Antikythera Mechanism

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zinfamous

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More evidence for my theory of older more advanced civilization predating recorded history...

lol, no. More evidence that a well-known civilization was far more advanced than we thought.

You know this is EXACTLY what I was referring to in your thread.

Stop hijacking reality and facts for your own delusional idiocy.

You might as well suggest that aliens put it there.
 

zinfamous

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The catholic church controlled Europe; what's the rest of the world's excuse for not having hover cars?

Islam?

but, do be fair, the most advanced scientific minds of the day existed in the Islamic parts of the world. They were surprisingly less burn-happy and thought-fearing than were their contemporary marauding Christians.
 

chuckywang

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Astronomy was a very important science in antiquity, and a lot of effort was spent on it by alot of people.

This cannot be stressed enough. Before the invention of electricity, all most people could do for half the day was stare up at the night sky. No wonder why astronomy was so prominent in ancient times.
 

techs

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The catholic church controlled Europe; what's the rest of the world's excuse for not having hover cars?

The mediterranean shores were only fertile in places, and those that were fertile were farmed to near depletion. The history of the Islamic empire during the Middle Ages can be directly attributed to this fact, and the fact that as western Europe was settled, at first there was great abundance, which fueled the crusades. However, it didn't take long for european lands to be overworked. So, during what were called the Dark Ages there was constant warfare between the Islamic and Christian world. The Ottomans couldn't break the european hold on the western med, so it was declining year by year as less and less resources were available.
 

zinfamous

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China was happy just the way it was and massively stagnated thinking they were the best anyone could ever be till europe came and slapped them around. The middle east actually surpased europe scienficially and was going good, but then they all went batshit insane and took massive steps back like europe did only even worse. Everywhere else never really made much of themselves compared to rome.

The Chinese were too busy holding off the Mongolians and other crazy nomadic invaders with their damn shitty wall.

Were it not for that, they could have--if they wanted to--conquered the known world quite easily.

The fuckers had god damn FLAME THROWERS some 1000 years before the west. Gun Powder some 800-1000 years, iirc.

 

AMDZen

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One of the remaining mysteries is why the Greek technology invented for the machine seemed to disappear. No other civilisation is believed to have created anything as complex for another 1,000 years.

Atlantis
 
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No ya don't....you do NOT get to use a work of fiction to prove anything.
Using the Bible to prove mythology is as bad as using Wikipedia for college papers...

I DO believe in the "great flood" however, but I'm a bit skeptical of the whole "Noah's Ark" bit...

Don't you watch Ancient Aliens? they addressed this. Noah's Ark was actually a space ship.
 
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20th century europeans were unable to move ancient Egyptian statues when the van aswan dam was built. Egypt finally ended up hiring the russians who had to saw the statues into sections in order to move them.

our best modern technology was not equal to 3,000 year old egyptian technology. Don't even mention the great pyramid in egypt, or machu picchu or angor wat or other ancient technological achievements, representing capabilities vastly surpassing the europeans you refer to (my own ancestors).

also are the open questions, unproved yet intriguing, like the vimanas described in anciant literature of india, some which supposedly traveled out into space.

europe was not the most advanced in the world tech speaking.

Large whips can motivate people to do amazing things.
 

destrekor

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Islam?

but, do be fair, the most advanced scientific minds of the day existed in the Islamic parts of the world. They were surprisingly less burn-happy and thought-fearing than were their contemporary marauding Christians.

Yep. In all fairness, Islam is, traditionally speaking, home to probably the largest collection of scientific people. Possibly not now, but the religion took hold because of some extremely smart people. And ironically enough, some of the most feared people pushing the religion today, are incredibly intelligent, at least in terms of science. Quite a few of the extremist leaders were well-off, had a very successful career in a tech, science, or medical field, and now they are just a little irritated.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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The Chinese were too busy holding off the Mongolians and other crazy nomadic invaders with their damn shitty wall.

Were it not for that, they could have--if they wanted to--conquered the known world quite easily.

The fuckers had god damn FLAME THROWERS some 1000 years before the west. Gun Powder some 800-1000 years, iirc.


