Anti-Anchor Baby Law

[Carmen813]

The sad part of this whole story is the fact that the illegal immigrant lovers here cannot see how these illegals are exploiting our system and they don't have a problem with that. Yet when legal means are used to try and fix the problem, they cry "racism"!!!!

Because illegals continue to bend our system to suit them, we need to make changes to fix the problem.

How is it the US citizens cannot get free diapers, forumla, car seats without going through tons of paperwork to prove they are low income earners yet illegals can get this easily by simply claiming they are here illegally?

For me, it's not a matter of "loving" illegal immigrants. My problem is that this is not a legal (read: Constitutional) way to fix the problem. I'm all for addressing illegal immigration, however I would prefer if we stopped with the political theater (which is entertaining for sure) and instead focused on some real solutions.

Fact is, most of these laws are being created to target a specific population. They bear striking resemblance to anti-immigrant laws that were created in the past that targeted Italians or Irish Americans. They are also all reactionary laws. Most of this kerfuffle stems from the murder of an AZ rancher that was suspected of being carried out by a person in the country illegally. Mind you, as far as I know there is no proof, but that's the suspicion. I'm sorry, but to me all of these actions and reactions are beginning to paint a picture (and an ugly one at that).

The problems you discussed with regards to free diapers is a problem with the ways the states have implemented welfare programs. By all means, petition your state legislature to fix those problems.

For the illegal immigrants here, I see no practical and economically feasible way to remove them. We're talking about something like 12 million people. Even if we did this, it wouldn't fix the problem long-term anyway. All it would do would make a certain political base feel "good" without actually fixing the cause of the damn problem.

I would prefer that they be required to pay a fine and take a citizenship course, along with perhaps some other requirements. If the concern is about giving Democrats a bunch of new voters, perhaps instead of making them citizens, we should make them legal aliens. If they have committed a felony, I'm in favor of deporting them. Is this a good solution? No, but at least we get these people on the books and can begin taxing them.

I'd also like some kind of permanent border solution. I would prefer something like the national guard being responsible for defending those borders, and increased electronic surveillance. If we can afford to spend $150 billion a year in Iraq, than perhaps we can scrounge up the cash to do something about our own damn borders.

 

[nageov3t]

Babies born to legal immigrants aren't deported to Mexico.

right, but that's not what's being discussed here is it?

I thought the idea behind anchor babies was that immigrants would cross the border illegally, pop out their kid in the US, and get deported back to Mexico but voila, their kid has a magic free pass back to the United States as an adult because of their parents illegal actions.

 

[nick1985]

Babies born to legal immigrants aren't deported to Mexico.

no shit....

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Woah, almost caught me there with your red herring. Here I thought we were talking about American citizens being expelled from the country without any legitimate Constitutional reason.

Not a red herring, simply an observation about how some are so fearful of the federal government that this is such a "slippery slope" yet they would trust this same government with their health care. I find it interesting.

By the way, I don't think I saw anyone talking about deporting anyone OTHER than illegal immigrants, which are not US citizens.

 

[her209]

right, but that's not what's being discussed here is it?

I thought the idea behind anchor babies was that immigrants would cross the border illegally, pop out their kid in the US, and get deported back to Mexico but voila, their kid has a magic free pass back to the United States as an adult because of their parents illegal actions.

See my original question asked to blanghorst.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So do people born in the US. How does someone claim "immigrant" status when they were born in the US? Where does said "immigrant" get deported to?

Ok, fine -- if someone is here legally and has a child, perhaps it should be given citizenship. I really don't have that big of a problem with that approach either.

 

[JSt0rm]

So could we make test tube baby super soldiers now and not have them be citizens? We could wage endless war not have a draft and spur on the economy.

 

[Double Trouble]

So do people born in the US. How does someone claim "immigrant" status when they were born in the US? Where does said "immigrant" get deported to?

Most other countries (at least all the ones I know of) have no problem doing this, why should it be different for the US? If the baby is born to Mexicans living illegally in the US, the baby should be a Mexican and deported with it's parents. The kid gets the legal nationality of the parents.

