CNN.com
Damn, beat me to it.
Why do you hate black people and other minorities?oh look, a Nazi coward
sorry, you're twatwaffen speak only spins one way. I was going to say nice try, but it really wasn't.Why do you hate black people and other minorities?
Why do you hate black people and other minorities?
The county confirmed it via Twitter.
https://twitter.com/Hennepin/status/897555911186804737
There's no excuse for that guy who ran over and killed the lady at the protest. However, antifa has no problem mixing it up and getting violent. There's plenty of video evidence of that. If you think that Antifa just sits around peacefully until they see a violent act, and that their violence after that is entirely in response, you're quite mistaken. Even Chris Matthews acknowledged that.
Yes, Antifa is your precious, little group, with no hate in their heart. Give me a break!Thanks. And I know, Antifa isn't passive -- I'm not excusing provocative attacks, or stunts like this. It's more the underlying motivations. If Antifa had its way... well, what? Trump would be out and white supremacists would be afraid to take to the streets. If the people at the Unite the Right march had their way? Every non-white person in the US would fear for their life. The ends don't justify the means, but only one of those sides has a decent end.
So you condemn "that guy", but you're cool with all the other Nazis?
But that big bad Antifa has got you pissing your pants, eh?
Keep Fear Alive.
Yes, Antifa is your precious, little group, with no hate in their heart. Give me a break!
To the extent they remain peaceful, yes. Just as with antifa.
No. I'm saying that violence from antifa is no less condemnable than violence from any other group.
Yes, Antifa is your precious, little group, with no hate in their heart. Give me a break!
well, when this thread was posted by piss-stream, it was from the image I posted. Then he changed it to reflect the horrible hypocrisy of the democrats for embracing robert byrd, which was easily negated by byrds own words condemning the klan and it's ideologies.Just noticed the really funny avatar for a faithful member of the trump klan/nazi defense force.
ROFL - He joined and participated in the KKK - deflect much?Didn't say that, just that their ultimate goal is decidedly nicer. And that you're trying to peddle a bullshit false equivalency so that you don't have to deal with the uncomfortable reality that the Trump camp is an enabler of racism.
well, when this thread was posted by piss-stream, it was from the image I posted. Then he changed it to reflect the horrible hypocrisy of the democrats for embracing robert byrd, which was easily negated by byrds own words condemning the klan and it's ideologies.
ROFL - He joined and participated in the KKK - deflect much?
Can you clarify? Is there any acceptable violence?To the extent they remain peaceful, yes. Just as with antifa.
No. I'm saying that violence from antifa is no less condemnable than violence from any other group.
Can you elaborate on these peaceful Nazis?To the extent they remain peaceful, yes. Just as with antifa.
lol@ peaceful nazis, that's like 'empathetic tribunal of the holy office of the inquisition'Can you elaborate on these peaceful Nazis?
I must assume you don't see their philosophy on its own as violent then?
Thanks. And I know, Antifa isn't passive -- I'm not excusing provocative attacks, or stunts like this. It's more the underlying motivations. If Antifa had its way... well, what? Trump would be out and white supremacists would be afraid to take to the streets. If the people at the Unite the Right march had their way? Every non-white person in the US would fear for their life. The ends don't justify the means in either case, but only one of those sides has a decent end.
Can you elaborate on these peaceful Nazis?
I must assume you don't see their philosophy on its own as violent then?
I agree that the aims of neo nazis and the KKK are certainly worse than the aims of antifa, insofar as I understand antifa's aims.
Permit me a long digression:
There's something about all this that makes me very nervous. The real Nazis didn't ride to power simply because they were given air to breathe. They rose to power in part because they were violently opposed, in their case, by the communist party. I don't place the blame for Nazi horrors at the feet of communists. I illustrate that this two-way violence forced people in a sense to take sides in what was actually a false dichotomy. Choose the extreme left, or the extreme right. Membership in both groups swells and things escalate.
Psychologically there's a strong impulse to defend the worst actions of the people on your team, even if they are forced on your team. I think any honest person will admit this. I am not a white supremacist, yet when I see leftists lumping me in with them I am tempted to rationalize their actions, and it takes discomfort and and no small of amount of sheer willpower to admit that your side was in the wrong, even though you don't really think they're on your side.
My point is, even ordinary, level-headed people can be forced into taking sides with the crazies if the psychological price of not doing so is high enough.
Antifa apparently thinks that denying Neo-Nazis space and air is necessary to defeat them. I think they're completely wrong, and are doing precisely the thing that is likely to swell the ranks of the true fascists, and therefore swell their own ranks, and bring further escalation and violence, which really does inch us closer to the types of conditions in which the Nazis seized power.
White supremacy, the KKK, neo-nazis and whatever other nasty ideology has been with us for a long time before antifa ever came around. We've never been on the precipice of a Fourth Reich simply because a few hundred idiots spouted nonsense and were permitted to rally somewhere for a day.
The ones in the rally who abstained from violence, if any did.
Not sure what you mean. Violence to me is an act, not an idea. There should be no crime in believing in Nazi teachings, until you actually put those ideas into violent action.
At what point does it count as violent action?
The law stipulates that evidence of a plan for violence can constitute a crime. Do you find that to be government overreach?
Are threats non-violence speech in your view?
I believe they prefer to be called twatwaffen