Anti Boy Scouts....GRRRRRR.

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FettsBabe

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"personally i think if 2 guys want to merry then fine. no skin off my nose.


the goverment has always had double standards. thats the goverment for you. but since they do it does nto make it right. "

I agree so whole heartedly. But they can't tell us not to discriminate and then in the same sentence do it themselves. They are NOT PRIVATE like the BSA. They represent the people and people of all walks of life. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. One more reason why I think this is so stupid.

 

Adn4n

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But you are in fact saying then that since they gov't is doing it it's ok aren't you? Because if you're not, then why are you bringing it up?

In any case, we all get your point and no one is disagreeing with the private issue. Will you now read and try to understand ours?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: FettsBabe
"personally i think if 2 guys want to merry then fine. no skin off my nose.


the goverment has always had double standards. thats the goverment for you. but since they do it does nto make it right. "

I agree so whole heartedly. But they can't tell us not to discriminate and then in the same sentence do it themselves. They are NOT PRIVATE like the BSA. They represent the people and people of all walks of life. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. One more reason why I think this is so stupid.

shrug it is.

but just because the goverment does it does nto make it right. personally i think discrimantion is idiotic. it defeats what you are trying to accomplish (in most cases).

but i have no problem denying a private orginization goverment help if they want to discrimanate. just as i have no problem with a private orginzation discriminating.


anywya. off to bed for me. i have to get up in 4 hours LOL i hate mondays.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Adn4n
And I'm sure return missionary meetings here in Salt Lake City where I live are always held free of charge here at Marriot hotels for another reason besides the LDS church being the largest holder.
The "other reason" is that the Marriots are Mormons. The church doesn't own the hotel chain. Your logic is whacked. Plus, even if the church did own the hotel chain, churches don't get tax-exempt status on their outside (non-religious, for-profit) investments. So your whole tangent on this is BS stemming for ignorance.
 

FettsBabe

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Platypus,

To respond to you personally, I have several gay friends and love them dearly. David and Jamie are my buddies and they love each other sincerely.

I support gay marriage, insurance and common rights of married couples.

Do I think it is christian to discriminate...NO I DON'T. I don't look at gay, white, black, hispanic, etc. I love everyone which is why I would have done something for Howard. I would not have just turned him away. I would have found some organization that would be what he needed and that he would and would want to be a part of. That sets me apart from other people. I care about people. The Scouters I know would have done the same.

But it is the right of the BSA to add members as they wish since they are private. I am a supporter of Americans rights to free speech.

I don't like the KKK, but by God they have every right to exist if they do it peacefully and not hanging a black person in a yard. I know that is old school, but I wanted to clarify what I meant by peacefully.
 

FettsBabe

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If you are paying tax dollars to the gov. you are supporting their gay rights violations and laws.

The entity that says you can't do that is the biggest bigot themselves but yet they tell the BSA "don't do that." I don't even have 1 word for that I only have that they can STFU or be real.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Platypus,

To respond to you personally, I have several gay friends and love them dearly. David and Jamie are my buddies and they love each other sincerely.

I support gay marriage, insurance and common rights of married couples.

Do I think it is christian to discriminate...NO I DON'T. I don't look at gay, white, black, hispanic, etc. I love everyone which is why I would have done something for Howard. I would not have just turned him away. I would have found some organization that would be what he needed and that he would and would want to be a part of. That sets me apart from other people. I care about people. The Scouters I know would have done the same.

But it is the right of the BSA to add members as they wish since they are private. I am a supporter of Americans rights to free speech.

I don't like the KKK, but by God they have every right to exist if they do it peacefully and not hanging a black person in a yard. I know that is old school, but I wanted to clarify what I meant by peacefully.


With that said, if a gay scout was to accept Jesus isn't he forgiven of sin? I guess I don't see the BSA's reasoning. I understand since they're so-called private they can dscriminate all they want; I'm really just looking for the reason they give to justify that behavior.
 

MrPickins

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: MrPickins
What is so silly is the BSA doesn't care which "God" you worship, just that you worship one, yet their defense for being anti-gay is mostly based on Christian doctrine.

What about Hindus and Buddhists where homosexuality is not specifically antagonized? Can those kids join?

Hindus and Buddhists are welcomed, and the prohibition against gays in the BSA is a pre-emptive move against (what would otherwise be inevitable) destructive litigation.
Your post here shows you to be a confused individual, if you think that Hindus don't worship a "God," or that cultural prejudices against homosexuality are solely Christian.

It's somewhat difficult for me to read such posts that try to appear to be up in arms against discrimination, while at the same time are loaded with bigotry. Have you ever heard of live and let live?

You missed my point. I was mostly referring to the defensive arguments made by some participants in this thread which were open Christian rhetoric. If being gay is either ok, or at least not antagonized in the followers religion, wouldn't it thus be morally acceptable? (From what I have read, neither Buddhism nor Hinduism have any firm anti-homosexual doctrine)

I understand the BSA's stance on homosexuality:
"Boy Scouts of America believes that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the obligations in the Scout Oath and Scout Law to be morally straight and clean in thought, word, and deed. The conduct of youth members must be in compliance with the Scout Oath and Law, and membership in Boy Scouts of America is contingent upon the willingness to accept Scouting?s values and beliefs."

You say this is because gay scoutmasters will abuse the boys? Simply put, that is a load of shit. The whole gay==pedophile argument has been debunked too many times.

Before you accuse me again of being uninformed: I grew up LDS and, like most, spent my time in the scouts.
 

