antisemitism in europe sky-rocketing because of flotilla raid...

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Nebor

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Europe has been largely infiltrated by Muslims, and their opinions are magnified by guilty liberals taking their side in the name of "human rights." The people protesting aren't native frenchmen, but the troublesome Muslim minority that have been causing France serious problems for the last 10 years.
 

Double Trouble

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As usual, fail thread is fail. Protesting against or disagreeing with Israel is not the same as antisemitism. Israel did something extremely stupid, and they are paying for it in terms of getting globally more and more isolated.
 

Red Dawn

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Europe has been largely infiltrated by Muslims, and their opinions are magnified by guilty liberals taking their side in the name of "human rights." The people protesting aren't native frenchmen, but the troublesome Muslim minority that have been causing France serious problems for the last 10 years.
I'd say the average French, Dane, German, Dutch etc probably has more of a problem with the Muslims in their country than they do with the Jews.
 

kylebisme

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Of course many of those Muslims are Semites too, so in that sense I can buy the argument that anti-Semitism is on the rise throughout much of the world. On the other hand, no one seems to have any evidence of any influx of Judeophobia at all.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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LOL! They 'made' them kill the activists. Is that what you say when you beat your wife and kids? "Now look what you made me do!"
Are you being purposefully dense? The aid flotilla was a challenge to Israel's authority in maintaining the blockade. If Israel just lets in every aid ship without checking the cargo, then bad things will happen for both sides - some bad apples in Gaza will get weapons, they will attack Israelis, and then there will be massacres. The whole point of the passengers attacking the Israelis was to force them to defend themselves with deadly force, which gets "Israeli commandos kill peace activists" on the news.

LOL pretty much what he's saying. Those poor commandos, they were attacked because they raided an aid ship in international waters while firing paintballs at them. And as far as the passengers knew, it could've been live ammo and they had to defend themeselves. Israel needs to be brought to justice. I think as the US economy continues to deteriorate and it's economic influence becomes limited, Israel will find itself isolated and surrounded by world powers that don't care for it (read: China). Let's see them try to set up synagogues in China and integrate (aka take over) into their political system.. The old tired antisemitism card won't work there.
Dropping a small team of commandos from a helicopter to secure a 700-person vessel was a very, very bad idea. It was horrible, this idea. And as far as the passengers thinking it was live ammo? It's pretty obvious when someone shoots paintballs as opposed to bullets.

You also seem to think that Israel has "taken over" our political system. Really? We support Israel because it's a stable government in the Middle East that likes us. We're trying to bring stability to the region to secure resources and strategic points against China and Russia.
Israel claims otherwise.
I'm not speaking in absolutes - Israel isn't a state run by saints. They exert control over Gaza with resistance from Hamas. There is no debate there.

The aid flotilla has been confirmed as having ties with Al-Qaeda. Are people really so dense as to think that such an organization wouldn't try to open avenues of attack against Israel by using such publicity to lift the blockade?
 

Lemon law

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You are correct to ask for a sources and there are too many to ignore. Some are inflated by Israeli propaganda, but I have been following the issue for some time.

Here is one link, http://www.ilyameyer.com/2010/03/swedish-prime-minister-candidate.html

But let google be your friend, search and ye shall find. Much of the worst of Swedish incidents are confined to Malmo, but I don't think we can say IHV and his ilk are incorrect in this case.
 

mav451

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As usual, fail thread is fail. Protesting against or disagreeing with Israel is not the same as antisemitism. Israel did something extremely stupid, and they are paying for it in terms of getting globally more and more isolated.

Totally agree. It's just that all zealots on both sides are using this to paint a broad brush against people who don't agree with their views. If anything, the zealots are just embarrassing themselves and outing their tunnel vision in this thread.
 

kylebisme

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If anything, the zealots are just embarrassing themselves and outing their tunnel vision in this thread.
Sure, but so are the people who pay little attention to the facts while pretending that anyone who doesn't share their willful ignorance is a zealot. Such nonsense is exactly lulled many into falsely equivocating the apartheid regime in South Africa to the people who resisted it. If only society could start learning from history, we could finally stop repeating it.
 

