Anti Boy Scouts....GRRRRRR.

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: TheVrolok
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Adn4n
I don't want even a small amount of my money to go to organizations that prohibits black people from joining, as much as I don't want a small amount of my money going to organizations that ban atheists and homosexuals. If a little bit of discrimination is ok with you then you can go fuck yourself.</end quote></div>

What about Megan's Law? Isn't that a little bit of discrimination? (BAM, food for thought! Threadjacked! P&N ->>>)</end quote></div>

It was only so long until child molestors were associated with this thread.</end quote></div>

lol, I was just ballbusting. Didn't really want to get on the topic.

yea, i know. but you needed to say that

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Who's openly discriminating? The policy of the military is "don't discuss it" I don't think sexual orientation is an appropriate coversation while you are on the battlefield. I do believe that strategic questions and discussions come into play at that moment so you don't get your ass blown away. </end quote></div>

Oh, right right, just kick them out when they are exposed as homosexual, until then they're valuable members of the military. My bad!</end quote></div>

Actually, the military policy is a lot different than the BSA policy (IIRC). The official military policy is:

Don't ask.
Don't Tell.
Don't Pursue.

The third part is the key. Damn near the only time anyone can get involuntarily kicked out of the military for being gay is if there is OVERWHELMING evidence (which is pretty much getting caught in the act by at least a dozen people).

The BSA follows a slightly different approach. While they will not conduct a hunt for gay members, any evidence of homosexual behavior is investigated.</end quote></div>

First time I've ever heard Don't Pursue attached to the end.

That detail is generally only known by those in the military. I know if was in the briefings I had. Part of the reason it exists is that there would be a lot of issues with people claiming a particular person was gay without any real proof. As it is now, there has to be overwhelming evidence before any investigation is started (meaning that in theory, nobody that is straight would ever be investigated).

 

[FettsBabe]

You said any sign of homosexual behavior is investigated.

In my opinion, in type of sexual behavior that is at meetings, camping, etc. should be investigated. Sex for teens is an epidemic and so is HIV, Herpes, Crabs, and any other VD, and not to mention pregnancy. If someone showed signs of sexual relations, parents should be told.

Where are we getting tax payer dollars? Someone please answer this or stop bringing this up.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
You said any sign of homosexual behavior is investigated.

In my opinion, in type of sexual behavior that is at meetings, camping, etc. should be investigated. Sex for teens is an epidemic and so is HIV, Herpes, Crabs, and any other VD, and not to mention pregnancy. If someone showed signs of sexual relations, parents should be told.

Where are we getting tax payer dollars? Someone please answer this or stop bringing this up.

If that is the case, anyone shown to be having sex outside of marriage should be kicked out, yet they are not.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

A guy I work with is a Scout Leader. He's also a complete douchebag and I wonder how those poor kids deal with him.

 

[FettsBabe]

You dummy , I said investigated, not kicked out. Big difference.

Parents need to be told if underage sex is going on whether you are gay or not. In our troop it would be. If you are gay, you are not living by a major code given by God.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Who's openly discriminating? The policy of the military is "don't discuss it" I don't think sexual orientation is an appropriate coversation while you are on the battlefield. I do believe that strategic questions and discussions come into play at that moment so you don't get your ass blown away. </end quote></div>

Oh, right right, just kick them out when they are exposed as homosexual, until then they're valuable members of the military. My bad!</end quote></div>

Actually, the military policy is a lot different than the BSA policy (IIRC). The official military policy is:

Don't ask.
Don't Tell.
Don't Pursue.

The third part is the key. Damn near the only time anyone can get involuntarily kicked out of the military for being gay is if there is OVERWHELMING evidence (which is pretty much getting caught in the act by at least a dozen people).

The BSA follows a slightly different approach. While they will not conduct a hunt for gay members, any evidence of homosexual behavior is investigated.</end quote></div>

First time I've ever heard Don't Pursue attached to the end.</end quote></div>

That detail is generally only known by those in the military. I know if was in the briefings I had. Part of the reason it exists is that there would be a lot of issues with people claiming a particular person was gay without any real proof. As it is now, there has to be overwhelming evidence before any investigation is started (meaning that in theory, nobody that is straight would ever be investigated).

Thanks for the info. I'm always looking for updates like this, especially first hand info. Unfortunately, I couldn't join the military due to a pre-exsisting medical condition. I don't feel that sexual preference should be an issue tho.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
You dummy , I said investigated, not kicked out. Big difference.

Parents need to be told if underage sex is going on whether you are gay or not. In our troop it would be. If you are gay, you are not living by a major code given by Man.

fixed

 

[0roo0roo]

i was a scout
but that doesn't matter to me as long as they continue their position of official bigotry. i'm sorry, even the hitler youth had its good points. the bigotry nullifies everything else they do as far as i'm concerned, they deserve no support.

 

[Adn4n]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FettsBabe
You dummy , I said investigated, not kicked out. Big difference.

Parents need to be told if underage sex is going on whether you are gay or not. In our troop it would be. If you are gay, you are not living by a major code given by Man.</end quote></div>


fixed

QFT

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FettsBabe
You dummy , I said investigated, not kicked out. Big difference.

Parents need to be told if underage sex is going on whether you are gay or not. In our troop it would be. If you are gay, you are not living by a major code given by God.</end quote></div>

Sex outside of marriage is also a major code given by god, but it is not enforced as stringently but the BSA (or many groups for that matter). The fact of the matter is that the BSA is enforcing one aspect of mainstream Christianity far more than many of the other aspects.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: waggy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: pulse8
I don't think it's good to teach your children that discrimination is ok so long as you clean.</end quote></div>

I don't either. BUT it is a private ogrinazation. IF they do not want the goverment telling them who they can and can not accept do not get any handouts from the goverment.

if the BSA wants to exclude athiest and gays (wich as a private orginazation they should have that right). they should not be getting govermnent land for $1 a year or other stuff.

