Anti Boy Scouts....GRRRRRR.

[blackbishop26]

ok, i read this whole thread and i just have to post. i cant take it anymore.

BSA was founded using a very simple belief structure most commonly associated with the way our country was founded. a belief in god. people bashing on this moral code are the same reason that the pledge of allegience is not said in school anymore and could get me fired for wishing a co-worked a merry christmas. before i get called bigot, i have travelled the world and had friends from every major organized religion and sexual preference. i am not quite as naive as the OP seems to be. call me worldly if you will.

point is that people cant look past the outside of things anymore.as a scout, i knew several atheists and many homosexuals. nobody ever asked my sexual preferece or if i went to church. the fact is that i believe in God, but make no effort to push that on other people and i never attended church as a child. nobody i know in more than 20 years of scouting has been kicked out for not believing in God or for being homosexual. not one. we received no govt funding and our budget consisted of donations and what we raised.

the scout oath has not changed since it's inception and i would turn in my eagle badge if it was made more pc. you want to know what is wrong with the BSA? what is wrong with you? can you just not skip the part that has to deal with God? Can you not just let young men have a good time and learn something worthwhile. people in this country have been turned into pussies by all of this pc garbage. our forefathers would disown us if they could see us now.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: blackbishop26
ok, i read this whole thread and i just have to post. i cant take it anymore.

BSA was founded using a very simple belief structure most commonly associated with the way our country was founded. a belief in god. people bashing on this moral code are the same reason that the pledge of allegience is not said in school anymore and could get me fired for wishing a co-worked a merry christmas. before i get called bigot, i have travelled the world and had friends from every major organized religion and sexual preference. i am not quite as naive as the OP seems to be. call me worldly if you will.

point is that people cant look past the outside of things anymore.as a scout, i knew several atheists and many homosexuals. nobody ever asked my sexual preferece or if i went to church. the fact is that i believe in God, but make no effort to push that on other people and i never attended church as a child. nobody i know in more than 20 years of scouting has been kicked out for not believing in God or for being homosexual. not one. we received no govt funding and our budget consisted of donations and what we raised.

the scout oath has not changed since it's inception and i would turn in my eagle badge if it was made more pc. you want to know what is wrong with the BSA? what is wrong with you? can you just not skip the part that has to deal with God? Can you not just let young men have a good time and learn something worthwhile. people in this country have been turned into pussies by all of this pc garbage. our forefathers would disown us if they could see us now.

You're asking the wrong side those questions. Ask the boyscouts why they won't let you skip the part that has to deal with God. I got kicked out for just quietly skipping that part. It's generally the religious folks that make things tough...the rest of us are perfectly willing to just completely remove all reference to religion on our own time.

 

[HammerCurl]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
god, what has the topic morphed into now?

The Boy Scouts hate gays. The gays hate Boy Scouts. An epic battle is brewing: pocket knives versus giant black dildos, who will be the victor?

Oh man, this sounds like a good movie. What do you think it would score on Rotten Tomatoes if it was directed by Spielberg?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Why would you be discriminated against? It certainly couldn't be color because we have all different cultures and colors in our Troop. We have 121 Pack members and 102 Troop members (at my last count). We are bigger than most.

You know they don't allow gays right?

They dont allow girls to join so whats your fricken point?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe


Yes, they are restrictive as to who can be a member, but who cares?

are you serious?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
Once again...our own gov. discriminates against gays, but the bsa can't have their own policy

so that makes it okay? are you human?

 

[keeleysam]

They are a religous organization that receives tax money.

That's why they are bad.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: FettsBabe


Yes, they are restrictive as to who can be a member, but who cares?

are you serious?

i care, i dont want girls in my boys pack. thats what the girl scouts are for.

citrix Jr. - Bear Cub Scout and proud of it.

 

[Platypus]

what the fuck, this thread was a corpse.

fobot I hate you

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: keeleysam
They are a religous organization that receives tax money.

That's why they are bad.

religious? what religion would they be?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: keeleysam
They are a religous organization that receives tax money.

That's why they are bad.

religious? what religion would they be?

