about time democrat leaders stood up to the anarchy thugs.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/berkeley-mayor-classify-antifa-as-a-gang/
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/berkeley-mayor-classify-antifa-as-a-gang/
BERKELEY (CBS SF) — Mayor of Berkeley Jesse Arreguin on Monday said it is time to confront the violent extremism on the left by treating black-clad Antifa protesters as a gang.
A large number of masked Antifa activists were seen jumping the barriers at a largely peaceful demonstration in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Civic Center Park on Sunday.
Some began attacking Trump supporters at the rally.
“I think we should classify them as a gang,” said Arreguin. “They come dressed in uniforms. They have weapons, almost like a militia and I think we need to think about that in terms of our law enforcement approach.”
Finally a left wing politician with some courage to speak out against the double standard.
Absolutely hilarious. If Trump had immediately condemned only one side in Charlottesville like the idiots who hate him insisted he should, Antifa would continue operating under the radar attacking peaceful protesters with impunity. I can't even imagine how angry the hysterical left is over Trump's "many sides" and "alt-left" comments having such a devastating effect on them in record time like this
Is it acceptable to say that Klansman and Nazis are the worst, but relative to people like you and me, these black clad and masked anarchists are closer to them than us on the scum spectrum?Fucking Nazis & Klansmen are absolutely the worst. I mean, really. Trump's remarks were intended to obfuscate that. You echo his attempts.
It's not an attempt at equivalence to point out that opportunistic and violence minded gangs have no place at peaceful demonstrations.
Is it acceptable to say that Klansman and Nazis are the worst, but relative to people like you and me, these black clad and masked anarchists are closer to them than us on the scum spectrum?
It's not an attempt at equivalence to point out that opportunistic and violence minded gangs have no place at peaceful demonstrations.
When did I say that they are? The fact is that you're mocking someone born with a mental disability. Same as people mock others for being born with a skin color different from theirs. Its bigotry. You obviously don't care, and I am tired of explaining it to you.
I seem to recall many here being upset when they thought Trump mocked a retarded person during a speech. Yet many here mock retarded people all the time. Double standard, hypocritical, etc.
You and others here openly condone violence against all people going to a rally. Especially to those that support keeping confederate statues and monuments in place. You and others claim that everyone who does that, is a Nazi. When the term "Nazi" is very watered down today, and it overly used. Why don't you look up what they did, and compare. Or better yet, why don't you and others like you who want anyone at the rallies to be assaulted, explain why there are black people there to support keeping the confederate statues and monuments? According to you and them, they're Nazi's too. So they must think that whites are better than them, they must be racists and think that slavery should come back. I mean, that is what you and others are claiming of those who support keeping those things. Explain how some blacks want them kept, how polls show that. How there are groups fighting to keep them. I'm sure you have an answer.
http://nypost.com/2017/08/16/predominantly-black-group-fights-to-keep-confederate-statues-in-dallas/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...horrific-history-ellis-cose-column/584267001/
More blacks said to keep them, than to remove them. 44% to 40%, 11% were unsure. Surely they're Nazi too huh? That is what you and others are saying. Again, not all blacks want them removed. Some even go to rallies in support of keeping them. And again, you and others have claimed that anyone who does so is a Nazi. Please explain. I think I know the one answer that will come from you or another. The usual one, which is sad.
Its actually very far over your head. You flat out claim that any violence from the left shown in a video, or reported on by the media is fake news. That it never happened. That only violence from the right is real. Facts do not back this up. I have posted proof that you are wrong. You just keep digging the hole.
It is true that most people don't care about anyone else's random opinion on the internet. What you posted was factually incorrect. I didn't post opinion, I posted facts. You are wrong. Nobody else here is backing up your claim. You're all alone.
Once again I have never justified those who claim to be Nazi, or to have committed violence from the right side. Not once. Yet you keep saying I do. Again, more incorrect statements from you. You are wrong, proven by facts. And I am done with your nonsense.
Except they are being largely silent; http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-dire-warnings-about-right-wing-violence.html
Not that anyone will actually read that. They'll dismiss it as bullshit. Because they can't counter the points or facts in the article. Again, I would have used a CNN link... but you know. They didn't cover the violent assaults. When you know they would have been all over if it was the other way around. Like they have in the past. Everyone should be upset when either side suppresses free speech, and assaults the other at a protest. It is not ok no matter who does it. Yet that does not happen. Many are actually happy about it. They think that people deserve to die for how they cast their vote.
edit, jesus fucking Christ agent and jhhnn are annoying and ruining every damn thread going back and forth. Why don't you two take it to a pm or something. I feel like you two are posting 50% of the messages and worth putting you both on ignore.
Finally a left wing politician with some courage to speak out against the double standard.
Is it acceptable to say that Klansman and Nazis are the worst, but relative to people like you and me, these black clad and masked anarchists are closer to them than us on the scum spectrum?
It's not an attempt at equivalence to point out that opportunistic and violence minded gangs have no place at peaceful demonstrations.
You are correct that the alt-right picks locations they know will provoke the left, but provocation does not justify violence.Trump's remarks established false equivalence. And, let's face it, Alt-right Nazis & Klansmen pick places like Berkeley for their rallies to incite violence, not to avoid it. When the wannabee right wing racist authoritarians crawl back in their holes Antifa will cease to matter.
