Antifa - left wing scum

[urvile]

So antifa was not there to fight Nazis? Like... they were just out for a stroll and got accosted by some KKK?

Exactly.

I am adding to the quality of this discussion by including this picture of a watch. It was made in der vaterland so I thought you might enjoy it.

 

[pmv]

Man Who Was Allegedly Stabbed For His Neo-Nazi Haircut Actually Stabbed Himself

http://gizmodo.com/man-who-was-alle...source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
It would seem you're wrong. Again. Never stop being a moron. You're good at it.

Clearly he was a very committed anti-Nazi, who strongly disapproved of his own choice of haircut.

 

[Ackmed]

Oh sure, now you mind the nomenclature. Read back, pretty sure I wasn't the first to use the term in this thread.

You're ignoring 9 years of the right and their descent into madness.

Carry on, the lefties are the real problem, etc..

Sad.

I always mind the derogatory usage of the term retard. You used it in a reply to me, so I responded to you about it. I have mentioned it to others as well.

I am not ignoring anything. Its ok to be not 100% happy with both dems and repubs you know. I never said the lefties were the "real problem". Fractions of both certainly are a problem. I simply pointed out the blatant violence of some of the extreme left. That is what this thread is about. I have also said the extreme right does the same thing. That going back and forth will not solve anything. That violence in a protest will not solve anything. This isnt about trying to prove who is more in the wrong, they're both wrong. They are both making this worse, not better. On paper the message from the white supremacist and kkk members to me is "more wrong" than the message from the antifa. There is no mention of beating someone who doesn't agree with them, yet that is what they're doing. No mention of shutting down freedom of speech, yet that is what they're doing. Calling for violence to stop shouldn't be a bad thing, yet around here it is. Some on the left want the violence and is ok with it, yet when reversed are suddenly morally opposed to it.

Oh no. Please don't stop responding to me. How will you justify your existence? Do you think the nazi that drove his car into a crowd of innocent people was wrong? Or is his behaviour acceptable in your little version of reality.

You make more claims that you cannot back up. Why not answer the simple question?

The fact that you think all of the violence shown from the left is fake news from the media, and that violence from the right is real tells me a lot. Video evidence does not support your claim. Although not enough to tell me if you are simply trolling, really are that ignorant, or that you have some sort of learning problem.

I have already said that I think the guy driving into the car was wrong. In this thread and another. I dont think anyone on these forums said he was in the right. I did not say his behavior was acceptable.

Meanwhile, you still don't respond to simple questions I have asked you. So yeah, keep on acting and I will stop responding. Its not a threat, not a take my ball home thing, its that you are making accusations that I asked you to prove or explain and you do not. You make posts that are absolute fallacies, with proof that proves you wrong. You troll and insult, with nothing of substance. I just don't want to, and don't have to deal with it. Continue like you are, and I will.

Innocent? Don't want to be treated like a Nazi? Don't march with them. Don't rally to preserve the symbols of white supremacy. Don't give us the coy "Muh Southern Heritage!" routine, either. We all know who raised those monuments & why- to send a message to black Americans about gettin' uppity.

Once again, not everyone at a rally is a nazi. Not everyone there is a white supremacist. Just like not everyone is a violence antifa thug. Different groups of people go to the same rallies. You can't lump everyone together. I know it makes it easier for you, but that is not how it works.

Even so, if someone is protesting (you know as is their right) and is doing so legally, using violence against them is wrong, and also illegal. The fact that you are ok with someone getting beaten because you don't like their opinion is pretty pathetic. But that is your stance, and you are not going to change. At least until it happens the other way that is. So no real need in going over and over it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yeah that blatant lefty violence, how will we ever survive.

If I'm to believe right wing news sites, lefties are snowflakes, so excuse me while I prepare for the blizzard, lead by a giant storm of liberal tears.

I'll lump anyone marching with nazis as a nazi. And they're claiming they belong to the right, and enabled by our current administration and supporters.

Sorry if full retard is offensive to you, let me follow in our great presidents foot steps, fuck your feels.

 

[Ackmed]

Yeah that blatant lefty violence, how will we ever survive.

If I'm to believe right wing news sites, lefties are snowflakes, so excuse me while I prepare for the blizzard, lead by a giant storm of liberal tears.

I'll lump anyone marching with nazis as a nazi. And they're claiming they belong to the right, and enabled by our current administration and supporters.

Sorry if full retard is offensive to you, let me follow in our great presidents foot steps, fuck your feels.

Not all news is good news, surely you know this. There are heavily bias right wing news sites. Same as for the left. The truth is in the middle somewhere.

