Anti immigrant riots in the UK and our weak open border policy in America

[Meghan54]

Anecdotal eh?

Tell that to the guy robbed by a pack of anecdotal criminals that anecdotally robbed him!

The ringleader was 11 years old!

When did you live in/are living in NYC?

 

[VashHT]

I mean would it really matter to you if you were robbed by a citizen or an immigrant? I know I wouldn't be thinking about someone's citizenship status if they robbed me. This is just some impossible criteria right wingers use, if there's any crime committed by immigrants at all they say that it wouldn't have happened if that entire group wasn't here, completely ignoring the fact that it's impossible to have zero crime.

 

[pmv]

RWNJs don't understand 'per capita'.

I think that's the main factor.
(I think I've made this observation before here)

There was a time when I started noticing, both from the local paper, and from the big police signs they used to put up in the street appealing for witnesses, an alarming number of murders were occurring in the general vicinity of where I live, and on streets I regularly walked down (scariest one was a sign asking if anyone had witnessed the victim being set on fire in the street).

Really got me thinking maybe the murder rate here is scary-high. But when I looked up the stats, it seemed the murder rate was actually relatively low, lower than most US cities, for example, and not the worst even in the UK. And looking more closely it seemed the murders I had noticed in the paper and saw signs about in the streets constituted literally _all_ the murders that had occurred in the neighbourhood over the year. It _seemed_ like a lot simply because there are a lot of people living in the area. Per capita the rate wasn't, in fact, unusually high.

What it does mean, though, is that if you are in a high-population-density area, almost _every_ kind of human behaviour will occur quite a lot not far from you. You don't get many murders in empty places where there are no people to do the murdering or to be murdered. So it's not entirely an illusion or a misunderstanding. You are more likely to experience, or witness, or just read about, all sorts of things, good and bad, happening geographically not far from you, if you live where lots of people live.

 

[FelixDeCat]

When did you live in/are living in NYC?

I haven't. However I live in the DFW metroplex, a fairly large area with our share of crime. But we have a saying around these parts... lock 'em up!

 

[ch33zw1z]

Anecdotal eh?

Tell that to the guy robbed by a pack of anecdotal criminals that anecdotally robbed him!

The ringleader was 11 years old!

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rhetological-fallacies/

Your response here falls under appeal to emotion fallacy, along with confirmation bias.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I haven't. However I live in the DFW metroplex, a fairly large area with our share of crime. But we have a saying around these parts... lock 'em up!

Irrelevant, the numbers don’t lie. Why do you ignore the reported crime rates?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Irrelevant, the numbers don’t lie. Why do you ignore the reported crime rates?

That's life in the big city. I just call the cops. 👮‍♂️

 

[Indus]

That's life in the big city. I just call the cops. 👮‍♂️

The Russkies are to blame..

 

[ch33zw1z]

That's life in the big city. I just call the cops. 👮‍♂️

Your reply doesn’t make any sense.

 

[Trell]

I haven't. However I live in the DFW metroplex, a fairly large area with our share of crime. But we have a saying around these parts... lock 'em up!

It seems like DFW is les safe/has more crime than NYC:

Crime Comparison Between Dallas, TX, United States And New York, NY, United States. Safety Comparison.

www.numbeo.com

 

[HomerJS]

That's life in the big city. I just call the cops. 👮‍♂️

Did you read my post on the top cities for violent crime?

Someone being the victim of crime does not mean crime is rampant. There are people everyday that go hungry, but we don't have a rampant hunger problem in the US.

Did you ever answer the definition of

open border
secure border

and not in the context of a particular President.

 

[Fenixgoon]

a coworker was complaining today about migrant violence (despite the statistics being that migrants are far less likely to be perpetrators of crime than US citizens). in particular it was a story about a little girl who was raped (i'd say the odds he read this on fox news are damn near 100%). i reminded him that women, sadly, are much more likely to be victims of violence from someone they know than a random person. yes, violence all around is bad. trying to dehumanize people is also bad - and that's exactly what fox does.

 

[Amused]

I haven't. However I live in the DFW metroplex, a fairly large area with our share of crime. But we have a saying around these parts... lock 'em up!

Your city is significantly more dangerous than NYC.

