Any 16 yr olds own a 02 Mustang GT ?

[Mill]

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll

Originally posted by: Mill

Hit the pipe again partner.[/quote]

Yeah thats all you can keep saying because you are so into your precious f4gstangs that no import can come close to it.

I love ignorant mustang owners. Something about the car makes them dumber I guess...[/quote]

Yeah, well, what car do you OWN? When you feel froggy let me know when you want to race mine at a track. You are hitting the crack pipe because the RWD GT always finishes ahead on a road course over a FWD maxima. Link 1

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[glugglug]

The total amount of coverage required in California is $50,000.

So if you have $50,000 to put aside in a bank account that you specifically can't touch except for insurance payouts, you can be "self insured". Hmmmm, 16 with a Mustang GT, self-insuring will probably save you over $50,000 in payments in just 2 or 3 years, assuming that you don't get in a wreck and end up having to actually use that fund.

 

[Mill]

Not only did it go 14.03, but my 1/8 mile time was even better, but I didn't have a good enough setup to keep from having to go into OD.

 

[Mill]

Here it has a few mustangs running the times I told you, but the 03 is modded.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll

Have you even seen a world challenge race? Apparently not. Mustangs come in last out of at least 33 cars every race. In these races it's 5% car and 95% driver. HP isn't the most important factor in turning. You problebly only think about driving in a straight line just like typical mustang drivers... Put a mustang GT on a race track like laguna seca and the new maxima and the mustang won't necissarily beat it. A really good driver good woop the stang, and visa-versa.

Your argument doesn';t hold water. If it is 95% driver, then my drunk ass could whoop you in a McClaren...

 

[AmdEmAll]

A mcclaren would be in a different class, in world challenge they keep the cars as identical as possible, added weight if cars win a lot and things like that. Don't post if you don't know what your talking about.

 

[AmdEmAll]

Originally posted by: Mill

Yeah, well, what car do you OWN? When you feel froggy let me know when you want to race mine at a track. You are hitting the crack pipe because the RWD GT always finishes ahead on a road course over a FWD maxima. Link 1

Link 2[/quote]

Easy with the smoking of crack slick. You have some facination with that.

I'm not talking about some beginner scca drivers either. These are the pro's in world challenge. There are two classes that I watch, GT and Touring. GT, you can have a turbo/supercharger and in Touring you can't. Now there could be a couple factors causing the mustangs to always come in with crap times. If they arn't manufacture backed they may not have money to run with the big boys. They also might not have as good of drivers. Or cause they just can't compete with the current competition. These are saleens that race in GT btw. The cars that consistently place first are the BMW M3's, Audi RS6's, and corvettes. Mustang is no where to be seen. Maybe next season they will have better luck.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: shady06
mill,

02 mustang v8 1/4 mile 14.7
02 maxima se 1/4 14.9
i'm almost sure the 2003 se was 14.7 but i cant find the link

ok, so not faster, but equal. also, keep in mind that it is very difficult to run the mustang that fast cuz its a stick so u have to get the timings down like a pro as where with the maxima you just push the pedal

Uh....do I even have to respond to that? That's the most convoluted and inaccurate statement I've heard on the net. You've never been to a track before have you? You don't just press the pedal and go because you STILL get wheelspin regardless of transmission. EVERYONE has to get their 60ft times down, and it's certainly easier to get a good 60ft on a stock mustang with a manual vs an auto. Now take a lentech with a nice stall and transbrake and you have no comparison, or even a decently stock 4r70w with a stall and decent tires and you can hook up. A stock auto in either car will have wheelspin and a crappy 60ft. With the smaller amount of torque the Maxima has it will obviously be easier to bog. BTW, the Maxima does come in 6spd and the GT has an auto trans available as well.

I ran a 14.03 in my Stock automatic. I've never seen a 99-03 GT go slower than 14.2-14.3 unless it was the driver or traction limited. The Mustang is very very very clearly the faster car. I'm not sure who the hell jbautos is, but you can check the actual timeslips I posted from Maxima forums and compare it to ones on the corral.