I didn't say they couldn't exist. I just don't think it's good to teach your children bigotry under the guise of supporting a community.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
You dummy , I said investigated, not kicked out. Big difference.

Parents need to be told if underage sex is going on whether you are gay or not. In our troop it would be. If you are gay, you are not living by a major code given by God.

ooo....the religion card, no indirect gay bashing thread would be complete without it

 

[yllus]

I was actually surreptitiously kicked out of Scouts Canada back in the eighties - that is to say, things were made 'difficult' for me to join because I was obviously not of the religion/skin colour that the vast majority of children there were. Worked out for me though, since I didn't really want to do that boring stuff anyways. Strangely enough in my late teens and early twenties I've started going camping annually - late bloomer? Still not a God-fearer though.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: yllus
I was actually surreptitiously kicked out of Scouts Canada back in the eighties - that is to say, things were made 'difficult' for me to join because I was obviously not of the religion/skin colour that the vast majority of children there were. Worked out for me though, since I didn't really want to do that boring stuff anyways. Strangely enough in my late teens and early twenties I've started going camping annually - late bloomer? Still not a God-fearer though.

The way you're headed, you're going to get the fear of God put into your bunghole. :Q

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Howard
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: yllus
I was actually surreptitiously kicked out of Scouts Canada back in the eighties - that is to say, things were made 'difficult' for me to join because I was obviously not of the religion/skin colour that the vast majority of children there were. Worked out for me though, since I didn't really want to do that boring stuff anyways. Strangely enough in my late teens and early twenties I've started going camping annually - late bloomer? Still not a God-fearer though. </end quote></div>
The way you're headed, you're going to get the fear of God put into your bunghole. :Q

:Q

Reminds me of...

Mikkel: If you went camping and you got REALLY drunk with your friend and you
woke up the next morning with a condom stuck up your ass would you tell anybody?
Celestya: i dont think so
Mikkel: Wanna go camping?

 

[adairusmc]

BSA is bullshiat

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
BSA is bullshiat

Indeed.

OP, u really need to watch the full episode of Penn and Teller bullshit on boy scouts

 

[spidey07]

There is probably no better organization than boy scouts. They are deeply needed to help teach young boys how to be men and take care of themselves and others.

I personally have saved two lives because of what I learned. I fully support and donate to scouts and encourage everybody to put their kids in it as it will reward them throughout their lives.

:thumbsup:

 

[FettsBabe]

Spidey you rock. Thanks for taking your knowledge and helping people.

I don't agree with PETA but I support their right to believe in what they want to.

I don't expect you not to eat meat just because they are vegan. However, I don't people not to eat meat because it hurts cows or pigs. So, Scouts exclude gay people and atheist. Big F'n deal. Just don't put your child in it. They should be banned just because of that.

Remember this is America. We have choices. You should not try to impose your beliefs on the organization. You just don't join or BUY TRAILSEND POPCORN.

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Wow, I feel better now that I got that off my chest!!!!

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shockedvshocked

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Spidey you rock. Thanks for taking your knowledge and helping people.

I don't agree with PETA but I support their right to believe in what they want to.

I don't expect you not to eat meat just because they are vegan. However, I don't people not to eat meat because it hurts cows or pigs. So, Scouts exclude gay people and atheist. Big F'n deal. Just don't put your child in it. They should be banned just because of that.

Remember this is America. We have choices. You should not try to impose your beliefs on the organization. You just don't join or BUY TRAILSEND POPCORN.

This is America, which also means that people have a right to disagree. I was a boy scout and I will likely enroll my kids in it. I believe that many aspects of how it is run are just plain wrong and bigoted, but I think it is a valuable teaching resource.

And yes, you SHOULD try to impose your beliefs on the organization.

 

[FettsBabe]

"And yes, you SHOULD try to impose your beliefs on the organization. "

Only if you are an active member and volunteer your time to help the organization and non't just bitch about things you disapprove of and do nothing in the organization other than take up space or sit on the outside doing nothing.

People who do nothing should have nothing to say!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just because we don't allow gay men in doesn't mean that we devalue them as a human, we just don't allow them in the private organization because we don't feel they follow the bible and its beliefs. Scouts can be kicked out if they are not reverent, they will NOT advance and can eventually be kicked out.

I don't bitch because I can't play golf at the strict "male" club in Georgia. I could care less. It is private and their decision as to whom enters their organization.

I volunteer my time and have done so since 1997. The boys are bright young articulate men. Exactly, what Scouts strive to be.

 

[ch33zw1z]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FettsBabe
"And yes, you SHOULD try to impose your beliefs on the organization. "

Only if you are an active member and volunteer your time to help the organization and non't just bitch about things you disapprove of and do nothing in the organization other than take up space or sit on the outside doing nothing.

People who do nothing should have nothing to say!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just because we don't allow gay men in doesn't mean that we devalue them as a human, we just don't allow them in the private organization because we don't feel they follow the bible and its beliefs. Scouts can be kicked out if they are not reverent, they will NOT advance and can eventually be kicked out.

I don't bitch because I can't play golf at the strict "male" club in Georgia. I could care less. It is private and their decision as to whom enters their organization.

I volunteer my time and have done so since 1997. The boys are bright young articulate men. Exactly, what Scouts strive to be.</end quote></div>

And the people who are involved just get kicked out if they want change!!! lol...

edit: what's wrong with this quote stuff lately.

 

[FettsBabe]

When your opinion is of the majority involved you are not ignored.