Noobtastic

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He's just aware of the fact that Israel's blockade of humanitarian aid to Gaza is illegal, and that Israel started attacking the people on this ships even before boarding them.

no it isn't.

israel said it would deliver the aid to gaza once it has checked the cargo for weapons.

the flotilla said it had no intention of cooperating with the red cross of israel, and made its intention to violate the blockade, thus losing its protective status.

if israel would trying to deliver missiles by boat to britain, you think the british navy would sit on their asses?

hell no.

and anyways, the ship's "aid" was next to worthless. what aid that did exist was not needed, and hamas even rejected the cargo after israel tried to escort it into gaza.

the ship was carrying bullet proof vests, night-vision goggles, ammunition, and jihadist-supporters as well as turkish mercenaries.

don't see how any lefty can rationalize this.

and as said many times before, boarding a ship in international waters is not illegal. in fact, it is the only place to board a ship.
being in international waters does not mean you get a free pass.
 

flavio

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Europe has been largely infiltrated by Muslims, and their opinions are magnified by guilty liberals taking their side in the name of "human rights." The people protesting aren't native frenchmen, but the troublesome Muslim minority that have been causing France serious problems for the last 10 years.

You seem to be bigoted against Muslims in general. Is that anti-muslimism?
 

flavio

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israel said it would deliver the aid to gaza once it has checked the cargo for weapons.

the flotilla said it had no intention of cooperating with the red cross of israel, and made its intention to violate the blockade, thus losing its protective status.

The blockade is illegal and Israel arbitrarily steals half of all aid.

if israel would trying to deliver missiles by boat to britain, you think the british navy would sit on their asses?

They weren't delivering missiles. But if Iran tried to attack a British ship like Israel did there's a good chance they would defend themselves.

[quote[and anyways, the ship's "aid" was next to worthless. what aid that did exist was not needed, and hamas even rejected the cargo after israel tried to escort it into gaza.[/quote]

There's was thousands of tons of needed aid. The aid was turned down over principle because it wasn't delivered by the correct source.

the ship was carrying bullet proof vests, night-vision goggles, ammunition, and jihadist-supporters as well as turkish mercenaries.

Lie.

don't see how any lefty can rationalize this.

Pretty damn easy.

and as said many times before, boarding a ship in international waters is not illegal. in fact, it is the only place to board a ship.
being in international waters does not mean you get a free pass.

Wrong, the blockade is illegal and Israel had no authority to attack a humanitarian ship in international waters.

Hey, are you one of those hasbara/megaphone people? I can't seem to get an answer from you on this.
 

Noobtastic

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Wrong, the blockade is illegal and Israel had no authority to attack a humanitarian ship in international waters.
You keep saying this as if it is somehow persuasive.

THE BLOCKADE IS NOT ILLEGAL. Israel has full authority to board a ship like the flotilla.

just because a ship says its a humanitarian ship does not make it so.
LOL



"activists" attack soldiers first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6sAEYpHF24&feature=player_embedded

like i said before, this was the only ship that violently responded.

all others had no problems, and the passangers said the IDF was very professional.

had israel attacked the ship first, it wouldn't have come in with non-lethal weapons and exposed its troops to hostile fire.

THEY assumed the ship was humanitarian, they didn't come in on the idea that there were trained ex-turkish military waiting for them.

The blockade is illegal and Israel arbitrarily steals half of all aid.

LOLOLOL
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Do people really still believe that none of the activists were ex-military Turks looking for a fight? As IHV showed, part of the cargo was bullet-proof vests, night-vision goggles, and ammo. That is clearly cargo that is meant to be used for equipping militia for a revolt.
 

Noobtastic

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Do people really still believe that none of the activists were ex-military Turks looking for a fight? As IHV showed, part of the cargo was bullet-proof vests, night-vision goggles, and ammo. That is clearly cargo that is meant to be used for equipping militia for a revolt.

even with physical proof backed by meticulous testimony, including open confessions from the activists, the left refuses join reality.

adolf hitler himself could have been on the boat and it wouldn't phase flavio.
 

flavio

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You keep saying this as if it is somehow persuasive.

