Anti Boy Scouts....GRRRRRR.

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
I agree with the statement about gay people wanting attention. It has always seemed odd to me that they seek extra attention, I wonder if that is part of their psychological makeup. If my sons were to walk around painting their faces in pride of the fact that they are NOT gay..I would find that very odd. I remember at church, when I was growing up the agony of a mother that had a son who professed to be gay...I don't think he was kicked out of scouts.

Holy Mother of God, sometimes you just wish some people weren't on your side of an arguement.

 

[OutHouse]

Eagle scout here.

I have never been to keen of the idea of women as scoutmasters. to me it is a boys club and not girls allowed. If a woman wants to be a troop leader go join the girl scouts and make pretty flower pots.

i have no issue with women in cub scouts. kids that young still need a mother figure around.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
I agree with the statement about Christian people wanting attention. It has always seemed odd to me that they seek extra attention, I wonder if that is part of their psychological makeup. If my sons were to walk around painting their faces in pride of the fact that they are Christian..I would find that very odd. I remember at school, when I was growing up the agony of a mother that had a son who professed to be Christian...I don't think he was kicked out of scouts.

fixed that up for ya

 

[PrinceofWands]

I did say funding in my third post, but I also mentioned access to government buildings like schools. If you read subsequent posts you'll see I mentioned access and treatment and such as well. It was merely an oversight in the earlier post, or rather a clarification and expansion thereof.

I think you put a slightly different spin on my actual argument, which is simply that individuals require government protection from organizations because organizations are inherently more powerful. The entire point of the subsequent posts was to ask what other scenario you see as providing that protection, with me assuming (apparently incorrectly) that you were arguing merely that government shouldn't be the agency of such protections.

By my previous posts here and in other threads it should be obvious that I'm for removing nearly all collective rights (corporations, organizations, etc) and turning to nearly total singular responsibility, however that isn't enough to protect individuals because you'll still have groups coordinating efforts and pooling resources even if they lack corporate protections under the law. I described it as any inferior/superior relationship which requires neutral regulation. I still say those situations will either result in chaos (as the the individuals battle it out themselves) or abuse (of the superior to the inferior) and therefore require a government body which regulates the strong on behalf of the weak.

While I'm all for the rights of groups/individuals to choose their own associations I'm also for a powerful body able to exert influence against them when there are transgressions by those who would choose to act in such a manner. Again, don't stop them from doing what they want, but force them to survive entirely on their own and offer no support for their actions. If you choose to act in an immoral or negative manner you lose your right to be supported. That's all I've asked for.

 

[FiddleDD]

wow people are being soooo serious on all of this...I was joking around.

Just like I was joking around the other night when I said people can start whatever group of scouts they would like, and go get group discounts.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
wow people are being soooo serious on all of this...I was joking around.

too late to backpeadal

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FiddleDD
I agree with the statement about gay people wanting attention. It has always seemed odd to me that they seek extra attention, I wonder if that is part of their psychological makeup. If my sons were to walk around painting their faces in pride of the fact that they are NOT gay..I would find that very odd. I remember at church, when I was growing up the agony of a mother that had a son who professed to be gay...I don't think he was kicked out of scouts.</end quote></div>

Holy Mother of God, sometimes you just wish some people weren't on your side of an arguement.

hahahah i thought that early in the thread.at least fettsbabe has some decent arguments though both are a little immature.

 

[FiddleDD]

I'm not trying to back pedal most who have read me over the years will tell you that.

 

[FiddleDD]

wagg...go sit back down, you seem to fly whichever way the wind is blowing at the moment.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
wagg...go sit back down, you seem to fly whichever way the wind is blowing at the moment.

hah i have been consestant.

i have said the boy scouts have a right to discrimanate. but if they are then they do not get any govermetn funding at all.


i did defend you on calling whatshisname a child mollester. I don't think you ment to say because he was gay that he mollest children. though i may be wrong.