"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, ?On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.? The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

I took my oldest to his first Scout event this weekend... here are a few thoughts:

pros
1) It was a great experience for my kid. He learned tons, made friends, had a blast.
2) It was a good experience for me. I met a couple of dads, had fun, learned some.
3) There was a good blend of structure and unstructured activities... the camporee had a Lewis and Clark theme, but scouts had to walk from event to event, and could do so in any order.
4) It was a low effort camping trip for me... the had staff/volunteers cook and clean, I had lots of time to bond with my kid. Very helpful for a father of a tiger/cub. Funtime was maximized.
5) not overtly religious, didn't offend my agnostic sensibilities

cons
1) it was a bit expensive... I spent roughly $80 for a 1 night camping trip [$40 in fees, $20 in gas, $20 for meals to and from] I'm willing to say that the money was worth it given the advantages listed above. We've also spent about $70 on scouting uniform stuff. While we're able to do this, I'm sure many are not.
2) food was pretty lame (for this event, they had dinners prepared for all the packs)... the peanut butter sandwich table kept us alive. This is a minor concern, but I was worried until I saw the PB station.
3) considering one of the things that is great about the event was companionship, I regret that the BSA restricts who can participate. Our pack leader gets a bit pissed when he thinks that his young daughter will have to be excluded from BSA programming at some point.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: keeleysam
They are a religous organization that receives tax money.

That's why they are bad.

religious? what religion would they be?

"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, ?On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.? The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."

what specific God or religion does it say again?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: keeleysam
They are a religous organization that receives tax money.

That's why they are bad.

religious? what religion would they be?

"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, ?On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.? The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."

what specific God or religion does it say again?

It doesn't matter, if atheists or agnostics are excluded no government assistance/discounts for you.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: keeleysam
They are a religous organization that receives tax money.

That's why they are bad.

religious? what religion would they be?

"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, ?On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.? The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."

what specific God or religion does it say again?

It doesn't matter, if atheists or agnostics are excluded no government assistance/discounts for you.

but you have no problem with it being a boys club?

 

[Connoisseur]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
I agree waggy, that is why the BSA does extensive background checks in hopes that it does catch what it can. They MUST go through the Child Protective Training ever 2 or 3 years. Our Troop does this yearly AND it is 2 Deep Leadership which means NO BOY should EVER be left ALONE with just 1 leader unless it is his Father or Mother of course.

BSA has done a great job to stop child molestation.

HA HA HA "2 Deep". Man the sexual references keep coming. Yes folks, i'm 23 years old and i'm making a double entendre reference on "2 Deep". Yay maturity As for the rest of this thread, I give it a meh. I find it incredibly ironic that, despite BSA's not accepting gays, their uniforms don't exactly scream "manly".

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: keeleysam
They are a religous organization that receives tax money.

That's why they are bad.

religious? what religion would they be?

"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, ?On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.? The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."

How can stuff like this not remind people of other religious nuts in the world? These idiots are saying that I'm not a good citizen because I don't believe in gods? Fvck you Boy Scouts of America.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: keeleysam
They are a religous organization that receives tax money.

That's why they are bad.

religious? what religion would they be?

"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, ?On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.? The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."

i would like to know what site you got that crap from. because its is not what duty to God means. let me correct you.



The Meaning of the Boy Scout Oath
Excerpted from page 45-46, Boy Scout Handbook, 11th ed,
(#33105), copyright 1998 by BSA, ISBN 0-8395-3105-2

and from page 420-421, Webelos Scout Book, 1998 edition,
(#33108), copyright 1998 by BSA, ISBN 0-8395-3108-7

To do my duty to God . . .

Your family and religious leaders teach you about God and the ways you can serve. You do your duty to God by following the wisdom of those teachings every day and by respecting and defending the rights of others to practice their own beliefs.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hmm for being anti gay I always considered the Boy Scouts as kind of a gay organization, you know, grown men running around in Lederhosen covorting with young boys out in the forests around camp fires.

 

[Engraver]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hmm for being anti gay I always considered the Boy Scouts as kind of a gay organization, you know, grown men running around in Lederhosen covorting with young boys out in the forests around camp fires.

Google SNL Canteen Boy.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: FettsBabe


Yes, they are restrictive as to who can be a member, but who cares?

are you serious?

Harvard is restrictive about who can be a member of their school, those bastards!

 

[Henrythewound]

As much as I think a boy scout-like experience (camping, friendship, etc) would be beneficial for my son (he's still way too young to think about joining) I will not be allowing it. I can't support or look the other way when an organization is discriminatory. Religious zealots can kiss my ass.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Henrythewound
As much as I think a boy scout-like experience (camping, friendship, etc) would be beneficial for my son (he's still way too young to think about joining) I will not be allowing it. I can't support or look the other way when an organization is discriminatory. Religious zealots can kiss my ass.

Actually despite my crude comment about the BSA in few posts up I actually think it's a good organization, now if they could just ferret out the Fundies who seem to be in control of it it would be even better.

 

[TruePaige]

Good activites, but the wrong kind of people to be around...anyone who is full of hatred, is full of wroooonng.

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: FettsBabe


Yes, they are restrictive as to who can be a member, but who cares?

are you serious?

Harvard is restrictive about who can be a member of their school, those bastards!

Restrictive != discriminatory