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Yep this guy has gone full looney tunes and is clearly a religious fanatic. Wow.. is all I can say. Unfucking believable that this man is allowed to remain on the bench with these distorted views.
The very reason the founding fathers put separation of church and state in their writings was because of the Churches full on persecution of people in Europe. People were having their land and wealth stolen if the church laws deemed they were heretics, and people were being jailed for adultery, and for being gay etc. The founding fathers didn't want Christianity to be the primary religion either because anyone who wasn't a Christian got threatened with jailings, and being treated as outcasts.
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Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia likes to brag that he knows what the Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution, but his latest comments about the separation of church and state proves he really doesnt know anything at all.
During a speaking event in front of a crowd of 400 people at Colorado Christian University, the conservative judge made it clear how ignorant he is of what the Constitution says when he said that separation of church and state doesnt prohibit government from treating non-believers as second class citizens and that government can uphold Christianity if it wants to do so.
I think the main fight is to dissuade Americans from what the secularists are trying to persuade them to be true: that the separation of church and state means that the government cannot favor religion over non-religion. Thats a possible way to run a political system. The Europeans run it that way, and if the American people want to do it, I suppose they can enact that by statute. But to say thats what the Constitution requires is utterly absurd.
Scalia also claimed that the Constitution doesnt say that the state has to remain neutral in religious matters, calling it a lie.
Our [the courts] latest take on the subject, which is quite different from previous takes, is that the state must be neutral, not only between religions, but between religion and non-religion. Thats just a lie. Where do you get the notion that this is all unconstitutional? You can only believe that if you believe in a morphing Constitution.
So according to Scalia, the Constitution doesnt keep the government from placing one set of religious beliefs above another. Basically, Scalia just said its perfectly constitutional for the government to discriminate against and persecute non-believers or people who practice non-Christian religions.
Scalia even claimed that America has a tradition of honoring God.
We do Him [God] honor in our Pledge of Allegiance, in all our public ceremonies. Theres nothing wrong with that. It is in the best of American traditions, and dont let anybody tell you otherwise. I think we have to fight that tendency of the secularists to impose it on all of us through the Constitution.
What is truly shocking here is how a Supreme Court Justice can be so wrong about the history of this country and the document he is supposed to be interpreting. Scalia often claims that he knows exactly what the Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution, but hes either lying when he says that or hes just ignorant. Because all we have to do is look at the words of the Founding Fathers themselves. The first four presidents of this nation, for instance, had plenty to say about what the Constitution says about religion and government. First off, lets look at the Constitution itself. Its a totally secular document that makes no mention of God, Jesus, Heaven, or Christianity. In fact, the text of the First Amendment plainly forbids government from respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
In other words, the government cannot favor one religion over any other belief or lack thereof. The government must be neutral. The Founding Fathers felt this way as well. Just look at their own words.
If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a mans religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793
We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.
~Founding Father John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785
I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802
Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every persons life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the wall of separation between church and state, therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. We have solved the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: in a speech to the Virginia Baptists, 1808
The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.
~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, Essays In Addition to Americas Real Religion
Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.
~Founding Father James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical
Endowments
And the above quotes are just the tip of the iceberg. You can find many more by clicking here.
James Madison is particularly important here because he is the Father of the Constitution. No one, especially Scalia, would know more about what the Constitution means than Madison. And Madison clearly states that there is TOTAL separation of church and state.
Furthermore, the traditions Scalia is talking about are modern inventions by conservatives in an effort to turn America into a Christian state, which again, is forbidden by the Constitution. According to the American Constitution Society,
The American tradition that Scalia refers to doesnt have much of a history. Under God was slipped into the Pledge in 1954 as a slap at godless Communism. In God We Trust wasnt codified for use on paper money until 1956
Antonin Scalia is not fit to serve on the Supreme Court. He serves Christian extremists instead of the law and the American people. He should not only recuse himself from every single case involving religion, he should resign from the bench entirely. You cannot claim to understand what the framers of the Constitution intended and then rule in favor of destroying one of the clearest and most important pillars they put in place. Scalia thinks hes right, but the Founding Fathers completely disagree.