BUT you are immature and blind to other arguments. you have a one track mind and can't look beyond your own little world.

 

[FiddleDD]

oh yes, older wiser wagg, I see what you are saying. (you might want to type your answers in a word document and copy and paste them, so you can use a spell check)

I haven't been aruging, this isn't my thread, I've been putting in smarty pants comments here and there like I always have.

The world takes many different types of people to make it go around, and being interested with a certain personality type doesn't make me immature, it makes me curious.

This is what I just found on a site that I found interesting:

Psycho-social explanations offer a variety of factors that could contribute to the development of a person's homosexuality. For example, a female dominated upbringing in a gay man's past, with an absence of a male role model. Others stress adherence or deviance from conformity to gender roles, and individual psychological makeup. While none of these factors alone completely answers the question 'what causes homosexuality?', they rule out some things. For example, lesbian and gay young people are not 'failed' heterosexuals. Also, homosexual partners are generally of the same age proving wrong the assumptions that young people are 'turned gay' by older people.

What is clear is that people's behaviour is influenced by their family environment, their experiences and their sense of themselves. Beliefs about sex are initially shaped by family values. Later on these beliefs may be shaped by pleasant and unpleasant experiences of sex and also shape their choice of activities and partners. Throughout their life a person's sense of who and what they are has a strong impact on their sexual development and experience.

 

[waggy]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FiddleDD
oh yes, older wiser wagg, I see what you are saying.

The world takes many different types of people to make it go around, and being interested with a certain personality type doesn't make me immature, it makes me curious.

This is what I just found on a site that I found interesting:

Psycho-social explanations offer a variety of factors that could contribute to the development of a person's homosexuality. For example, a female dominated upbringing in a gay man's past, with an absence of a male role model. Others stress adherence or deviance from conformity to gender roles, and individual psychological makeup. While none of these factors alone completely answers the question 'what causes homosexuality?', they rule out some things. For example, lesbian and gay young people are not 'failed' heterosexuals. Also, homosexual partners are generally of the same age proving wrong the assumptions that young people are 'turned gay' by older people.

What is clear is that people's behaviour is influenced by their family environment, their experiences and their sense of themselves. Beliefs about sex are initially shaped by family values. Later on these beliefs may be shaped by pleasant and unpleasant experiences of sex and also shape their choice of activities and partners. Throughout their life a person's sense of who and what they are has a strong impact on their sexual development and experience.
</end quote></div>

thats a diffrent topic then waht is discussed. one i am willing to debate. (that should be intersting actually).

not sure if being in afemale dominated house would do it. i grew up in one myself (4 sisters and father was always at work and mom stayed home). i am straight.

though my parents did think i was gay. me and my sister shared a closet (had no wal between the two) and there was some playgirl books in there. that my lovely sister blamed on me. i swear it was not until i had kids (and was married 5 years and with my wife for 8) did they believe me heh


and older? wiser? hahahahhaha ahem can i put that in my sig? glad someone said that even teasing me ..i thnk i loveyou now!

:heart:

 

[FiddleDD]

your mormon sister had playgirls? lol

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
your mormon sister had playgirls? lol

hah yeah. she did far worse then that.

i had many meetings with elders growing up heh.

 

[FiddleDD]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Citrix
Eagle scout here.

I have never been to keen of the idea of women as scoutmasters. to me it is a boys club and not girls allowed. If a woman wants to be a troop leader go join the girl scouts and make pretty flower pots.

i have no issue with women in cub scouts. kids that young still need a mother figure around.</end quote></div>

Interesting.

 

[TuxDave]

I'm anti-boy scouts mainly because when I was enrolled I had a miserable time. Fair nuff?

