV movie they had been watching.[14] In 1989 Gobie tried to initiate a bidding war for the story between WUSA-TV (Channel 9), the Washington Times, and The Washington Post.[14] He then gave the story to The Washington Times for nothing, in hopes of getting a book contract.[15] Amid calls for an investigation Frank asked the House Ethics Committee to investigate his relationship "in order to insure that the public record is clear."[16] The Committee found no evidence that Frank had known of or been involved in the alleged illegal activity and dismissed all of Gobie's more scandalous claims; they recommended a reprimand for Frank using his congressional office to fix 33 of Gobie's parking tickets and for misstatements of fact in a memorandum relating to Gobie's criminal probation record.[17] The House voted 408–18 to reprimand Frank.[18][19] The attempts to censure and expel Frank were led by Republican Larry Craig, whom Frank later criticized for hypocrisy[20] after Craig's own arrest in 2007 for lewd conduct while soliciting gay sex in an airport bathroom.

Charlie Rangel - Corruption and tax evasion

As for Rangel, I think he did things that were wrong. It is hard to say that he belongs in office more than Weiner on the basis of their actions.

Some of the charges against him seem to be unjustified, some gray areas, and some financial wrongdoing.
 

werepossum

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Bummer, he should have stayed put. He didn't break any laws or House rules. He was forced out over his personal life. That is just a horrible precedent. Our private life is now fair game for employers even if it has nothing to do with our jobs.
Not quite accurate. He was using his office to make these calls and emails, at times when he should have been doing his job. And just as with Weiner's Democrat colleagues, your private life is already fair game for your employer when it becomes an embarrassment to your employer.

EDIT: As for Vitter, it's amazing to me that anyone can criticize Vitter for frequenting a prostitute while supporting Frank for doing the same, plus moving him in and facilitating his prostitution using his power as a Congressman.
 
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senseamp

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The sad thing is that people are going to believe that the ethical level of the House is going to go up with this resignation. This is same House that is trying its best to crash the economy for the 2012 election, regardless of how many people it's going to make unemployed or destitute.
 

senseamp

Lifer
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Not quite accurate. He was using his office to make these calls and emails, at times when he should have been doing his job. And just as with Weiner's Democrat colleagues, your private life is already fair game for your employer when it becomes an embarrassment to your employer.

EDIT: As for Vitter, it's amazing to me that anyone can criticize Vitter for frequenting a prostitute while supporting Frank for doing the same, plus moving him in and facilitating his prostitution using his power as a Congressman.

That is not against House rules.
People make and receive personal calls at work, and they check personal emails.
 

shira

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Funny you left out the sentence that preceded your quoted text from wiki:


Other than the sex of the prostitute that is different from Vitter how? And don't say wife because according to both Vitters the wife knew about it at least a year before it became public knowledge.

Except that during his 2004 Senatorial compaign, Vitter denied allegations that he had had an affair with a prostitute. He lied.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Vitter#2004_election

During the campaign, Vitter was accused by a member of the Louisiana Republican State Central Committee of having had a lengthy affair with a prostitute in New Orleans. Vitter responded that the allegation was "absolutely and completely untrue" and that it was "just crass Louisiana politics.

That's why Weiner is out - because he LIED about his sexual pecadillos, not directly because of his sexual pecadillos.

Edit: Oh, and let's not forget that Vitter is a hypocrite:

As background, several news outlets reported that in May 1999, Vitter replaced Congressman Bob Livingston after Livingston resigned due to an adultery scandal. Vitter said about Livingston's decision to resign, "It's obviously a tremendous loss for the state. I think Livingston's stepping down makes a very powerful argument that Clinton should resign as well and move beyond this mess", referring to Bill Clinton's Monica Lewinsky scandal.
 
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