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HeXen

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Webroot is really light and powerful, I really like it.
Free ones I like Panda
 

Pghpooh

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My experience says stay away from Norton. Once it was the best, then they bloated it up, and now it is said to work OK. It expires once a year and stops. That's no good if the operator ignores it.
Get a free A/V that does not expire. The free ones I'm familiar with are Bitdefender, Avira, AVG, Panda, and Avast. I can tell you that Bitdefender keeps working without interruption once activated by signing in once.


Jim
Thst's just about the exact words the two guys I talked to said. The Norton that is being used the freebie from comcast. For the arm and leg they charge for service the norton is free. LOLOL
 

Pghpooh

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Going to look at some of the other software suggested here and go from there. One thing I can say is no matter how good the software is,,, it's only as good as the user. Meaning, keeping up on updates, running scans,,, and,,,,, staying away from,, um,,, not trusted sites!
 

Carfax83

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Anyone disparaging Norton is living in the past. Norton is one of the best, if not the best AV/AM solution nowadays in terms of it's performance and it's light footprint.

Norton also has by far the biggest signature database, and also the largest community which is important for whitelists and safe downloads.

I've been using Norton since 2009, and I've never been infected during that entire time. Plus, to my knowledge, Norton still works after your subscription runs out. The only thing is that it stops updating.

Also one thing I like about Norton, is that it will automatically update you to the latest version as long as your subscription is active.
 

MJose

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Any antivirus protection would do the needful, provided you are using a genuine one. All you need to look out for is that your antivirus updates are up-to date and you renew the subscription before it expires... Lastly I would suggest you secure your PC with AVAST.
 

mikeymikec

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I think you're overblowing it a bit.. Antimalware technology has come a long way over the years..

Instead of relying solely on signatures like in the old days, antimalware tech now has behavioral analysis algorithms that can profile malicious software even if is unknown and lacking a signature.

Also, the most cutting edge consumer antimalware all have cloud based signature databases and whitelists that offer way more protection than what was previously attainable..

Basically, it's really difficult to get infected unless you're stupid or are purposely seeking it..

Well, in my line of work I haven't seen any significant reduction in appointments for malware cleanups in more than ten years. The only thing that has changed IMO is how deep the average infection goes; in the days of XP a system-level infection was common, these days it isn't. IMO that's mostly down to new OS features such as UAC because the reduction in system-level infections occurred when Vista was released.

Furthermore, I submit that most people on this forum either have experienced a malware infection first-hand (not necessarily on their own PC) or know someone who has in recent years. Hence I think the statistics that av-test.org are pushing are complete and utter fertiliser in real world terms.

Also, companies like Adobe, Microsoft and Apple would have bought a decent AV vendor out long ago by now if their "zero-day detection" was that good. Just think about what the term "zero-day" means; a software vulnerability that is being exploited in the wild before the software vendor has even heard of it. A zero-day threat can be in any piece of software including the AV software itself. Zero-day threats can cause utter havoc because the point is that no-one is prepared for it. Why on earth do you think that an AV vendor would be more ready for such a threat against a piece of software that they have no intimate knowledge of its design?

The only point that I vaguely agree with you on is that savvy and cautious users don't generally get infected, but that's been true for much longer than you claim that AV vendors up'd their game. However, that's not relevant to the claim that av-test.org is making, basically that there's an average 0.3% chance of infection (by already-discovered malware) even if the user spending their time executing every piece of verified malware, which most sensible people would regard as playing Russian Roulette in software terms.

https://www.av-test.org/en/statistics/malware/
So they're saying that while the number of new threats is skyrocketing, AV products are still on top of way more than 90% of them?

http://anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/how-infected-are-we.html
So, 97.2% industry average chance of an AV product picking up a zero-day threat, 99.6% chance of catching malware discovered in the last four weeks, yet 32% of computers infected worldwide (and bear in mind if that figure is vaguely legitimate, it will be "known to be infected", so add on another significant percentage of infected computers after that to reflect the likely reality). If av-test.org's stats still don't seem suspect to you, I'd love to know your reasoning. The only legitimate reason I can think of for the discrepancy would be that those users don't have any AV software installed/running, but I'd say even 20% would be a chance of about a hundred times higher than I've experienced through my line of work.
 