If they were capable of conquering the world they wouldn't have had so much trouble dealing with some dirt poor nomads. Their inventions were always rudimentary. It was the middle east and europe that refined the inventions of china into the awesome tools they would be.
 

zinfamous

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If they were capable of conquering the world they wouldn't have had so much trouble dealing with some dirt poor nomads. Their inventions were always rudimentary. It was the middle east and europe that refined the inventions of china into the awesome tools they would be.

bear in mind that they were also busy fighting amongst themselves for some 500 or more years, trying to figure out who was in control of what, long before there was ever a concept of "China."

Rome and Persia succeeded so well b/c there was a single power structure. Once we know who is in charge, let's go out and start conquering. Much in the way that there was no concept of unification amongst the modern Italian states any time before or after the Roman empire (bear in mind that "Italy" was not a name that appeared in the history books before the late 19th century--technically speaking, the USA is an older country).

Ancient China had the military might that would have been more than capable of taking what they wanted, were it not for the extreme hubris amongst the tribes, or clans, or families, whatever you want to call them. Fortunately, this kept them out of the game for so long. Had the current mentality of the Han Chinese of today existed at that time, under a hypothetical unified continent (We own everything, just because, so fuck all youse!-ergo Taiwan, Tibet, etc.), the world would be a very different place.
 

sdifox

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bear in mind that they were also busy fighting amongst themselves for some 500 or more years, trying to figure out who was in control of what, long before there was ever a concept of "China."

Rome and Persia succeeded so well b/c there was a single power structure. Once we know who is in charge, let's go out and start conquering. Much in the way that there was no concept of unification amongst the modern Italian states any time before or after the Roman empire (bear in mind that "Italy" was not a name that appeared in the history books before the late 19th century--technically speaking, the USA is an older country).

Ancient China had the military might that would have been more than capable of taking what they wanted, were it not for the extreme hubris amongst the tribes, or clans, or families, whatever you want to call them. Fortunately, this kept them out of the game for so long. Had the current mentality of the Han Chinese of today existed at that time, under a hypothetical unified continent (We own everything, just because, so fuck all youse!-ergo Taiwan, Tibet, etc.), the world would be a very different place.

I think more Chinese People died in Chinese hand than Foreign hand over the years.
 

thebestMAX

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Back to the original theme, if you can find this book it used the antikythera mechanism as the antiquity driving the plot.

"Sphinx" by T.S. Learner.

Never read anything by this author before but it is a mix of Egyptology, mysticism, politics and mystery set in the world of Alexandria in 1977. Think Dan Brown for comparison. A little simplistic in the opening but then gets going.
 

Modular

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This is my new favorite thread. It's amazing to me the amount of information that has been lost in the shuffle over the centuries: the library at Alexandria for example, and I'm sure there are hundreds more. It's exciting to learn about what these ancient people knew and what they studied.

Aside from that, I find is absurd that this type of thread would get derailed into a religion bashing thread, but this is OT, so I hesitate to act surprised. I don't know that I would blame a religion of any type for holding down knowledge, but rather I would blame man's desire for power and his unwavering usage of anything that can be used to control the masses to obtain that power. It just so happened that Christianity/Islam/Toism/etc. (I'm speaking broadly to the many instances where religion is blamed) was the popular religion of the time and place and as a result was used for the exact opposite reasons than it preaches and was intended for.

If you want to know why these pieces of knowledge have been lost over the centuries I believe it would be far more profitable to investigate the intentions of men's hearts, rather than casting blame upon religion with the wide brush of ignorance. In effect, it's man's desire for power and position that has repressed knowledge, not religion.
 
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PsiStar

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The lego version is impressive in that the recovered device is not so deteriorated that it can be dissected. Wouldn't you like to have the time to build your own!?!?! Maybe when I retire ... never in other words.:\

I am not sure that the article indicates the metal used but to survive it must a copper alloy or brass. This metal had been in use for ~2000 years prior to the time of construction of the device == ample time to play with gears & ratios as well as understand celestial motion.

The Dark Ages & The Plague not to mention wars & destruction of the Roman Empire did much to obscure any kind of recorded history. One can only wonder of the losses of the burning of the Library of Alexandria. A device as this surely could have been well documented some place at the time.
 
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