THE BLOCKADE IS NOT ILLEGAL. Israel has full authority to board a ship like the flotilla.

Israel was warned a long time ago that the blockade was illegal. You simply saying it's legal will not make it so. Israel had no authority.


First I don't see a problem with them carrying bullet proof vests. Second, prove that picture is from the ship and not just more Israeli propaganda. I notice the pic is from a blog.

"activists" attack soldiers first:

It's well documented that the Israelis shot at the ship and threw grenades and then further attacked from helicopter. The passengers defended their ship.

like i said before, this was the only ship that violently responded.

all others had no problems, and the passangers said the IDF was very professional.

That's a lie. There were injuries on the other ships too.

had israel attacked the ship first, it wouldn't have come in with non-lethal weapons and exposed its troops to hostile fire.

It did attack first. Whether it attacked with non-lethals is irrelevant.

THEY assumed the ship was humanitarian, they didn't come in on the idea that there were trained ex-turkish military waiting for them.

It was humanitarian. Whether or not anyone had previous military service is irrelevant.

Are you one of those hasbara/megaphone people?
 

flavio

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even with physical proof backed by meticulous testimony, including open confessions from the activists, the left refuses join reality.

Link to physical proof, testimony, and confessions?

adolf hitler himself could have been on the boat and it wouldn't phase flavio.

Hitler himself could have attacked the humanitarian ships and it wouldn't phase you.

Are you one of those hasbara/megaphone peeps?
 

flavio

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Do people really still believe that none of the activists were ex-military Turks looking for a fight? As IHV showed, part of the cargo was bullet-proof vests, night-vision goggles, and ammo. That is clearly cargo that is meant to be used for equipping militia for a revolt.

I don't see a problem with night vision googgles or vests. But link to ammo claim?
 

Noobtastic

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Link to physical proof, testimony, and confessions?

ive provided more than enough proof, and so have other posters. you, on the other hand, cannot provide a shred of evidence supporting the claim that the blockade is illegal, boarding ships in international waters is illegal, or that israel is stealing 50% of the aid and that the ship was loaded with humanitarian cargo and not weapons, as i proved above.
 

Noobtastic

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I don't see a problem with night vision googgles or vests. But link to ammo claim?

bullet proof vests used to protect hamas operatives, night vision goggles to kidnap israeli soldiers in the dark.

YOU said "lies" and then i provided a source. perhaps it is you who needs to start providing sources instead of questioning everything i write. YOU cannot accept the truth.
 

Lonyo

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Israel doesn't help itself by being easy to antagonise. They can't have realistically expected a different reaction from various countries (anger from some, muted non-criticism from others).

Israel basically screwed up and fell into the 'trap' that was set by the activists, which I'm sure the activists took great glee from.

I was on the side of the Palestinians as a gut reaction, and I still think the way Israel went about what they did (especially in international waters) wasn't really sensible, but after actually reading some stuff, I can see their point of view (even Egypt had closed the border with the Gaza strip until this event).

Basically Israel brought this upon themselves by reacting in their predictable manner, which was teased out by the actions of the activists. In some ways it's amusing to watch a game of cat and mouse, or it would be if people weren't dying.
 

Jhhnn

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THEY assumed the ship was humanitarian, they didn't come in on the idea that there were trained ex-turkish military waiting for them.

Yeh- they thought it was manned entirely by Rachel Corrie clones...

If the Israelis were "Attacked first", how'd that happen? Did the guys on the ship swim ashore and drag 'em back to the boat?

And if the Israelis were using non-lethal weapons, how did several of those onboard the ship end up shot dead, some at point blank range?

Yeh, I know, you'll shortly be claiming they committed seppuku just to make the Israelis look bad... Your partisanship is more than blind- it's willful dissemination of falsehoods...

What Israel really, really needs is more like you, everywhere, so that the world can really see what they're all about... yeppers...
 
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