So everyone "marching with" antifa are violent thugs beating helpless people in the street too? No, that is not how it works. People can be in the same area, and not together. Even if they are, it is wrong to beat them with clubs like a baby seal in the street. That is not supposed to be who we are.

"Full retard" or any other derogatory usage of the word "retard" is offensive. Making fun of someone for being mentally handicapped is pretty sad, but carry on. That seems to be ok with you. Just as beating innocent people in the street. Especially when they are not breaking any laws. I don't always like what people say, protest about, speak about, but if done legally it is their right. When we start assaulting people simply because we don't agree with their words, we all lose. It is never ok. But just like jhhhn, only until its reversed. Then suddenly you will have a problem with it. When that too would be wrong.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If you're marching with antifa, you're with antifa. If you're marching with nazis, you're a nazi.

Carry on, now you're just taking what I'm saying and typing it back. So guess you're done with you're sanity check.

The right went off the rails when Obama was elected. Look at their state now.

Your feigned offense to the term full retard is amusing at best.

 

[zinfamous]

Because they all wear that right? No. The fact is they do not know who they are attacking all the time. Not everyone who goes to a rally is a Nazi, kkk member, etc. But since you are ok with a Nazi being punched in the face, you're ok with an innocent person being assaulted too. Since that is part of the overflow. The simple fact that you condone the violence is very telling, and sad.

Good point, and that should be Trump's new motto for all the Trumptards that attend his rallies: "Hey, not all of us are Nazis! (but only Nazis are made to feel comfortable here.)"

As to the second point, Nazis aren't innocent people. Never were and never will be. They are Nazis and they deserve to be punched in the face. Always.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I always mind the derogatory usage of the term retard. You used it in a reply to me, so I responded to you about it. I have mentioned it to others as well.

I agree that the use of the term 'retard' is derogatory and not okay. We can stand united on this.

I am not ignoring anything. Its ok to be not 100% happy with both dems and repubs you know. I never said the lefties were the "real problem". Fractions of both certainly are a problem. I simply pointed out the blatant violence of some of the extreme left. That is what this thread is about. I have also said the extreme right does the same thing. That going back and forth will not solve anything. That violence in a protest will not solve anything. This isnt about trying to prove who is more in the wrong, they're both wrong.

There are fringe groups on both sides causing problems. That has always been true everywhere.

The problem we are pointing out is that the 'fringe' groups on the right are becoming alarmingly mainstream. They are no longer really fringe, they are increasingly becoming the party leaders, while the fringe groups on the left remain fringe, and are for the most part not encouraged by the mainstream party or party supporters. While leaders of the right are either encouraging or making excuses for the violence from the left. The President of the United States has repeatedly called for his followers to harm people that disagree with him. I have never heard any Democratic leader make that sort of statement, even in jest.

Once again, not everyone at a rally is a nazi. Not everyone there is a white supremacist. Just like not everyone is a violence antifa thug. Different groups of people go to the same rallies. You can't lump everyone together. I know it makes it easier for you, but that is not how it works.

If you go to Emancipation Park to protest a statue of Robert E Lee being taken down you are either a white supremacist or a dedicated ally of them. There simply is not many ways to spin this that doesn't come down to that.
That statue is was literally put up to remind minorities that they are not really welcome.

 

[pmv]

It pains me to agree with Ackmed about anything, but the use of 'retard' does make me wince , even though its become commonplace now.

I reckon it's a question of age, as I can clearly remember when 'retarded' was supposed to be a neutral descriptor for a condition, hence it still carries connotations of its original meaning, hence the wincing.

(As opposed to words like 'imbecile' or 'moron' which crossed over into simple abuse long before my time, so don't bother me in the same way).

Once again, not everyone at a rally is a nazi. Not everyone there is a white supremacist. Just like not everyone is a violence antifa thug. Different groups of people go to the same rallies. You can't lump everyone together. I know it makes it easier for you, but that is not how it works.

This, on the other hand, is absurd. If you go to a far-right rally organised for a far-right cause, other than to protest (or perhaps as a journalist) you are supporting Nazis.

In the case of Charlottesville the 'different groups' spanned the gamut from fans of the Third Reich to KKK supporters (with some militia gun-nuts along to 'keep the peace' supposedly). I see little harm in lumping those sorts of groups together.

 

[FelixDeCat]

lol

 

[agent00f]

So you made an accusation & a threat you refuse to back up, that you've never backed up the many times you were challenged to do so.

