Anti-Depressants

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Before I go talk to a doctor about my on-going depression; I figured I'd take some opinions first.

To start; if you take anti-depressants, what do you think of them? Do they seem to work? What are they called? What are the positive/negative aspects?

Just looking to get some information before I get right into it.
 

Mrvile

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Think about the little bouncing blobs and how they balance out after a while and that's pretty much how it goes.
 
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Need more info. ^^;

I've heard anti-depressants have a tendency to bring about thoughts of suicide. To this point; I've been able to control all such thoughts and avoid it, but I'm not sure how that'd work out with "the pills." Anyone have experience in that department?
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Before I go talk to a doctor about my on-going depression; I figured I'd take some opinions first.

To start; if you take anti-depressants, what do you think of them? Do they seem to work? What are they called? What are the positive/negative aspects?

Just looking to get some information before I get right into it.


I would push for a diagnosis if you are going to take anti-depressants..i am a little concerned that people are just handing these things out now days....why are you going to take them? they seem to be helpful for some people but i wouldnt be so sure unless you know for a fact that they are likely to help you
 
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I'm not sure. I'm not sure of anything anymore. I think I need to see a psychiatrist(psychologist?), but they cost money. Perhaps I have coverage on my parents end, but I really don't want to talk to them about it...
 
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Originally posted by: Xyclone
Try to break the "vicious cycle" of depression before taking meds first, IMO.

As far as I know; I've been in depression for at least the last four years of my life. If I haven't beaten the "vicious cycle" yet, I don't think I ever will. I'm not sure how much longer I can control myself in certain senses, but I'm not doing to bad right now.

I've seen how people turn out when they don't get the treatment they need, and I don't want to be like that.
 

Sunbird

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I used fluoxetine for about 7 months in 2004, was feeling better, so for a month I took one every second day and then stopped all together.

It helps to break the cycle of evil thoughts that perpetuate themselves.

Side effects for me was:
In beginning I sometimes felt like I had the physical symptoms of what I would assume is a panic attack, maybe it was just the stress of being depressed being released in some way.

My mouth was also always dry inside, not increased thirst though, just mouth was very dry.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Xyclone
Try to break the "vicious cycle" of depression before taking meds first, IMO.

Get out and exercise more, eat better foods, and take vitamins. Get involved in some activities. Try to identify negative things in your life, and correct them if possible. If not possible, try to understand them and work around them.

Don't rush to meds, because then you're creating another addiction, where you have to take pills in order to pretend to be happy. While you might be one of the tiny minority of people who really needs them for some reason, you're probably not.
 

aidanjm

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I take effexor. I think it takes the edge of my depression. it has some side effects when you first take it, and stopping it is difficult (withdrawal effects). despite that, I have found it better than the other ssri antidepressants. seems to be a bit more powerful. it's not a complete solution. I think ultimately, overcoming depression probably requires a change in your thinking habits (the way you see or interpret the world). things like exercise do make a big difference too.
 

Xyclone

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Try to break the "vicious cycle" of depression before taking meds first, IMO.

As far as I know; I've been in depression for at least the last four years of my life. If I haven't beaten the "vicious cycle" yet, I don't think I ever will. I'm not sure how much longer I can control myself in certain senses, but I'm not doing to bad right now.

I've seen how people turn out when they don't get the treatment they need, and I don't want to be like that.

Wow... 4 years? Do you feel severly depressed, or like it's a chronic depression, but not as bad?
 

Gatos

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As far as suicide goes....if you have had no thoughts of killing yourself that is good. Most people who do kill themselves on antidepressants have previous thoughts of suicide and end up killing themselves in the first two weeks of treatmetnt. SSRIs take a little while to work, however, people that are seriously depressed with suicidal thoughts don't have enough energy to kill themselves. Two weeks later after initiating therapy you start to get some energy back and this is when people with the suicidal thoughts/ideas kill themselves.... energy and apetite come back relatively soon after starting SSRIs, but as far as not feeling depressed can take up to 4-6 weeks. (People that also tend to commit suicide are the people with bipolar tendancies, go into depression and manias frequently)....talk to your doctor!!!!!!
 