FettsBabe

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Playpus,

Yes, it does if they are saved, but a saved person that still commits "sin" in Gods eyes is no longer saved. I guess in the grand scheme of things it comes down to whether you believe in once saved always saved or if you believe you can stray and have to come back unto the arms of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Our organization does not believe in once saved always saved and that you have to follow God's law or you sin which you have to seek forgiveness for. If you lay down every night with the same man or woman (gay couple) then you would be on your knees (no pun intended) every night and morning. Thats funny...LOL, ok so I meant for it to be funny!!!!! LMAO.

 

mb

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Did I stumble on the AT Religion forum? What's with all the preaching?
 

FettsBabe

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Religious Emblems by the BSA

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African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
Armenian Apostolic Church of America (Western Prelacy)
Armenian Church of America (Eastern Diocese)
Baha'i
Baptist
Buddhist
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
Church of Christ, Scientist (Christian Scientist)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Churches of Christ
Community of Christ
(formerly the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Eastern Catholic
Eastern Orthodox
Episcopal
General Church of the New Jerusalem (The New Church)
Hindu
Islamic
Jewish
Lutheran
Meher Baba
Moravian
Polish National Catholic Church
Presbyterian Church in America
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
Protestant and Independent Christian Churches
(Available to any Christian denomination)
Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
Roman Catholic
The Salvation Army
Unitarian-Universalist
United Church of Christ
United Methodist
United Pentecostal Church International
Unity Churches
Zoroastrian
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Playpus,

Yes, it does if they are saved, but a saved person that still commits "sin" in Gods eyes is no longer saved. I guess in the grand scheme of things it comes down to whether you believe in once saved always saved or if you believe you can stray and have to come back unto the arms of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Our organization does not believe it once saved always saved and that you have to follow God's law or you sin which you have to seek forgiveness. If you lay down everynight with the same man or woman (gay couple) then you would be on your knees (no pun intended) every night and morning. Thats funny...LOL, ok so I meant for it to be funny!!!!! LMAO.

Accepting Jesus as your savior doesn't mean you stop sinning. To say that gay people shouldn't be let in the BSA because they can't stop sinning is stupid because even as a straight person I will never stop sinning until the day I die. Regardless, being gay isn't a sin. Butt-humping another dude falls into that category, but so does having sex with a person of the opposite sex you're not married to. I'm sure there's a lot of members of any of the various Scout organizations that has had sex before they were married.
 

FettsBabe

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I was drinking a glass of wine when I read that Fiddle and it went flying all over my keyboard!!!! LMFAO!!!!!! I can't stop laughing at the group discounts comment. Oh, they have to let straight people in or they lose that....remember that hunny!!!!!

Yes, but being morally straight is meaning to be morally straight. BSA does not believe in pre-marital sex. There is a difference in making everyday mistakes and choosing to do it repeatedly. People were stoned back in the day! Craziness!!!!



 

FettsBabe

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Fiddle, I have to go to bed. Its 217 am and I have to be at work at 830am at the lawfirm. I will check my thread tomorrow morning around 730am. Stay tuned. I have a great one for tomorrow. I will be back online again around 6:30pm after that. Be on here hunny.

No it wasn't hazeyedgirl it was someone else. She was friends with dennilfloss.
 

FiddleDD

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wombat woman! wasn't she a made up personna too?

Ok...nighters...look for you tomorrow... sweet dreams!
 

FiddleDD

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in my opinion, complaining about scouting is like complaining about apple pie or baseball. But I'm sure there are people out there allergic to apple pie, and people who can't stand baseball, but that doesn't make them terrible for the majority.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: FettsBabe
The Boy Scouts is such a great organization and teaches boys how to be men. It really pisses me off when people slam the BSA organization. They teach survival skills, life skills (personal management, railroading, CPR, etc), and many other valuable lessons such as respect for authority, respect of elders and others.

Everyone always says why does a kid need survival skills. If a child gets lost and they have been in Scouts I worry about them but not like I would if they hadn't been. The child that got lost the other month in NC had only been in Scouts 1 year and he survived with no clothes for over 3 days and the temp was dipping to 28 at night. He survived, he found the searchers, and he was only dehydrated.

Yes, they are restrictive as to who can be a member, but who cares? Its all about your personal beliefs. If you don't like it just shut up and don't put you child in it. Who really cares since you aren't going to be a member anyway.

I'm glad girls can now join the Boy Scouts (Venturing) to those that don't know.

I helped raise $16,000 for Camp Raven Knob last year (in one night might I add) and it was worth every minute I put into the fundraiser. Kids for years and years will enjoy the Campsite because of me and our Troop (942).

Wow, I feel better now that I got that off my chest!!!!

I was in the Boy Scouts so I would not actively encourage my kids to join. But I would definitely discourage my kids joining because I would not want them thinking that discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation or religious beliefs is acceptable. It isn't acceptable.

 

compuwiz1

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FiddleDD and FettsBabe,

Why did you two broads suddenly show up after years of absence? You've ground up and spit out your husbands, so now out looking for fresh meat? :roll: :Q

Attention Whores alert!

You two put my meat to sleep then, why would now be any different?

 

mobobuff

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I've never had an opinion either way on the Boy Scouts.

It sounds like teaching kids how to be adept mammals and know God at the same time.

I learned the first one on my own, and decided to not subscribe to the latter on my own as well.

Live and let live. I suppose they're doing good things.
 

QueBert

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Pen & Teller BSA segment

they discriminate, do get help from the goverment, and uhhh as far as I'm concerned the week I spent as a Boy Scout was boring. I mean learning to tie a knot wasn't exactly useful for me.
and something people aren't mentioning, while there is plenty of discrimination based off Religion and sexual preference. Non Whites are also included in the "no" category.

But I guess if your son learns how tie a knot, put up a tent and help an old lady across the street the whole discrimination thing doesn't really matter huh?
 
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