Anti Boy Scouts....GRRRRRR.

[FiddleDD]

lol I didn't want my son going to UC Berkeley for his PHD either

It's American socialism at its best.

 

[FettsBabe]

Why would you be discriminated against? It certainly couldn't be color because we have all different cultures and colors in our Troop. We have 121 Pack members and 102 Troop members (at my last count). We are bigger than most.

 

[Praxis1452]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Why would you be discriminated against? It certainly couldn't be color because we have all different cultures and colors in our Troop. We have 121 Pack members and 102 Troop members (at my last count). We are bigger than most.</end quote></div>

Because I'm not religious.

I saw something about badges for god in country and god in something else. From this whole entire thread I do not believe they allow atheists or agnostics in. Also if they were the attitude does not seem compatible.

by the way I don't even hate the boy scouts. I really don't care very much about them except you seem to defend them so vigorously.

 

[FiddleDD]

they don't let atheists in, it is part of the scout oath to do your best ...to "God" and country...

 

[PrinceofWands]

The Nazi's brought order to chaos and lifted the German nation out of it's hole after WWI. The KKK donated bibles all over America. NAMBLA stands up for the rights of the minority and helps create social bonds and provide a sense of brotherhood and acceptance.

Just because an organization does good doesn't mean you should overlook the negatives. In this case the scouts are zealotous bigots. If you REALLY cared about the idea of scouts you'd seek to reform them into an acceptable organization instead of supporting their agenda of exclusion and discrimination.

 

[waggy]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FettsBabe
"being dropped form the list of charities which receive donations directly from state employees' payroll."

Why couldn't they be listed? It is an employees choice if they chose to allocate their money to that respective organization.

Why can't the BSA use a public marina? Do they also charge the regular public? If so, then I agree. If they don't charge others, but charge the BSA then it is wrong.</end quote></div>

as for the payroll thing a private business has the right to exclude whoever from payroll deductions. just as BSA has the right to exclude gays and athiest.

its not saying the employees can't give them money. just saying the business has the right to say they are not doing it for them.


The marina charges for use of the berthing docs. Berkley passed a law banning subsidies for groups that discriminate (wich i fully agree with). Since they were getting it free they now had to pay or stop discriminating.

they refused that so they had to pay. they sued and lost.

 

[FiddleDD]

cracks me up...you are comparing the nazi's to the Boy Scouts, how unAmerican are you??

Wagg where is your proof that the Scouting organization has sued Berkeley?

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Its no different than the crap you are saying about BSA. You are obviously the braindead individual in this thread.

No response to Augusta, huh? Whats the difference, big boy?

MY TROOP DOES NOT GET DISCOUNTS AT OUR PARKS. WE PAY THE SAME FEE AS EVERYONE ELSE. In fact, we bought Raven Knob, acre by acre and we buy a little more each year. That is not gov. funding, it is us funding ourselves.

Secondly, if some troops do get a discount that is the problem WITH YOUR LOCAL GOV., not the BSA. Stop fussing at BSA for your local gov's problem. DUH.

Response to Augusta:


Even if you were a man you wouldn't be able to play there.

 

[FettsBabe]

Does the marina let school children or church groups use the marina for free?

Payroll - Understand and that is fine. Anyone can write a check...well ok, I'm sure someone can't, but the majority can.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
they don't let atheists in, it is part of the scout oath to do your best ...to "God" and country...

No wai! :brokenheart:


are you a brick? I mentioned that I was going to be discriminated against. Then you explained I was going to be discriminated against. Great. A+'s you got in school for sure. I'm sure people love it when you repeat what they said back.

 

[FettsBabe]

You are right, but some woman could. Whats you point?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Does the marina let school children or church groups use the marina for free?

Payroll - Understand and that is fine. Anyone can write a check...well ok, I'm sure someone can't, but the majority can.

it may let both in. LONG as they do not discriminate.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: silverpig
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Its no different than the crap you are saying about BSA. You are obviously the braindead individual in this thread.

No response to Augusta, huh? Whats the difference, big boy?

MY TROOP DOES NOT GET DISCOUNTS AT OUR PARKS. WE PAY THE SAME FEE AS EVERYONE ELSE. In fact, we bought Raven Knob, acre by acre and we buy a little more each year. That is not gov. funding, it is us funding ourselves.