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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Try to break the "vicious cycle" of depression before taking meds first, IMO.

Get out and exercise more, eat better foods, and take vitamins. Get involved in some activities. Try to identify negative things in your life, and correct them if possible. If not possible, try to understand them and work around them.

Don't rush to meds, because then you're creating another addiction, where you have to take pills in order to pretend to be happy. While you might be one of the tiny minority of people who really needs them for some reason, you're probably not.

Nearing the end of the 7th grade, I seem to have brought out my fibromyalgia, which was pretty bad timing if you ask me. I managed to finish the year off, but I wasn't so lucky after that. I showed up for the first four months of 8th grade, then I just stopped going to school as often as I used to. I started missing 2, 3, even four days of school out of each week.

Later; I went had a blood test done and they also found out that I had received Mononucleosis from someone at school. With this; I missed the rest of the 8th grade, losing all of my friends in the process. I ended up severing all social ties with just about everyone I knew outside of my family. I stayed in bed for the majority of the day, never going outside, not talking very much.

Eventually the Mono went away, and after the recovery I was allowed to go back and write some sort of exam to see if I was able to pass the 8th grade without having to re-take it. I did this, and aparently did well (even though I never found out my results) and was allowed to graduate.

I started highschool the following year; along with all of my old classmates. I started to make back my friends, slowly, but it was happening. A few months into school, everything just started falling apart again. I ended up missing the rest of the 9th grade and once again, lost all of my friends.

Come grade 10, I was nearly physically unable to attend school, but I had to push through it else my life would be set back more than it was, and I'd be stuck so far behind...I wouldn't be able to get back. I made it through this year, missing two days out of each week to recuperate. It was hard, but I did it, and I'm glad for it.

I managed to finish grade 11 along the same pattern; missing multiple days...

I developed insomnia somewhere along the line, when; I can't remember. I drop to about, 5 hours a sleep a night. That wasn't too bad, but it slowly got worse.

Come the end of grade 11, I was already a year behind all of my old friends from missing grade 9, but some of them were still attending so I would still be able to see them when I came back for my final year. Only, I didn't go back.

No, I had to move two hours away because my dad got a new job up here. I was split from my friends without more than a months notice. I don't blame my parents for this; they did what they felt they had to, and probably ensured a better future for all of us in the process. I did resent them for a while, but I realized that I was making a mistake.

Now I'm in my final year at a new school; starting out from scratch again. I have few friends...I'm not social, at all. I sit and wait for people to try and approach me; I'll never talk to them first. This would explain why I've never had a girlfriend, ever.

I feel I'm way behind in life and that I'll never be able to catch up. I just feel...lost.



Well, there's the brief of my life, as of late. I decided to leave out the abuse by my brother, both physical and emotional. I feel I've overcome that for the most part, so I don't think it's too important.

I doubt I need anti-depressants, but I think if I used them for a little while, I could start socializing more and possibly change my life, for the better. With a jump start on life, I could then (hopefully) abandon the pills and just keep going. Now, I have no experience with this, so I don't even know if it's possible...
 
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Originally posted by: Gatos
As far as suicide goes....if you have had no thoughts of killing yourself that is good. Most people who do kill themselves on antidepressants have previous thoughts of suicide and end up killing themselves in the first two weeks of treatmetnt. SSRIs take a little while to work, however, people that are seriously depressed with suicidal thoughts don't have enough energy to kill themselves. Two weeks later after initiating therapy you start to get some energy back and this is when people with the suicidal thoughts/ideas kill themselves.... energy and apetite come back relatively soon after starting SSRIs, but as far as not feeling depressed can take up to 4-6 weeks. (People that also tend to commit suicide are the people with bipolar tendancies, go into depression and manias frequently)....talk to your doctor!!!!!!

I have thought of suicide; but I could never do it because of the pain it would cause my family and what few people I know. I don't think of myself of a selfish person, but I wouldn't want people thinking that of me.
 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: LoKe
I'm not sure. I'm not sure of anything anymore. I think I need to see a psychiatrist(psychologist?), but they cost money. Perhaps I have coverage on my parents end, but I really don't want to talk to them about it...

are you in school (college)? they usually have their own psych services, and i don't think the parents find out about it (you could inquire though).
 