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The very reason the founding fathers put separation of church and state in their writings was because of the Churches full on persecution of people in Europe. People were having their land and wealth stolen if the church laws deemed they were heretics, and people were being jailed for adultery, and for being gay etc. The founding fathers didn't want Christianity to be the primary religion either because anyone who wasn't a Christian got threatened with jailings, and being treated as outcasts.
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Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia likes to brag that he knows what the Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution, but his latest comments about the separation of church and state proves he really doesnt know anything at all.
During a speaking event in front of a crowd of 400 people at Colorado Christian University, the conservative judge made it clear how ignorant he is of what the Constitution says when he said that separation of church and state doesnt prohibit government from treating non-believers as second class citizens and that government can uphold Christianity if it wants to do so.
I think the main fight is to dissuade Americans from what the secularists are trying to persuade them to be true: that the separation of church and state means that the government cannot favor religion over non-religion. Thats a possible way to run a political system. The Europeans run it that way, and if the American people want to do it, I suppose they can enact that by statute. But to say thats what the Constitution requires is utterly absurd.
Scalia also claimed that the Constitution doesnt say that the state has to remain neutral in religious matters, calling it a lie.
Our [the courts] latest take on the subject, which is quite different from previous takes, is that the state must be neutral, not only between religions, but between religion and non-religion. Thats just a lie. Where do you get the notion that this is all unconstitutional? You can only believe that if you believe in a morphing Constitution.
So according to Scalia, the Constitution doesnt keep the government from placing one set of religious beliefs above another. Basically, Scalia just said its perfectly constitutional for the government to discriminate against and persecute non-believers or people who practice non-Christian religions.
Scalia even claimed that America has a tradition of honoring God.
We do Him [God] honor in our Pledge of Allegiance, in all our public ceremonies. Theres nothing wrong with that. It is in the best of American traditions, and dont let anybody tell you otherwise. I think we have to fight that tendency of the secularists to impose it on all of us through the Constitution.
What is truly shocking here is how a Supreme Court Justice can be so wrong about the history of this country and the document he is supposed to be interpreting. Scalia often claims that he knows exactly what the Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution, but hes either lying when he says that or hes just ignorant. Because all we have to do is look at the words of the Founding Fathers themselves. The first four presidents of this nation, for instance, had plenty to say about what the Constitution says about religion and government. First off, lets look at the Constitution itself. Its a totally secular document that makes no mention of God, Jesus, Heaven, or Christianity. In fact, the text of the First Amendment plainly forbids government from respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
In other words, the government cannot favor one religion over any other belief or lack thereof. The government must be neutral. The Founding Fathers felt this way as well. Just look at their own words.
If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a mans religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793
We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.
~Founding Father John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785
I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802
Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every persons life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the wall of separation between church and state, therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. We have solved the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: in a speech to the Virginia Baptists, 1808
The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.
~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, Essays In Addition to Americas Real Religion
Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.
~Founding Father James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical
Endowments
And the above quotes are just the tip of the iceberg. You can find many more by clicking here.
James Madison is particularly important here because he is the Father of the Constitution. No one, especially Scalia, would know more about what the Constitution means than Madison. And Madison clearly states that there is TOTAL separation of church and state.
Furthermore, the traditions Scalia is talking about are modern inventions by conservatives in an effort to turn America into a Christian state, which again, is forbidden by the Constitution. According to the American Constitution Society,
The American tradition that Scalia refers to doesnt have much of a history. Under God was slipped into the Pledge in 1954 as a slap at godless Communism. In God We Trust wasnt codified for use on paper money until 1956
Antonin Scalia is not fit to serve on the Supreme Court. He serves Christian extremists instead of the law and the American people. He should not only recuse himself from every single case involving religion, he should resign from the bench entirely. You cannot claim to understand what the framers of the Constitution intended and then rule in favor of destroying one of the clearest and most important pillars they put in place. Scalia thinks hes right, but the Founding Fathers completely disagree.
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