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accguy9009

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Side Note: I'm using the paid version ie Bitdefender Total Security 2016 on Win10( it has official support for Win10), IMHO probably the best paid version AV out there, light and don't notice it at all.

Free versions well that is always a preference thing, but the top five have been mentioned ie Avast, Bitdefender, Panda, AVG, Avira.

I would go for either Avast or Bitdefender.
Panda use to be great but I hear the latest free version is not as lightweight as it use to be.

Free version of Panda still works great, cloud based and no bloat. Still one of the best free options IMHO.
 

Carfax83

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Well, in my line of work I haven't seen any significant reduction in appointments for malware cleanups in more than ten years. The only thing that has changed IMO is how deep the average infection goes; in the days of XP a system-level infection was common, these days it isn't. IMO that's mostly down to new OS features such as UAC because the reduction in system-level infections occurred when Vista was released.

I bet that a lot of the computers that you see are older machines, or reasonably new machines using out of date or expired software.

What good is an AV/AM if it's not kept up to date, or if Windows itself isn't regularly patched?

Furthermore, I submit that most people on this forum either have experienced a malware infection first-hand (not necessarily on their own PC) or know someone who has in recent years. Hence I think the statistics that av-test.org are pushing are complete and utter fertiliser in real world terms.

I certainly have yes. I've cleaned out some horribly malware infested PCs for friends, coworkers etc, and like I said above, they all had several things in common such as the age of the machines, the fact that they were using expired AV software, and that Windows itself wasn't updated..

Why on earth do you think that an AV vendor would be more ready for such a threat against a piece of software that they have no intimate knowledge of its design?

Because those malwares usually have behavioral patterns that can be recognized if you know what to look for.

Also, I don't know about the other AV software makers, but Norton does offer an actual guarantee against virus infection, and free help if a virus does manage to get through.

The only point that I vaguely agree with you on is that savvy and cautious users don't generally get infected, but that's been true for much longer than you claim that AV vendors up'd their game.

Well I did name stupidity as one of the exceptions for vastly increasing your chances of getting infected...although stupidity is probably the wrong word..

A better word is uninformed or ignorant, which unfortunately describe the majority of people that use PCs..

I remember my sister complained to me that her PC had a virus.. I checked it out, and it turned out her son was downloading warez on the pirate bay, and that her AV software had long expired..

Now my sister is far from stupid, but she was simply unaware of what was going on because it wasn't on her mind.. Much like some people will drive a car day in and day out but never check the oil or perform any routine maintenance, and then act surprised when the engine grinds to a halt and they're stuck on the highway
 

mikeymikec

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I bet that a lot of the computers that you see are older machines, or reasonably new machines using out of date or expired software.

If you can figure out how the age of hardware has a bearing on its level of vulnerability to malware, please let me know. Assuming that you're talking about whether they're running a currently supported version of Windows, the vast majority of the computers I encounter are. Furthermore, I'd say that I encounter maybe one computer a year that isn't running up-to-date anti-virus software.

I certainly have yes. I've cleaned out some horribly malware infested PCs for friends, coworkers etc, and like I said above, they all had several things in common such as the age of the machines, the fact that they were using expired AV software, and that Windows itself wasn't updated..
All of them? That's impressive. I'd say I encounter maybe one in a hundred infected machines that aren't receiving Windows updates as expected.

Because those malwares usually have behavioral patterns that can be recognized if you know what to look for.
Again, if AV vendors knew how to stop zero-day threats with such a level of accuracy that av-test claims, much bigger companies would have either bought them out or licensed their "zero-day detection code" by now. Also, every OS would have anti-malware software in regularly recommended and active use if this was the case. Hopefully you understand what zero-day threats actually are, they're not "new viruses" or something similar.