Which brings us right back around to the fact that it's personal attack via scurrilous innuendo. Unless you can back it up, which you obviously can't do, or you would.

It's easy enough for you to answer that you'll stop lying about this if the links are produced, same as they were the last few times. No mystery why you won't same as refusing to consider birthers or jim crow monument fans racist, just like the conservatives.

Innocent? Don't want to be treated like a Nazi? Don't march with them. Don't rally to preserve the symbols of white supremacy. Don't give us the coy "Muh Southern Heritage!" routine, either. We all know who raised those monuments & why- to send a message to black Americans about gettin' uppity.

Why shouldn't they be racist? It's not as if people like you will ever call them out on it.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's easy enough for you to answer that you'll stop lying about this if the links are produced, same as they were the last few times. No mystery why you won't same as refusing to consider birthers or jim crow monument fans racist, just like the conservatives.




Why shouldn't they be racist? It's not as if people like you will ever call them out on it.

Sounds peachy, except that I haven't lied about anything & you've never produced links to anything that supports your accusations. If I had done as you say I'm sure you would quote chapter & verse instead of using this childish maneuver of threatening to expose something that doesn't exist.

Highly amusing how you quote me calling out racists & claim that I won't call them out in your reply. It's so... special.

 

[agent00f]

Sounds peachy, except that I haven't lied about anything & you've never produced links to anything that supports your accusations. If I had done as you say I'm sure you would quote chapter & verse instead of using this childish maneuver of threatening to expose something that doesn't exist.

Highly amusing how you quote me calling out racists & claim that I won't call them out in your reply. It's so... special.

Sure, where you point out racists in the GOP are one in million and a few bad apples, in total complicity with the GOP. If you disagree with that, it's easy enough to point out how racist birtherism and such are, but you won't.

It's also easy enough to agree to stop lying that I never produce evidence when I do, but you won't. Keep in mind these are the same arguments I used effectively against buckshot.

 

[Ackmed]

If you're marching with antifa, you're with antifa. If you're marching with nazis, you're a nazi.

Carry on, now you're just taking what I'm saying and typing it back. So guess you're done with you're sanity check.

The right went off the rails when Obama was elected. Look at their state now.

Your feigned offense to the term full retard is amusing at best.

Actually you are agreeing with me now.

Its not feigned offense to the derogatory use of "retard" to insult someone. I am offended by it. Its a form of bigotry. You're mocking someone for being born with a mental disability. Being born a certain way that they cannot help. Similar to mocking someone for being born with a certain skin color, gender, where they are from, etc. Its the same thing. But keep on thinking that you are morally superior or that its different. You're not. You're not the only one here who does it either, you can take solace in that I suppose.

It pains me to agree with Ackmed about anything, but the use of 'retard' does make me wince , even though its become commonplace now.

I reckon it's a question of age, as I can clearly remember when 'retarded' was supposed to be a neutral descriptor for a condition, hence it still carries connotations of its original meaning, hence the wincing.

(As opposed to words like 'imbecile' or 'moron' which crossed over into simple abuse long before my time, so don't bother me in the same way).



This, on the other hand, is absurd. If you go to a far-right rally organised for a far-right cause, other than to protest (or perhaps as a journalist) you are supporting Nazis.

In the case of Charlottesville the 'different groups' spanned the gamut from fans of the Third Reich to KKK supporters (with some militia gun-nuts along to 'keep the peace' supposedly). I see little harm in lumping those sorts of groups together.

I too remember when the term "retarded" was used all the time. I used it all the time. I think we can grow, bettering ourselves, and what used to be common place is now considered wrong, where it was mainstream before. Same as calling someone "gay" as a normal insult in the past. It the 90's it was very popular. That should never have been ok, but was. In todays world it is not considered ok by most, and should not be.

Again, not every rally is organized by the far right cause. Not every rally is for the purpose of showing support for a confederate statue. Groups show up at rally, take advantage of the opportunity. It was very clear what the Berkley rally was for, they denounced the attacked in NC, the people who acted out like that.

You mentioned journalist, there is video of them saying to take a journalists gear, camera and mic. They're suppressing free speech in different ways.

I don't like how the far right thinks, what they stand for. By far the vast majority of the US does not. That does not mean that they do not have the right to assemble, the right to free speech. Those rights go to every citizen. As long as now laws are broken. When we start legislating what someone can think or say with bats and street justice, we're going backwards. Its happened before, it did not turn out well. Because then it transfers to other discussions, and goes downhill fast.