Trump apparently loves white supremacists the same way he loves the uneducated.
You are correct that the alt-right picks locations they know will provoke the left, but provocation does not justify violence.
Also, the Antifa provocateurs existed before Trump. If you could draw a Venn diagram of black block, anarchists, Occupy Wall Street and militant barristas, it would be a perfect circle. The knuckleheads of the left adopted the Antifa signage in response to the knuckleheads on the right embracing Nazi symbols.
It's not an attempt at equivalence to point out that opportunistic and violence minded gangs have no place at peaceful demonstrations.
@Jhhnn is hardly a hypocrite. He's actually quite consistent and rational.Exactly and I'm pretty sure Jhhnn knows that too, he's just a hypocrite.
@Jhhnn is hardly a hypocrite. He's actually quite consistent and rational.
Is it acceptable to say that Klansman and Nazis are the worst, but relative to people like you and me, these black clad and masked anarchists are closer to them than us on the scum spectrum?
It's not an attempt at equivalence to point out that opportunistic and violence minded gangs have no place at peaceful demonstrations.
Trump was wrong to establish false equivalence, and I don't subscribe to the #bothsides narrative. Nazis are the absolute bottom of the barrel. We all know who Trump was playing to with his comments.Closer to them? Yeah but that in no way means they are equivalent or in the same ballpark. That's like saying doctors are closer to Jeffery dommer than you or me because they both cut people.
I think it indeed was an attempt at equivalence as evident by the right who use similar talking points. Do you think trump just didn't use the best words? You do know that the "many sides" comment was an ad-lib right? Do you think the term"alt left" was an accurate descriptor too?
Trump was wrong to establish false equivalence, and I don't subscribe to the #bothsides narrative. Nazis are the absolute bottom of the barrel. We all know who Trump was playing to with his comments.
That doesn't mean violence minded anarchists are above criticism. We have another thread to sh!t on Trump for his essential endorsement of white supremists.
You are correct that the alt-right picks locations they know will provoke the left, but provocation does not justify violence.
Also, the Antifa provocateurs existed before Trump. If you could draw a Venn diagram of black block, anarchists, Occupy Wall Street and militant barristas, it would be a perfect circle. The knuckleheads of the left adopted the Antifa signage in response to the knuckleheads on the right embracing Nazi symbols.
Trump was wrong to establish false equivalence, and I don't subscribe to the #bothsides narrative. Nazis are the absolute bottom of the barrel. We all know who Trump was playing to with his comments.
That doesn't mean violence minded anarchists are above criticism. We have another thread to sh!t on Trump for his essential endorsement of white supremists.
That's fine and agreed, but do you find fault in anarchists attacking journalists as they did in Berkeley or throwing urine and rocks at the police as they did in Boston?I agree but I'm not going to fault anyone for not finding fault with anarchists when they are battling nazis and white supremacists.
That's fine and agreed, but do you find fault in anarchists attacking journalists as they did in Berkeley or throwing urine and rocks at the police as they did in Boston?
Useful idiots are still idiots. I think the FBI, Southern Poverty Law Center and DHS are far better equipped and more effective in dealing with hate groups over a bunch of knuckleheads wearing military surplus gear who would be the first to shy away from fighting a true fascist threat.I find fault with anarchist in general, the exception being when they go after other hate groups.
Useful idiots are still idiots. I think the FBI, Southern Poverty Law Center and DHS are far better equipped and more effective in dealing with hate groups over a bunch of knuckleheads wearing military surplus gear who would be the first to shy away from fighting a true fascist threat.
I figure that's because the cops get in the way. That's a good thing, for sure.I disagree, those entities are good at exposing the truth, they don't do much when it comes to combating said groups though.
I was listening to john howard on the radio this morning he was a liberal party prime minister for 13 years down here. Our political system is a bit different. It's the current government (party) that decides who is PM and he can be rolled at any moment and replaced but if the party keeps getting voted in and they have faith then the PM can be there forever. Anyway. He was talking about north korea and trump and how well he thought trump is doing on that issue. It is true that you have to condemn both sides provided you don't have a partisan view. Then it becomes impossible to condemn both sides because you are always right.
I grew up in a union household and back in my blue collar days I was a member of a union. Which practically makes me a card carrying member of the communist party. Why should workers rights get in the way of profits? Of course our minimum wage is ~15 bucks an hour and we do have one of the greatest evils ever perpetrated by man - universal health care.
So my union roots no doubt bias my opinions and if I had to choose sides I would go with the left rather than the right. Also voting is compulsory down here and I have never voted conservative. I should also point out that in aus the liberals are the conservatives and they seem to have lost their way somewhat especially in regards to taxing corporations but interestingly they don't oppose things like universal health care because there is no reason for them to do so.
It's not seen as a partisan issue. Admittedly our personal tax rates are quite high and I pay stupid amounts of tax but I am good with that. So in conclusion violence bad working together for the betterment of your nation and citizens good.
EDIT: I will just add that I still have private health insurance because things like dentistry and chiropractors aren't covered by medicare. It's not a magic system but it does provide a lot and it does ensure everyone has access to the best health care. Regardless of income.