 

[iRONic]

a coworker was complaining today about migrant violence (despite the statistics being that migrants are far less likely to be perpetrators of crime than US citizens). in particular it was a story about a little girl who was raped (i'd say the odds he read this on fox news are damn near 100%). i reminded him that women, sadly, are much more likely to be victims of violence from someone they know than a random person. yes, violence all around is bad. trying to dehumanize people is also bad - and that's exactly what fox does.

Ask him his opinion of this non-migrant child rapist in Rachacha, NY. :

Child rapist ex-cop’s 10-weekend US jail sentence called ‘epitome of injustice’

Prominent advocate for child abuse survivors said sentence for former New York officer Shawn Jordan is ‘dangerous’

www.theguardian.com

 

[HomerJS]

@FelixDeCat Did it occur to you some people are claiming crime is running rampant because they are being told crime is out of control under Biden. It starts a feedback loop that you are buying into.


Look carefully again at what we have shown you

 

[fskimospy]

@FelixDeCat Did it occur to you some people are claiming crime is running rampant because they are being told crime is out of control under Biden. It starts a feedback loop that you are buying into.


Look carefully again at what we have shown you

What's funny is that Biden has reversed the Trump crime wave but conservatives like to pretend the opposite.

In reality crime went way up under Trump and has come way down under Biden. This is an indisputable fact.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Your city is significantly more dangerous than NYC.
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Funny, I though a bunch of gun carrying peeps would mean there’s less crime, amirite?

 

[FelixDeCat]

It seems like DFW is les safe/has more crime than NYC:

Crime Comparison Between Dallas, TX, United States And New York, NY, United States. Safety Comparison.

www.numbeo.com

@FelixDeCat Did it occur to you some people are claiming crime is running rampant because they are being told crime is out of control under Biden. It starts a feedback loop that you are buying into.


Look carefully again at what we have shown you

Well...at least we are not Burkina Faso (Disputed Zone).

 

[Amused]

Well...at least we are not Burkina Faso (Disputed Zone).

The echo chamber you wallow in has outright lied to you and convinced you of the exact opposite of objective reality.

You'd think that would make you step back and question from where and whom you get your information.

 

[iRONic]

Well...at least we are not Burkina Faso (Disputed Zone).

Goddamn, 🤡boy you moved those goal posts all the way to the other side of the world!

 

[FelixDeCat]

What's funny is that Biden has reversed the Trump crime wave but conservatives like to pretend the opposite.

In reality crime went way up under Trump and has come way down under Biden. This is an indisputable fact.

The Biden crime wave swept America as liberals refused to jail people for retail theft. See: San Fransisco.

 

[fskimospy]

The Biden crime wave swept America as liberals refused to jail people for retail theft. See: San Fransisco.

This is simply untrue. Crime went way up under Trump and way down under Biden.

Why are you trying to deny plainly verifiable reality?

 

[ch33zw1z]

The Biden crime wave swept America as liberals refused to jail people for retail theft. See: San Fransisco.

https://imgur.com/a/HGC3Vq3

SMH, saying something doesn’t mean it’s true.

 

[Amused]

The Biden crime wave swept America as liberals refused to jail people for retail theft. See: San Fransisco.

I see you're believing the exact opposite of reality again.

Crime per capita DROPPED under Biden. Crime trends changed and theft rings started shop lifting in brazen mobs rather than discreetly.

Shoplifting in some isolated areas have seen moderate increases because of this.

You can blame eBay for that. eBay needs to stop allowing resale of new goods without proof of legal purchase.

 

[pmv]

On the topic of the riots, I'm not quite sure how to interpret these stats

How fake claims over Southport suspect spread like wildfire with false name seen more than 420,000 times

Exclusive: Riots across England were sparked by fake claims on social media about the suspects background – we look at just how widely that misinformation was shared

uk.yahoo.com

When they say "false name seen more than 420,000 times", do they mean 420,000 different individuals viewing the name, or, say, the same 1,000 people seeing the name mentioned on 420 different posts?

Still, despite the slightly-vague way its described, it seems a scarily-rapid spread of inflammatory complete fiction. I wonder if there was a concerted effort behind it, involving bots and maybe 'state actors' or if it was just overexcitable prejudiced people posting rumours in an uncoordinated fashion?

I also wonder if Mr Ali Al-Shakati was also involved in the Bowling Green Massacre? Clearly he's a scary dude, and they still haven't caught him.