To the extent they remain peaceful, yes. Just as with antifa.
No. I'm saying that violence from antifa is no less condemnable than violence from any other group.
And here's a hint: whatever violence Antifa commits pales in comparison to what the 'alt-right' (read: racists) does. Oh no, Antifa burned a flag and replaced it! Meanwhile, racists in Charlottesville killed a protester with a car (and celebrated it online), and beat up numerous peaceful protesters. I'm not condoning violence by Antifa, but do you know what's a lot scarier than them? Neo-Nazis who want non-whites dead or exiled. Cowards like you enable them by deflecting and creating false equivalencies.
ROFL - He joined and participated in the KKK - deflect much?
Thanks. And I know, Antifa isn't passive -- I'm not excusing provocative attacks, or stunts like this. It's more the underlying motivations. If Antifa had its way... well, what? Trump would be out and white supremacists would be afraid to take to the streets. If the people at the Unite the Right march had their way? Every non-white person in the US would fear for their life. The ends don't justify the means in either case, but only one of those sides has a decent end.
I wish the fucking idiot anarchists running around in ninja outfits would just stay home. Violent confrontation is exactly what these people want. It gives them the opportunity to play the victim and paint all protesters as "the left". If you are being attacked, it proves that you are powerful and are fighting a just war against a mighty foe. This is what fuels their violence.
I think ridicule might be a better way to confront these people. More things like this. Also it is easier to keep the sense of power and purpose going when your speech about the importance of white supremacy is interrupted by angry shouts than when it is interrupted by thousands of counter protesters singing in unison as loud as they can a rousing rendition of the Oscar Meier Weiner song. It also doesn't make good footage for your facebook page. The emotion we should be pushing on them is shame and humiliation.
The only thing better than a tuba would be kazoos - and anyone can play a kazoo. Imagine the hate-mongers facing a crowd of peaceful people playing Ride of the Valkyries on kazoo ... badly. (To paraphrase Arlo Guthrie, you gotta hum louder if you want to stop the war.)
Also.. as our White supremacist marchers grow closer, please bring out your cameras and be sure to get really good pictures of all of their faces. Share these on social media and with the news media! See these Nazi's get fired from their jobs, shunned and humiliated by their family and friends! A fun and patriotic activity that will have you and your friends laughing for years to come!
Now folks, as they approach, remember, no violence. Don't threaten them, don't throw things, don't hit them. Just take lots and lots of pictures of these idiots and be sure to share them with the public!
Shame and humiliation is the way to go. It's just hard to get tempers down once people have started to get injured and killed by these idiots.
There is so much Antifa hate now... Before 2016 I doubt anyone had even heard that term before.
They have nothing to do with the Left--they are anarchists at the complete ass end of the political spectrum as far as I'm concerned. Women's March is not Antifa. BLM is not Antifa. There were some Antifa elements in the Occupy movement but that was largely a peaceful protest (albeit not permitted for their assembly and occupation of civic parks.)
These Anarchists behave been around for several decades...Usually you'd never see them on TV unless it was May Day in some European country somewhere.
How the fuck has being an anti fascist become a thing of contention?
It's like saying "Well yes, paedophiles are bad but..."
Bollocks.Are you daft? I'm absolutely anti fascist but the organization antifa does a lot more shit here in London than the EDL or BNP does. I suppose the football lads are comparable but they mainly just do it to each other.
Anti fascist != antifa
In fact, I'd say that antifa are fascists since they tolerate NO ideology but their own.
Bollocks.
When punches get thrown, guns get shot, cars get driven into crowds, etc.
A plan is quite different from an ideology or philosophy. Obviously that isn't government overreach.
However, people aren't charged with murder for planning to murder. The law distinguishes between the act and the plan to act.
They're non-violent in that no violence has yet occurred, but I can see the government viewing threats as a legal offense, just as with plans in your earlier question.
Oh really? Well you take the far left extremist anarcho-communist route and go hang out with antifa. Perhaps you can attack some libdems or tories because they attack those more than they ever attacked anyone else.
Or perhaps go celebrate the day of remembrance for the imprisoned rioters of the various G* meetings that they call comrades?
Fuck antifa, they are no anti fascists.
I wish the fucking idiot anarchists running around in ninja outfits would just stay home. Violent confrontation is exactly what these people want. It gives them the opportunity to play the victim and paint all protesters as "the left". If you are being attacked, it proves that you are powerful and are fighting a just war against a mighty foe. This is what fuels their violence.
I think ridicule might be a better way to confront these people. More things like this. Also it is easier to keep the sense of power and purpose going when your speech about the importance of white supremacy is interrupted by angry shouts than when it is interrupted by thousands of counter protesters singing in unison as loud as they can a rousing rendition of the Oscar Meier Weiner song. It also doesn't make good footage for your facebook page. The emotion we should be pushing on them is shame and humiliation.
The only thing better than a tuba would be kazoos - and anyone can play a kazoo. Imagine the hate-mongers facing a crowd of peaceful people playing Ride of the Valkyries on kazoo ... badly. (To paraphrase Arlo Guthrie, you gotta hum louder if you want to stop the war.)
Also.. as our White supremacist marchers grow closer, please bring out your cameras and be sure to get really good pictures of all of their faces. Share these on social media and with the news media! See these Nazi's get fired from their jobs, shunned and humiliated by their family and friends! A fun and patriotic activity that will have you and your friends laughing for years to come!
Now folks, as they approach, remember, no violence. Don't threaten them, don't throw things, don't hit them. Just take lots and lots of pictures of these idiots and be sure to share them with the public!
Shame and humiliation is the way to go. It's just hard to get tempers down once people have started to get injured and killed by these idiots.
It appears that the alt-left scum are allowed to run around without scrutiny. They are provided a pass by the mainstream media, and even those on this very forum. They refuse to believe that socialist, anarchist, communist is evil, and decry any forms of rational thought.
Alt-Left at it again
"Leftist "Antifa" protesters stormed a county government building in Minnesota, seized and burned the county flag - then replaced it with an Antifa flag - on Monday. After left-wing protesters marched through downtown Minneapolis, Minnesota in response to last weekend’s demonstrations in Charlottesville, Virginia, they hoisted the flag of the violent left-wing group “Antifa,” raising it in front of the county’s government center. The Hennepin County flag was swapped with Antifa’s, a spokeswoman for the county confirmed to CNSNews.com, and the event was caught on camera by a woman in the crowd, who posted the footage on Twitter. “Protesters gathered outside the Hennepin County Public Safety Facility. .."
(albeit not permitted for their assembly and occupation of civic parks.)
Oh really? Well you take the far left extremist anarcho-communist route and go hang out with antifa. Perhaps you can attack some libdems or tories because they attack those more than they ever attacked anyone else.
Or perhaps go celebrate the day of remembrance for the imprisoned rioters of the various G* meetings that they call comrades?
Fuck antifa, they are no anti fascists.
I just want to say how funny it is that the OP decided to create this thread condemning antifa while remaining absolutely silent on actual nazis.
What a victim.
Yep. Antifa was just exercising their right to free speech in exactly the same way that the alt-right claims they have the right to. I don't approve of it, I'm just making the point that the OP's claim to rationality is simply bonkers.
In the alt-right's grand utopia, the only freedom anyone will have is the freedom to be one of them.
How many people did they kill?
Bollocks.No, antifa are not using free speech. In any assembly against capitalism (which is 99% of their actions) they are the guys rioting and fighting with the peacekeepers.
Bollocks.
No, antifa are not using free speech. In any assembly against capitalism (which is 99% of their actions) they are the guys rioting and fighting with the peacekeepers.