We had a protest last Saturday too, that went much differently that the Berkley one did. The protest was about defending a statue of a confederate soldier. There was less than 40 people there to support the defense of it, and 2,800 to oppose it. Almost a 70-1 ratio in favor of being there to take it down. One arrest was made for trying to run past a check point and not listening to cops. No fights, no assaults. 300 cops there who did their job, unlike Berkley which were told to stand down. That is how it is supposed to work. There was yelling, there were signs, there were arguments on both sides. Nobody got hurt. The good guys outnumbered the bad guys, and made their point. That is how freedom of speech is supposed to work. Not beating someone with bats as they lay helplessly in the street, because they don't think like you do. That is not what this country is supposed to be about.

The fact that so many people are ok with, even glad that people get beaten for this is troubling and sad. They're also hypocrites, because they wouldn't feel the same if the discussion was over something different. I am not defending their cause, their beliefs, their ideas, or anything else. The only thing I am defending is that they have the right to assemble and to the freedom of speech. There are many things I don't agree with, but I still support their rights to say their piece.

People here are glad that other people burned to death last year in a wildfire. Because they think they voted for Trump. This is ok with you? Its the same line of thinking about the protests and violence. People are glad that others just died in the floods in the last few days, a professor just got dismissed for saying that they deserve it for how they voted. He is ok with people drowning to death, because of how he thinks they voted. I would have used a CNN link, but they didn't report that. If you can believe that, I know, shocking.

Its obvious that some people will be ok with the beating of others for the words that they use, and the thoughts that they think. All the while thinking that they are being morally superior, when they are not. I am tired of going around and around about it. I have explained it as well as I know how, which admittedly I am not the best at. An event will take place in the future where the shoe will be on the other foot, and their opinion of the exact same situation will be different. Which will make them hypocrites.

 

[Jhhnn]

Sure, where you point out racists in the GOP are one in million and a few bad apples, in total complicity with the GOP. If you disagree with that, it's easy enough to point out how racist birtherism and such are, but you won't.

It's also easy enough to agree to stop lying that I never produce evidence when I do, but you won't. Keep in mind these are the same arguments I used effectively against buckshot.

This would be a good time to post any evidence you say you have. Hit me with your best shot. Please. I welcome it so that I may correct any misperceptions I may have generated.

 

[agent00f]

This would be a good time to post any evidence you say you have. Hit me with your best shot. Please. I welcome it so that I may correct any misperceptions I may have generated.

You know exactly were you argued that charlottesville shows just how few white nationalists there are, certainly after the last time I posted the link. So let's not play these little degen games, even if you can now appreciate why they do in lieu of a better alternative.

 

[Jhhnn]

You know exactly were you argued that charlottesville shows just how few white nationalists there are, certainly after the last time I posted the link. So let's not play these little degen games, even if you can now appreciate why they do in lieu of a better alternative.

I pointed out that it was a piss poor showing on their part, a lousy 300 monument defenders out of 300M people for a much ballyhooed rally. There are probably more than that at any given Trump rally. I certainly haven't defended them as you claim.

The monument of Jim Crow? Tear 'em all down. Black Americans shouldn't have to look up to them.

 

[agent00f]

I pointed out that it was a piss poor showing on their part, a lousy 300 monument defenders out of 300M people for a much ballyhooed rally. There are probably more than that at any given Trump rally. I certainly haven't defended them as you claim.

Oh, for all the degen/buckshot theatrics now you suddenly remember, I wonder why that was.

And no, it's part and parcel of your "GOP is totally-not-racist" line to argue that white nationalism is literally one in a million, despite the pervasive support from the top all the way down. Hell, even the dumbest democrats are arguing their case for them.

The monument of Jim Crow? Tear 'em all down. Black Americans shouldn't have to look up to them.

We get it, all the die-hard supporters of jim crow monuments are totally-not-racist, they're all just tricked by the 1% and the bad economy.

 

[jmagg]

"GOP is totally-not-racist"

GOP is "not -totally-racist"

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh, for all the degen/buckshot theatrics now you suddenly remember, I wonder why that was.

And no, it's part and parcel of your "GOP is totally-not-racist" line to argue that white nationalism is literally one in a million, despite the pervasive support from the top all the way down. Hell, even the dumbest democrats are arguing their case for them.



We get it, all the die-hard supporters of jim crow monuments are totally-not-racist, they're all just tricked by the 1% and the bad economy.

I believe this is the comment in question-

The whole effort on the part of the White Supremacists is actually pretty pitiful. These guys came from all over the country to participate & only a few hundred did so.

Each one is a one in a million special snowflake...