What the hell are you smoking, Mill? A stock automatic GT has worse wheelspin than a stick? Complete and utter horsecrap.
And adding a stall converter will make it hook up BETTER?? More horsecrap. That's totally backwards. A stall converter will make it spin WORSE. That lets the engine rev up more before pulling.
I also call BS on a STOCK GT running 14.03 with no mods. I know plenty of people with GT's that have light mods that won't run that fast, but will dust a stock GT. I've seen hundreds of runs by Mustangs, and one of my good friends is one of the premier Mustang tuners on the East Coast.....he used to have a 1200+hp-at-the-wheels 'Stang, and plenty of the cars he's tweaked won't run that fast without some light mods.
Maybe what you call "stock" isn't really stock?

Absolutely it does. I've watched hundreds of 96+ GT's run down the track, and the Manuals always had better traction than the Auto. Yes, adding a stall will help with the proper sticky tires, because then you don't BOG and have to spin to get out of the bog. It is MUCH MUCH MUCH harder to launch an auto car without a stall and/or transbrake. Why don't you go look at timeslips on the Corral asshat? I ran a fvcking 14.03 at Steele, AL with a 103MPH tap. If you don't like it then go to HELL! If your tuner buddy can't tweak a car to run faster than 14.03 then I have a good feeling he is smoking crack as well as you. Hell yeah it lets the car rev more before pulling, because we are talking drag radials here and a stall. What RPM do you think most t-45 drivers launch at? oh... about anywhere from 2200 to 3000. Compare than to a car that stalls at less than 1800. YOU GET BOG THAT WAY. Coming out of the bog requires you to pretty much floor it and then you spin. Maybe you need to actually drive one of the cars before you keep running your mouth.

I ran a 14.03 at Steele, and I have plenty of witnesses to back me up. If I could find the timeslip I would! An auto GT is going to bog like a motherfvcking at pretty much any track after stalling up a 1800. A Manual can stall and just the right RPM to where it can feather it out of the whole if it doesn't hook up. There is much more control available to the manual. Remember we are talking stock 4r70w vs stock t-45. When you add the stall you are less likely to bog and it is much easier to get the 60ft times down. Are you high? And no I don't give a goofy goddamn about the dragster that you have. I know what my car ran, and I also have seen NUMEROUS people on the corral run low 14s' to high 13's on a stock GT. If you don't believe it then you need to head over to the corral and start looking at posts.

Drag radials and a stall converter is not stock. Stock is just the way it rolls off the showroom floor, and an automatic GT off the showroom floor WILL NOT run 14-oh's or high 13's under any circumstances. I'll agree that it doesn't take much modding to get there, but it takes more than stock.
Oh, and if you think a stick is easier to drive, let's get two brand new Stangs and run them each about 10 times. I'll drive the auto and you drive the stick, and I'll bet you 100 bucks to a quart of piss that my times are far more consistent than yours.
Of course, I have more passes down the strip than you by far so it wouldn't really be fair, but your reasoning about how a stick is easier to control than an auto is just pure bull. Anyone who knows anything about drag racing knows better than that.
BTW, what was your 1/8 mile time on your "stock" GT that supposedly ran 14.03....at 103????

Here's a link to a road test of a Mach 1 that ran only 2 tenths quicker and the same MPH as you claim...with quite a bit more power than you have


Look, one thing that will be pretty much a constant, regardless of driving ability is the MPH in the 1/4. So if you have problems getting the car off the line, if you pretty much shift at the same rpm, your MPH won't be much different than if you hooked it up well.
So magazine tests are a good indicator of how fast a car is, even if you the testers can't launch as well as your local drag strip hot shots.
What I do know is this: A stall converter lets the engine rev up more before the car starts pulling....which puts the engine more up into the power range, which is MORE LIKELY to make it spin. However, with an automatic, all you have to do is modulate the gas pedal to control tire spin....a stock GT isn't powerful enough to just fry the tires forever, so it's pretty easy to get the car off the line. A stick is much harder to control, for most people. The stick has a better ET potential because of the better gear splits, but also has a greater margin for error.
Sure, with sticky tires, a stall is great because you don't have to worry much about spinning, but again, I think what you're calling stock and what I'm calling stock are two different things. You take a stall and put it in a car with stock tires and all you'll do is spin.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Mill
Not only did it go 14.03, but my 1/8 mile time was even better, but I didn't have a good enough setup to keep from having to go into OD.

Into OD in what? The 1/8? You'll never get out of 2nd gear with an automatic in the 1/8, and it shouldn't go into OD at full throttle in the 1/4 unless there's something wrong with it.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Mill
Here it has a few mustangs running the times I told you, but the 03 is modded.