 

[Double Trouble]

I thought the idea behind anchor babies was that immigrants would cross the border illegally, pop out their kid in the US, and get deported back to Mexico but voila, their kid has a magic free pass back to the United States as an adult because of their parents illegal actions.

No, it's not just that. The anchor baby is a legal citizen, and as a citizen has the status to petition to have his / her family become legal residents (green cards and eventually citizenship) as well. So basically,the baby is here and a citizen, and gets used as an "anchor" in the US that the rest of the family can use to come here.

It's not just the anchor babies themselves that become citizens (that would be bad enough), it's the entire family that then comes with the anchor baby.

 

[Double Trouble]

No matter how much the problem of anchor babies irritates any rational person, the answer is not to change the constitution or make laws to try and bypass it. The answer is to close the damn border to begin with, then the law is just fine the way it is.

 

[DAGTA]

Are you insinuating that Mccain and Palin would have secured the border so Arizona wouldnt have had to do this?

Interesting.

Yeah, clearly McCain would have done that. He's the same guy that said Americans are too lazy to do the jobs illegals do, even for $50 / hr, and that's why we need them.

McCain, Palin, Obama... they're all lying assholes.

 

[nick1985]

Yeah, clearly McCain would have done that. He's the same guy that said Americans are too lazy to do the jobs illegals do, even for $50 / hr, and that's why we need them.

McCain, Palin, Obama... they're all lying assholes.

sarcasm

 

[CitizenKain]

Arizonians, too goddamn stupid to know what the Constitution is.

 

[her209]

Ok, fine -- if someone is here legally and has a child, perhaps it should be given citizenship. I really don't have that big of a problem with that approach either.

:thumbsup:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Arizonians, too goddamn stupid to know what the Constitution is.

Care to shed some light on this comment and provide specifics?

 

[dmcowen674]

Quote:
Originally Posted by charrison

But yes, illegals are largely doing the job US ciitizens dont want to do

That argument is such bull. With millions and millions of Americans out of work and cant find a job, I'd bet a lot of them would be more than willing to take their job right now

Well like the stock market I believe we are having a human correction due to deregulation by the Republicans.

We haven't had an amendment updated in a long time.

 

[child of wonder]

Don't agree with Arizona's first law about cops required to go after someone "suspicious" but I do support the recent law about not requiring multilingual services and this one.

 

[nick1985]

Quote:
Originally Posted by charrison

But yes, illegals are largely doing the job US ciitizens dont want to do



Well like the stock market I believe we are having a human correction due to deregulation by the Republicans.

We haven't had an amendment updated in a long time.

I thought I was on your ignore list

 

[DAGTA]

sarcasm

I was agreeing with you

 

[DAGTA]

Arizonians, too goddamn stupid to know what the Constitution is.

Er... do you?

 

[CallMeJoe]

Congress could pass legislation to clarify the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" clause of the 14th Amendment. There is legitimate debate over whether legally resident aliens meet that standard, much less illegals.

 

[nick1985]

I was agreeing with you

Guess my sarcasm meter is busted then.

 

[CanOWorms]

The Europeanization of America continues. If you are born in this country, you are American. Plain and simple. It is part of the foundation of this country. European-like beliefs on citizenship should be rejected by any modern society. There should be no further test for someone born here.

In addition, an American born to illegal immigrants should also have the right to be raised by those parents in America. No American should be quasi-deported.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

For me, it's not a matter of "loving" illegal immigrants. My problem is that this is not a legal (read: Constitutional) way to fix the problem.

I keep hearing this argument, but I'd like to see some specifics if you have them because I just don't understand which part of the Constitution would prohibit asking for ID when you've been stopped for another violation.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

In addition, an American born to illegal immigrants should also have the right to be raised by those parents in America. No American should be quasi-deported.

Are you saying that anchor babies aren't a problem then? Because if so, most would disagree.