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Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: LoKe
I'm not sure. I'm not sure of anything anymore. I think I need to see a psychiatrist(psychologist?), but they cost money. Perhaps I have coverage on my parents end, but I really don't want to talk to them about it...

are you in school (college)? they usually have their own psych services, and i don't think the parents find out about it (you could inquire though).

Still in my last year of highschool.
 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Try to break the "vicious cycle" of depression before taking meds first, IMO.

Get out and exercise more, eat better foods, and take vitamins. Get involved in some activities. Try to identify negative things in your life, and correct them if possible. If not possible, try to understand them and work around them.

Don't rush to meds, because then you're creating another addiction, where you have to take pills in order to pretend to be happy. While you might be one of the tiny minority of people who really needs them for some reason, you're probably not.

Nearing the end of the 7th grade, I seem to have brought out my fibromyalgia, which was pretty bad timing if you ask me. I managed to finish the year off, but I wasn't so lucky after that. I showed up for the first four months of 8th grade, then I just stopped going to school as often as I used to. I started missing 2, 3, even four days of school out of each week.

Later; I went had a blood test done and they also found out that I had received Mononucleosis from someone at school. With this; I missed the rest of the 8th grade, losing all of my friends in the process. I ended up severing all social ties with just about everyone I knew outside of my family. I stayed in bed for the majority of the day, never going outside, not talking very much.

Eventually the Mono went away, and after the recovery I was allowed to go back and write some sort of exam to see if I was able to pass the 8th grade without having to re-take it. I did this, and aparently did well (even though I never found out my results) and was allowed to graduate.

I started highschool the following year; along with all of my old classmates. I started to make back my friends, slowly, but it was happening. A few months into school, everything just started falling apart again. I ended up missing the rest of the 9th grade and once again, lost all of my friends.

Come grade 10, I was nearly physically unable to attend school, but I had to push through it else my life would be set back more than it was, and I'd be stuck so far behind...I wouldn't be able to get back. I made it through this year, missing two days out of each week to recuperate. It was hard, but I did it, and I'm glad for it.

I managed to finish grade 11 along the same pattern; missing multiple days...

I developed insomnia somewhere along the line, when; I can't remember. I drop to about, 5 hours a sleep a night. That wasn't too bad, but it slowly got worse.

Come the end of grade 11, I was already a year behind all of my old friends from missing grade 9, but some of them were still attending so I would still be able to see them when I came back for my final year. Only, I didn't go back.

No, I had to move two hours away because my dad got a new job up here. I was split from my friends without more than a months notice. I don't blame my parents for this; they did what they felt they had to, and probably ensured a better future for all of us in the process. I did resent them for a while, but I realized that I was making a mistake.

Now I'm in my final year at a new school; starting out from scratch again. I have few friends...I'm not social, at all. I sit and wait for people to try and approach me; I'll never talk to them first. This would explain why I've never had a girlfriend, ever.

I feel I'm way behind in life and that I'll never be able to catch up. I just feel...lost.



Well, there's the brief of my life, as of late. I decided to leave out the abuse by my brother, both physical and emotional. I feel I've overcome that for the most part, so I don't think it's too important.

I doubt I need anti-depressants, but I think if I used them for a little while, I could start socializing more and possibly change my life, for the better. With a jump start on life, I could then (hopefully) abandon the pills and just keep going. Now, I have no experience with this, so I don't even know if it's possible...

With all that going on, I doubt anti-depressants would help on their own. Counseling is really needed. Maybe its time to tell the parents.
 

CallMeJoe

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Suicide and other violent side effects of SSIR anti-depressants result from suppression of impulse control. If you have no violent or suicidal tendencies when you start the drugs, you are unlikely to experience those particular problems. "Sexual side effects" (suppression of libido), dry mouth. irritability and difficulty sleeping IIRC are the most common problems.
 
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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Suicide and other violent side effects of SSIR anti-depressants result from suppression of impulse control. If you have no violent or suicidal tendencies when you start the drugs, you are unlikely to experience those particular problems. "Sexual side effects" (suppression of libido), dry mouth. irritability and difficulty sleeping IIRC are the most common problems.