How about the 01 that runs 94 mph? There's very few on that page, and the ones running 13.60's there's no way they're stock.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Mill
Not only did it go 14.03, but my 1/8 mile time was even better, but I didn't have a good enough setup to keep from having to go into OD.

Into OD in what? The 1/8? You'll never get out of 2nd gear with an automatic in the 1/8, and it shouldn't go into OD at full throttle in the 1/4 unless there's something wrong with it.

Yes OD in the 1/4. Certainly not the 1/8!

No there wasn't anything wrong with it...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: shady06
mill,

02 mustang v8 1/4 mile 14.7
02 maxima se 1/4 14.9
i'm almost sure the 2003 se was 14.7 but i cant find the link

ok, so not faster, but equal. also, keep in mind that it is very difficult to run the mustang that fast cuz its a stick so u have to get the timings down like a pro as where with the maxima you just push the pedal

Uh....do I even have to respond to that? That's the most convoluted and inaccurate statement I've heard on the net. You've never been to a track before have you? You don't just press the pedal and go because you STILL get wheelspin regardless of transmission. EVERYONE has to get their 60ft times down, and it's certainly easier to get a good 60ft on a stock mustang with a manual vs an auto. Now take a lentech with a nice stall and transbrake and you have no comparison, or even a decently stock 4r70w with a stall and decent tires and you can hook up. A stock auto in either car will have wheelspin and a crappy 60ft. With the smaller amount of torque the Maxima has it will obviously be easier to bog. BTW, the Maxima does come in 6spd and the GT has an auto trans available as well.

I ran a 14.03 in my Stock automatic. I've never seen a 99-03 GT go slower than 14.2-14.3 unless it was the driver or traction limited. The Mustang is very very very clearly the faster car. I'm not sure who the hell jbautos is, but you can check the actual timeslips I posted from Maxima forums and compare it to ones on the corral.

What the hell are you smoking, Mill? A stock automatic GT has worse wheelspin than a stick? Complete and utter horsecrap.
And adding a stall converter will make it hook up BETTER?? More horsecrap. That's totally backwards. A stall converter will make it spin WORSE. That lets the engine rev up more before pulling.
I also call BS on a STOCK GT running 14.03 with no mods. I know plenty of people with GT's that have light mods that won't run that fast, but will dust a stock GT. I've seen hundreds of runs by Mustangs, and one of my good friends is one of the premier Mustang tuners on the East Coast.....he used to have a 1200+hp-at-the-wheels 'Stang, and plenty of the cars he's tweaked won't run that fast without some light mods.
Maybe what you call "stock" isn't really stock?

Absolutely it does. I've watched hundreds of 96+ GT's run down the track, and the Manuals always had better traction than the Auto. Yes, adding a stall will help with the proper sticky tires, because then you don't BOG and have to spin to get out of the bog. It is MUCH MUCH MUCH harder to launch an auto car without a stall and/or transbrake. Why don't you go look at timeslips on the Corral asshat? I ran a fvcking 14.03 at Steele, AL with a 103MPH tap. If you don't like it then go to HELL! If your tuner buddy can't tweak a car to run faster than 14.03 then I have a good feeling he is smoking crack as well as you. Hell yeah it lets the car rev more before pulling, because we are talking drag radials here and a stall. What RPM do you think most t-45 drivers launch at? oh... about anywhere from 2200 to 3000. Compare than to a car that stalls at less than 1800. YOU GET BOG THAT WAY. Coming out of the bog requires you to pretty much floor it and then you spin. Maybe you need to actually drive one of the cars before you keep running your mouth.

I ran a 14.03 at Steele, and I have plenty of witnesses to back me up. If I could find the timeslip I would! An auto GT is going to bog like a motherfvcking at pretty much any track after stalling up a 1800. A Manual can stall and just the right RPM to where it can feather it out of the whole if it doesn't hook up. There is much more control available to the manual. Remember we are talking stock 4r70w vs stock t-45. When you add the stall you are less likely to bog and it is much easier to get the 60ft times down. Are you high? And no I don't give a goofy goddamn about the dragster that you have. I know what my car ran, and I also have seen NUMEROUS people on the corral run low 14s' to high 13's on a stock GT. If you don't believe it then you need to head over to the corral and start looking at posts.