Secondly, if some troops do get a discount that is the problem WITH YOUR LOCAL GOV., not the BSA. Stop fussing at BSA for your local gov's problem. DUH.</end quote></div>



Response to Augusta:


Even if you were a man you wouldn't be able to play there.

it does not matter who could. its a private club. only thing that would matter is if they are getting government help (which i doubt they are).

private club has the right discriminate. just the problem comes in with government funding. once they accept that they have to obey all laws. mainly that they can not discriminate based on race, religion (or lack of) and sex.

 

[FiddleDD]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FiddleDD
they don't let atheists in, it is part of the scout oath to do your best ...to "God" and country...</end quote></div>

No wai! :brokenheart:


are you a brick? I mentioned that I was going to be discriminated against. Then you explained I was going to be discriminated against. Great. A+'s you got in school for sure. I'm sure people love it when you repeat what they said back.

wow, guess someone can't confirm what you said to be true, or else they are less than intelligent...what point are you trying to prove now?

 

[FettsBabe]

Gov. Funding....a group discount isn't gov. funding. Just because you get a group discount doesn't mean you have to do the whole race, creed, etc. bylaw.

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
they don't let atheists in, it is part of the scout oath to do your best ...to "God" and country...

Clarify this for me, I really don't like twisting people's words. What I'm getting from the above statement is that the BSA thinks athiests can't be good people working to benefit their country because they don't believe in a god. Hence they don't allow them in their orginization. Correct, partially correct, not even close?

 

[nageov3t]

the boy scouts think I'm going to hell, I guess I hope for the same in return.

ok, not really... but I've got nothing but disdain for the organization.

/former boyscout
/a little bitter

 

[FettsBabe]

I've never been to a church that didn't discriminate...baptists, methodists, COG, Catholic. I mean, all churches discriminate on some level.

Waggy, even you discriminate. I guess they make everyone pay.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Kaervak
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FiddleDD
they don't let atheists in, it is part of the scout oath to do your best ...to "God" and country...</end quote></div>

Clarify this for me, I really don't like twisting people's words. What I'm getting from the above statement is that the BSA thinks athiests can't be good people working to benefit their country because they don't believe in a god. Hence they don't allow them in their orginization. Correct, partially correct, not even close?

That's almost exactly what I was told.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Gov. Funding....a group discount isn't gov. funding. Just because you get a group discount doesn't mean you have to do the whole race, creed, etc. bylaw.

The high court disagrees.

 

[FiddleDD]

Kudo's to the BSA for not taking religion out of their program. Political views pushed it out of schools, but I'm glad there is a long lasting insitution that is keeping God in their program. God is who our founding father's believed in.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Praxis1452
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FiddleDD
they don't let atheists in, it is part of the scout oath to do your best ...to "God" and country...</end quote></div>

No wai! :brokenheart:


are you a brick? I mentioned that I was going to be discriminated against. Then you explained I was going to be discriminated against. Great. A+'s you got in school for sure. I'm sure people love it when you repeat what they said back.</end quote></div>

wow, guess someone can't confirm what you said to be true, or else they are less than intelligent...what point are you trying to prove now?

wow you did it again.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
I've never been to a church that didn't discriminate...baptists, methodists, COG, Catholic. I mean, all churches discriminate on some level.

Waggy, even you discriminate. I guess they make everyone pay.

i do? how so?

because i think that a group that discriminates should not get any government subsidiary's? Ha

 

[FettsBabe]

Boy Scouts are reverent to God. You can be reverent and do unto God as the organization believes if you don't believe in God.

They wouldn't necessarily kick you out immediately. With parents approval they would probably try to work with you to try to show you God's word and let them decide. If you then chose not to believe then you also decide to leave Scouts.

There are other groups like Scouts that you could join that doesn't necessarily do reverence to God.

Although, at my school, we did prayers before sporting games, which means that we couldn't use the Berkeley marina. OMG, now schools don't get to use the marina. What is the world coming to???? LOL

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
Kudo's to the BSA for not taking religion out of their program. Political views pushed it out of schools, but I'm glad there is a long lasting insitution that is keeping God in their program. God is who our founding father's believed in.

Funny that they didn't mandate faith in God, eh?