Btw, I think I was still editing and adding to my previous post when you responded to it, so you missed the final part of it in particular.
 
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balloonshark

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Secure your computer, hop in a VM and seek out malware. Now upload the malware to virustotal and then tell me how well AV's protect you. I only needed to do this a few times to realize using an AV should only be one layer in a multi-layer security setup.

All malware has one thing in common. "If it can't run it can't infect". There are plenty of security programs available that can keep malware from running if you're willing to learn.

Use a limited user account and keep updated system images and/or data backups. If everyone did those two simple things "computer geeks" everywhere would have more free time on their hands.
 

stockwiz

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I switched from Avast to Avira because avast was acting funny on windows 10, it wasn't re-registering the free version when I tried thus it would not work... reinstalling wasn't helping and I wasn't going to dig around in the registry to find what might be responsible.. wait for them to de-bug the windows 10 version...
 

NortonSupport

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Sorry I am slow getting back here.
Spent some time playing with daughters laptop. Talked to two people about the problems with norton and windows edge. First guy was a Best Buy Geek Squad expert. He said they get a lot of complaints about Norton not playing well with Edge. The suggested work around is to disable the norton features that cause the problems. Second person I talked to is a IT manager for one of the local banks. His advice was the same as the Geek Squad guy. Both also suggested making ie 11 or firefox or chrome the default browser.

Sorry to hear that. Based on information Microsoft has provided to date, several browser-based protection and identity features that are provided in Norton products are not compatible with Edge, including Identity Safe, Safe Search, Safe Web, Anti-phishing, and Scam Insight.
We are investigating alternative ways to deliver these features for Microsoft Edge. In the meantime, we encourage customers using Norton security products to use Internet Explorer or another supported web browser like Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox to enjoy these features.
Microsoft has indicated that it will continue to improve Edge and will allow browser extensions in the near future.

Please visit, https://support.norton.com/sp/en/in...3038371_EndUserProfile_en_us?q=microsoft+edge for more clarity on this.

Harini
Norton Support
 

rockfella79

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I switched from Avast to Avira because avast was acting funny on windows 10, it wasn't re-registering the free version when I tried thus it would not work... reinstalling wasn't helping and I wasn't going to dig around in the registry to find what might be responsible.. wait for them to de-bug the windows 10 version...
I switched from Avast to Avira years ago. Happy user.
 

shimpster

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Daughter got a Dell laptop.tablet for Xmas.
She gave it to me to register, create a recovery usb, update, etc.
Question is,,,, the laptop will be used on the Comcast/Xfinity internet.
As part of the service, Norton 360 with constant guard is free to download.
What is your opinion of Norton 360?
Any suggestions for different antivirus software? Free is always good.

Are there any sites I can go to that tested and rated antivirus software?

All suggestions are helpful!

On my Win7 laptop, run the following, all free, (except Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
Home Premium), never infected, lite on resources (can't tell difference if installed or not installed). No pop-up ads;

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware Home Premium
https://www.malwarebytes.org/

Sophos Home AV Free
https://www.sophos.com/en-us/products/free-tools/sophos-antivirus-for-mac-home-edition.aspx

360 Total Security Essential (not the 360 all in one). Includes THREE virus scanners, 360/Bitdefender/Avira
http://www.360totalsecurity.com/en/features/360-total-security-essential/

Avast free
https://www.avast.com/en-us/windows#comparison

And run this freebie once or twice a month for good measure, Sophos Virus Removal Tool
https://www.sophos.com/en-us/products/free-tools/virus-removal-tool.aspx
 
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Carfax83

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I apologize for the delay in response. I didn't check to see if you had replied after your last post.

If you can figure out how the age of hardware has a bearing on its level of vulnerability to malware, please let me know.

Well there is more often than not a correlation between old hardware and old software isn't there? So when I say old machine, I'm referring to both hardware and software..

Assuming that you're talking about whether they're running a currently supported version of Windows, the vast majority of the computers I encounter are. Furthermore, I'd say that I encounter maybe one computer a year that isn't running up-to-date anti-virus software.