Drag radials and a stall converter is not stock. Stock is just the way it rolls off the showroom floor, and an automatic GT off the showroom floor WILL NOT run 14-oh's or high 13's under any circumstances. I'll agree that it doesn't take much modding to get there, but it takes more than stock.
Oh, and if you think a stick is easier to drive, let's get two brand new Stangs and run them each about 10 times. I'll drive the auto and you drive the stick, and I'll bet you 100 bucks to a quart of piss that my times are far more consistent than yours.
Of course, I have more passes down the strip than you by far so it wouldn't really be fair, but your reasoning about how a stick is easier to control than an auto is just pure bull. Anyone who knows anything about drag racing knows better than that.
BTW, what was your 1/8 mile time on your "stock" GT that supposedly ran 14.03....at 103????

Here's a link to a road test of a Mach 1 that ran only 2 tenths quicker and the same MPH as you claim...with quite a bit more power than you have


Look, one thing that will be pretty much a constant, regardless of driving ability is the MPH in the 1/4. So if you have problems getting the car off the line, if you pretty much shift at the same rpm, your MPH won't be much different than if you hooked it up well.
So magazine tests are a good indicator of how fast a car is, even if you the testers can't launch as well as your local drag strip hot shots.
What I do know is this: A stall converter lets the engine rev up more before the car starts pulling....which puts the engine more up into the power range, which is MORE LIKELY to make it spin. However, with an automatic, all you have to do is modulate the gas pedal to control tire spin....a stock GT isn't powerful enough to just fry the tires forever, so it's pretty easy to get the car off the line. A stick is much harder to control, for most people. The stick has a better ET potential because of the better gear splits, but also has a greater margin for error.
Sure, with sticky tires, a stall is great because you don't have to worry much about spinning, but again, I think what you're calling stock and what I'm calling stock are two different things. You take a stall and put it in a car with stock tires and all you'll do is spin.

No, you've really got me wrong here. I'm a huge proponent of autos in drag racing, but in a case of two stocks cars the automatic is certainly not going to be the winner. My trap speed was high because it was a very traction limited run. The track was not prepped well and I had on the stock gatorbacks. The rest I'm not going to even argue about. I never said a stall with nittos was stock. In fact I said the opposite numerous times. The 4r70w transmission isn't a very good transmission stock. I ask you how much experience you have with it? From the looks of your posting very little. I've burnt through two stock ones and a Lentech, so I can tell you a little bit about the 4r70w. Stockwise it is much easier to launch a manual because of the incredibly low stock stall speed.

I'm not understanding how you can argue with me that it stalls at 1800 BECAUSE IT FVKCING DOES.

And yes, autos are normally way more consistant, but not among two amateur drivers like the original poster said. I'd love to bet you a bucket of piss(well not really), but 100 runs with two good drivers is a lot different than some random ass getting in a Maxima and pressing the gas.

All I told that guy was that STOCK autos with INEXPERIENCED drivers will typically have worse times than their manual counterpart. It has a lot to do with the fact that it takes a bit more skill for someone to learn a manual to begin with.

If I was biased again automatics would I have dropped 6 fvcking grand on a built Lentech? I think not! I think you are severely misunderstanding what I am saying. Plus, you are telling me things I already told the OP in other words.

 

[Pacfanweb]

We'll have to disagree about inexperienced drivers and which tranny will be more consistent. I still say no way that it's easier to drive a stick and get good times. An auto is much easier, you're the only person I've ever seen that says otherwise.
I also think you may not be communicating what you're trying to say that well, or I'm not understanding it.

Here's the deal with launching an automatic: If you launch a bone stock GT with the 1800 stall converter, it simply isn't going to spin as badly as if you had a higher stall converter. The higher stall speed lets the engine rev up into its powerband, which is going to promote wheel spin, not hinder it.
If you feel you can modulate between the clutch and the gas pedal better, then that's great. But the average person will be more consistent off the line with an automatic.
BUT: the average person would run a quicker ET with the stick...why? Because the stick car is faster to start with. So whatever ET the avg. dude could get out of the stick car would be much more erratic, but still faster.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
A mcclaren would be in a different class, in world challenge they keep the cars as identical as possible, added weight if cars win a lot and things like that. Don't post if you don't know what your talking about.

I meant me in my Ford Contour and you in your McClaren...

Don't post if you are going to boldly compare cars while saying it is 95% driver...

 

[boyRacer]

0-60 and 1/4 suxors... its all about turning left and right...