I do have violent tendencies...I don't go out of my way t oavoid fights; in fact, I look for them. I often come up with none, because everyone around here are just a bunch of punk kids...

I'm not terribly violent, I mean, I don't hurt animals, I'm not agressive with my friends of family, I just like to fight? It might be because of how I deal with physical pain. I can block it out, to an extent. I can take a large dose of pain before I let it get to me.

I tihnk I should take up boxing, or something. Might help...
 

thomsbrain

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I'm about to graduate as a psych major...

see a PSYCHOLOGIST.

NOT a psychiatrist. the psychiatrist will just throw drugs at you and then leave you to fend for yourself. the long-standing advancement of psychology has left the field of psychiatry with only the drugs to set them apart (and now they losing even that distinction in some states). they also lack adequate training to perform real therapy in the first place. so these days they are nothing more than overpaid drug dispensers. although they are very popular with HMO's because drugs are cheap, when psychologists get the right to prescribe, i predict the field of psychiatry will disappear overnight.

the psychologist can still get you drugs IF NECESSARY, by giving a recommendation to your family doctor, who like any MD, can prescribe them to you. most doctors are more than happy to follow the recommendation of a psychologist, and your family doctor is actually the best person to prescribe, because they know your medical history and current medications. but the key here is that a psychologist will consider drugs just one of multiple options on the path to recovery, whereas with a psychiatrist, you will limit your options severely.

for the most part, studies show that therapy combined with drugs is the most effective treatment for depression (in general).

also, as some have mentioned, the "increased" risk of suicide associated with SSRI's is almost certainly the result of the increased "power" and energy that is given to you when you recover. this happens to all recovering people, not just those taking the drugs. so don't be afraid of drugs because of that kind of thing.
 

thomsbrain

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Originally posted by: totalcommand

With all that going on, I doubt anti-depressants would help on their own. Counseling is really needed. Maybe its time to tell the parents.

i'd just like to point out that counseling and psychotherapy are completely different.

the OP needs psychotherapy, not counseling. most counselors have an unrelated masters degree at BEST. psychotherapy requires a minimum of a specialized masters plus a state license, and a "psychologist" needs a PhD. or PsyD. plus a state license.
 

aidanjm

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sounds like you need some assistance to re-build your social skills. Because of your illnesses, you have missed out on most of the social experiences that people go thru during their school years. So that makes things difficult for you. also there must be other issues surrounding what you have gone through. I don't know where the best place is to get help, tho. Maybe a psychologist or counsellor. Not sure how you would go about getting access to a counsellor or psychologist, tho. Depends on the country you live in, whether the medical system there is willing to fund those kinds of things. I spose there are other sources of assistance, like self-help books, the Oprah show (seriously! she is good for the mood, she can be quite uplifting), on-line forums and discussion lists, etc.
 

Regs

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All depends on the dosage. I take anti-anxiety pills, which are pretty much the exact same thing as anti-depressants, except given in lower doses. I take 50mg's of Zoloft daily, and the noticeable side effect I have is I sleep like im comatose at night. I need a bucket of water in my face to wake me up in the morning. It also can make me dopy at times if I don't get enough sleep. It's important to sleep a full night when you are on these drugs because you can zone out quite easily in dream world during the day.

Basically the drug makes me feel like I don't give a crap about anything. Even though I still worry or I'm concerned, it doesn't come with the physical side effects like getting red in the face or getting down on myself after someone talked crap about me or even become jumpy or anxious during times you would normally be nervous. It's great for people who are shy or have severe social anxiety. However developing social skills takes more than just a pill. Which is why aidanjm's advice for consuling should be taking seriously.

My doctor says for a depressed patient it would take at least 200mg daily. I can't imagine that because your focus would likely be noticeable impaired and you would likely become very fatigued. However the one thing I like about Zoloft is that it's not a benzodiapin like xanax which decreases your heart rate. However whenever you come off Zoloft, you can go through a big withdraw phase. Which is likely what causes suicide in the other cases.
 
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