See? I helped you out, once you made a claim of any specificity at all. It was a tactical error on your part because you need to keep it all as vague as possible to keep up an argument.

 

[ivwshane]

I believe this is the comment in question-



See? I helped you out, once you made a claim of any specificity at all. It was a tactical error on your part because you need to keep it all as vague as possible to keep up an argument.

I think the issue agent has with you (he can correct me if I'm wrong), is that you believe that only a small fraction of the right is racist.

I'm sure that there is in fact a small minority of the right who hold the actual view that whites are the superior race but I don't think you can claim is that the majority of the right and the GOP by extension, don't hold or support, what would be considered by minorities, to be racist views or the support of policies that enable racial inequality.

What agent is saying is that if you minimize such behavior by essentially pulling a trump (both sides bs) by saying that not all the people on the right are racist you are essentially enabling those with racist feelings who aren't full blown racist to continue thinking that their way of thinking is ok because at least they aren't "real racist".

For a party that's all about dog whistles, I think agent has a point.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Actually you are agreeing with me now.

Its not feigned offense to the derogatory use of "retard" to insult someone. I am offended by it. Its a form of bigotry. You're mocking someone for being born with a mental disability. Being born a certain way that they cannot help. Similar to mocking someone for being born with a certain skin color, gender, where they are from, etc. Its the same thing. But keep on thinking that you are morally superior or that its different. You're not. You're not the only one here who does it either, you can take solace in that I suppose.

Not everyone is born with a mental disability. Suck it up buttercup. May as well be a libtard.

Moral superiority? Well now, I must be a conservative.

There is no solace in this world. Take solace in that.

 

[agent00f]

GOP is "not -totally-racist"

Of course the capitalist-racist party isn't totally racist, but it's certainly more racist than their apologists will ever admit to no matter how many birtherism, mexican rapist, charlottesvilles, sheriff-joes, etc. Trump can talk about "detaining" minorities tomorrow on a stage with richard spencer, all the conservatives here can come to run interference for them, and Jhhnn and Jaskalas will still excuse them for fine people simply being tricked by the 1%. This is simply reality of the matter.

I believe this is the comment in question-
See? I helped you out, once you made a claim of any specificity at all. It was a tactical error on your part because you need to keep it all as vague as possible to keep up an argument.

It would help your case more to come up with a counterargument instead of continuing to lie that I didn't link you comment before:
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/how-to-tell-if-you-are-a-neo-nazi.2515731/page-4#post-39045181

 

[Jhhnn]

I think the issue agent has with you (he can correct me if I'm wrong), is that you believe that only a small fraction of the right is racist.

In that you would both be incorrect. I acknowledge a deep & stubborn streak of racism on the Right that grades from nothing to well conditioned fear of the unknown to outright hatred. White Americans seem to have some sort of cultural weakness in that regard, one oft exploited by by well financed right wing politicians & think tanks whose real goals are winning the top down class warfare they've waged for nearly 40 years. It's the same with all other Repub wedge issues intended to divide the majority of Americans so that they can continue to rule, at least part of the time. Agent employs the same divisive tactics in a different way, otherizing people who aren't racist or not really very racist at all. You'll also notice that he deflects away from criticism of the people who finance the slick propaganda that's warped so many minds.

Trump emboldens the worst of them, no doubt, and that's what's really dangerous. It's been virulent in the past. I'm honestly encouraged by so many people rising up to confront them & their hatefulness, even Antifa. They need to be pushed back into their holes from time to time, and this is one of them. Taking down Jim Crow monuments goes beyond that, denies them the power symbols that help keep it alive. We should have done it back in the 60's, struck when the iron was hottest.

 

[agent00f]

I think the issue agent has with you (he can correct me if I'm wrong), is that you believe that only a small fraction of the right is racist.

I'm sure that there is in fact a small minority of the right who hold the actual view that whites are the superior race but I don't think you can claim that the majority of the right and the GOP by extension, don't hold or support, what would be considered by minorities, to be racist views or the support of policies that enable racial inequality.

What agent is saying is that if you minimize such behavior by essentially pulling a trump (both sides bs) by saying that not all the people on the right are racist you are essentially enabling those with racist feelings who aren't full blown racist to continue thinking that their way of thinking is ok because at least they aren't "real racist".

For a party that's all about dog whistles, I think agent has a point.

I think Jhhnn understands that he's helping out the racists, he just prioritizes any effects of their racial resentment below sticking it to the wealthy, which is why he's going to persist. If I'm wrong he'll change his tune, but he won't, same as so many of the others here who know exactly what they're doing.