 

[FiddleDD]

Originally posted by: waggy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FiddleDD
your mormon sister had playgirls? lol</end quote></div>

hah yeah. she did far worse then that.

i had many meetings with elders growing up heh.

oh do tell...each and every sorrid detail

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: waggy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FiddleDD
your mormon sister had playgirls? lol</end quote></div>

hah yeah. she did far worse then that.

i had many meetings with elders growing up heh.</end quote></div>

oh do tell...each and every sorrid detail

hahah nothing bad. just a lot scripture reading and talking about how we are sopposed to live.

took like 6 months for the church to beleive me. my parents well mainly my mother was a diffrent situation.

 

[FiddleDD]

is that why you left that faith? how did your mom react when you left?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
is that why you left that faith? how did your mom react when you left?

well i really didnt leave the faith. i just left the church. my faith is still strong. just with the BS and all the story's of pedophilia in other church, curruption etc

i feel one can have a strong faith in God and Jesus without going to a building to get it.

my mom? well..her and my dad divorced and her new "friends" got her hooke don meth and other drugs so meh she has no room to complain.

 

[FiddleDD]

wow..I'm sorry your mom is on meth and other drugs. That's a very sad story! How old is she? What is your dad doing?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
wow..I'm sorry your mom is on meth and other drugs. That's a very sad story! How old is she? What is your dad doing?

Don't tell him. He's trying to hook up with your hot, meth-head mom.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
wow..I'm sorry your mom is on meth and other drugs. That's a very sad story! How old is she? What is your dad doing?

she is err 66 (i think). my dad is 63 and retired. the lazy bum spends all his day spending my inheritance and fishing.


sad? kinda.

 

[blurredvision]

Well, since I had a few hours here at work, I just got done reading this entire thread. Took two hours, and there is plenty to comment on, that's for sure. Let me say that I did not know this was such a big issue concerning the BSA and discrimination. I'm certainly not fluent in the politics and actions of the BSA, and I won't pretend to be. However, this thread was a train-wreck.

My thoughts:

• I agree with waggy on his arguement. FettsBabe, it's almost like you simply refused to sit and think about his posts for more than 2 seconds, and replied instinctively. Had you actually listened to what he was saying, this thread would be about 250 posts shorter.
• Fettsbabe, you wanted to compare BSA discriminating against gays to the government discriminating against gays. A fine thought, but unfortunately, only other person I can recall had the right thought on this. The government is a body by the people, for the people (or it's supposed to be, anyway). While you are completely correct in your concern that the government discriminates, you can't compare it to a private organization. It's apples and oranges, and you simply can't use that to make your point.
• Also to Fettsbabe, you seemed to not be able to understand waggy's thoughts that it was ok for a private organization to discriminate, but it wasn't ok for taxpayer dollars to help fund a discriminatory organization. He brought this across pretty clear from the beginning. If you were a homosexual in this country, and your tax dollars were paying for an organization that doesn't like you, how would you feel? You said multiple times you were for gay rights.....you also said it wasn't like you were sitting on the fence not knowing which way was coming and going.....I'm sorry, but it is. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
• FiddleDD, you added absolutely nothing to the meat of this thread, when the main discussion was happening. You remind me of my mom, who is 51 years old, but acts like she's 14 again, thinking she is funny.

Oh well, I can't think of much else. It was a pretty decent read until the posts starting coming in around the afternoon of 6/25, when Praxis1452, Vic, PrinceofWands, and others starting dueling to see who could throw out the most big words at each other while still trying to maintain some sense of intelligence.

Oh, and I figured I'd quote the only laugh I actually got out of this thread. It's truely sig-worthy, if you ask me:

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
FiddleDD and FettsBabe,

Why did you two broads suddenly show up after years of absence? You've ground up and spit out your husbands, so now out looking for fresh meat? :roll: :Q

Attention Whores alert!

You two put my meat to sleep then, why would now be any different?

 

[slag]

I'm pro boy scouts.

I was a scout up until life scout.

My son is a tiger cub.

I'm fine with them not allowing homosexuals in the organization. I feel its an unhealthy lifestyle and not something I want my young kids to be around or associated with. These are my beliefs, like them or not. Feel free to judge me or call me names it if makes you feel better.