 

[assemblage]

Thank God I didn't get a fancy car. LOL, thank God my parents provided a car for me and paid the insurance. I got an old 78 V8 tank called a Pontiac Bonneville Brougham edition. Now adays, I think people would say it was "pimpin'". It wasn't long before I busted up a fendor or two.

 

[holdencommodore]

Were I come from a Mustang would be out of the question. While on the Learners licence from 16- 18 (where you must be accompanied with another driver) and the Probationary licence (from 18 to 21), you cannot drive a car with more then 125Kw per tonne, and there are other restrictions on certain models..... quite sensible I think.

Cheers

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Please reconsider you car choice. That is way too much power for someone of you youth and inexperience.

Statistically, you will likely wreck your first car. Wreck something else.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

omg, i cant express in words the laughter fit i just went through when i read that post [especially the part i bolded]

im sorry, but the Mustang GT's of todays era are gutless shells of what the name used to mean. The only cars that ever truly carried their own legacy on their backs are/were the Trans AM and the Corvette. The Mustang is such a joke that i pity the people that actually drive them and are proud of them [well, my pity extends to those who drive '74-current Mustangs, '64-'73 Mustangs are excellent cars and i have a lot of respect for the early years.]

 

[spynos]

Originally posted by: RaiseUp
I am looking into getting this or an Extreme, and was wondering how much do you pay for insurance?

I had one when when I was 16. Actually it was my 2nd car after the taurus died. Insurance was a pain, which I had to work 2 part time jobs just to make do with paying insurance, car loan and saving for college. Insurance cost me around $237 a month JUST FOR LIABILITY! Never had a speeding ticket OR any traffic violation. Well, until I was corrupted by college. Anyhow, unless you have money to burn or you have no future plans to attend higher education go for it. Otherwise if I were to do it again I would ditch either of those cars and settle for a Honda accord or a camery!

 

[Chrishuff1]

Man alot of you guys have really high insurance rates. I'm 19, driving a 93 VW jetta, been pulled over 8 times, got 3 tickets and been in 2 accidents. My rate is $100 a month.

 

[spynos]

Originally posted by: Chrishuff1
Man alot of you guys have really high insurance rates. I'm 19, driving a 93 VW jetta, been pulled over 8 times, got 3 tickets and been in 2 accidents. My rate is $100 a month.

something wrong there if your paying so little. possibly your insurance company have not found out or checked your record. Unless, your father is the insurance agent.

 

[Chrishuff1]

Thats what I was thinking, but its not true. Father isnt the insurance agent and as far as I know they DO know about the tickets because it went from $75 a month to $100. No big deal to me

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Please reconsider you car choice. That is way too much power for someone of you youth and inexperience.

Statistically, you will likely wreck your first car. Wreck something else.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

omg, i cant express in words the laughter fit i just went through when i read that post [especially the part i bolded]

im sorry, but the Mustang GT's of todays era are gutless shells of what the name used to mean. The only cars that ever truly carried their own legacy on their backs are/were the Trans AM and the Corvette. The Mustang is such a joke that i pity the people that actually drive them and are proud of them [well, my pity extends to those who drive '74-current Mustangs, '64-'73 Mustangs are excellent cars and i have a lot of respect for the early years.]

The 99+ Mustangs are a lot faster than the models you just listed. By far.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Please reconsider you car choice. That is way too much power for someone of you youth and inexperience.

Statistically, you will likely wreck your first car. Wreck something else.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

omg, i cant express in words the laughter fit i just went through when i read that post [especially the part i bolded]

im sorry, but the Mustang GT's of todays era are gutless shells of what the name used to mean. The only cars that ever truly carried their own legacy on their backs are/were the Trans AM and the Corvette. The Mustang is such a joke that i pity the people that actually drive them and are proud of them [well, my pity extends to those who drive '74-current Mustangs, '64-'73 Mustangs are excellent cars and i have a lot of respect for the early years.]

Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about. Did you even know that current Mustangs are faster than the old ones you mentioned?
Did you know that the old Mustangs weren't really all that fast EVER? Even the fabled Boss 351 and 429 were pretty slow. They had potential and you could make them run, but in stock form they weren't all that fast.
The truth is, any car like a Mustang GT is too much power for a new driver.

 

[PaperclipGod]

I've had a subaru WRX since i was 18 (20 now). Had a couple minor accidents, and quite a few speeding tickets. Insurance costs me $3500/yr.