Well this is your job so I have to take your word. I on the other hand, am a computer hobbyist, so I only tinker with my own stuff (and my families) for the most part..

And since I really hate working on POS computers, I rarely take up the offer to look at other peoples' stuff. In the few instances that I did take up the offer, all of the computers were running (at that time) XP, or using a newer OS like Windows 7 that wasn't properly updated, and last but not least, using expired AV..

Again, if AV vendors knew how to stop zero-day threats with such a level of accuracy that av-test claims, much bigger companies would have either bought them out or licensed their "zero-day detection code" by now. Also, every OS would have anti-malware software in regularly recommended and active use if this was the case. Hopefully you understand what zero-day threats actually are, they're not "new viruses" or something similar.

Well there's no 100% guarantee for anything in life, other than one day we're all going to die

And yes, I know what zero days threats are, and my response is still the same. Even if there is no definition for a new virus or malware, there are still methods such as behavioral analysis, heuristics and whitelists that can offer substantial protection against zero day threats.

So, 97.2% industry average chance of an AV product picking up a zero-day threat, 99.6% chance of catching malware discovered in the last four weeks, yet 32% of computers infected worldwide (and bear in mind if that figure is vaguely legitimate, it will be "known to be infected", so add on another significant percentage of infected computers after that to reflect the likely reality)

Well, you first have to trust that the source itself is accurate, and it probably isn't as anti-virus software reviews has a motive to exaggerate the proliferation of viruses and malware..

Same with AV-Test. Regardless though, malware generally speaking is nowhere near as destructive as it used to be. The vast majority of malware written today are designed to do two things:

1) Collect sensitive data

2) Generate revenue, mostly through ads, hijacking etcetera

As such, they tend to exhibit similar behavior patterns, and that's how GOOD AV software can often neutralize or stop them even if there is no specific profile or definition..

Whitelists, massive cloud databases and community watches that AV software can use to crosscheck downloads and software installations also are a huge help..

That's why I always recommend Norton, as they have by far the largest cloud based infrastructure and community watch..
 

psychosiz

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I had Norton with a new gaming pc last October. It caused so many headaches and wasn't worth the hassle. I was set to return the PC when someone suggested a complete uninstall of Norton. Once I did that, things worked beautifully and haven't had one issue since. I now use 360 Total Security Essential and haven't had any issues. I am on the internet alot and use the PC for a few other things, hence the high end gaming machine. In my opinion I would steer away as far as possible from Norton. The people having problems with it are well documented and a search will turn up many sites and threads. From my research and searching , most people now or days seem to have lots of success with the ones mentioned above by others Panda, AVAST, 360 Total Security Essential, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware ect.
 
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Carfax83

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I now use 360 Total Security Essential and haven't had any issues. I am on the internet alot and use the PC for a few other things, hence the high end gaming machine. In my opinion I would steer away as far as possible from Norton. The people having problems with it are well documented and a search will turn up many sites and threads. From my research and searching , most people now or days seem to have lots of success with the ones mentioned above by others Panda, AVAST, 360 Total Security Essential, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware ect.

Never had any issues with Norton myself, but then again, it wouldn't surprise me. Norton is the most popular AV software maker in the world, so by virtue of the amount of people using it, you're going to see more problems being reported.

That said, 360 Total Security Essential is one of the worst security solutions you can get for your PC. First of all, it's made by a Chinese company, so that alone should raise some red flags, no pun intended.

Apparently, this company has been accused of stealing user information.

They also faked a Microsoft security patch to try and get people to use their browser..

These are just a few of the articles I found when doing a search for Qihoo products...
 

Puffnstuff

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In the 2016 PC Magazine av testing they placed last among the suites tested. I'll stick with my zone alarm/avast free combination which gets the job done.
 

AMDisTheBEST

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I consider Norton as bloatware because it hogs so much system resources and slows my computer down/. Install bitdefender. It is light, as light as windows defender in fact, user friendly, and evolve as fast as new viruses and malware can be written.
 
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