Any 1911 Love?

[BladeVenom]

I don't hate guns, actually I'd consider myself a bit of a nut.

Fixed.

 

[pontifex]

I don't hate guns, actually I'd consider myself a bit of a gun nut.

your threads about them sure paint a different picture.

are you sure you didn't mean anti-gun nut?

 

[HAL9000]

your threads about them sure paint a different picture.

are you sure you didn't mean anti-gun nut?

I disagree with personal gun ownership, but I love guns, the same as I love cars, but disagree with people driving them without a license, if you want to discuss it further there's a gun thread in P&N that I'll happily discuss it with you in rather than derail this

 

[allisolm]

This thread is NOT about Hal9000, so the rest of you need to stop posting about him and focus on the thread subject. And Hal9000 needs to stop replying off the topic.

admin allisolm

 

[alkemyst]

At $500-600 you aren't getting a 'decent' gun. Search 1911 under $1000 and you will see where the sweet spot is and what comments are made on lesser guns.

 

[TallBill]

At $500-600 you aren't getting a 'decent' gun. Search 1911 under $1000 and you will see where the sweet spot is and what comments are made on lesser guns.

Not true, my bro in law has a rock island arsenal no-thrill 1911 that he got new for $400 and its a quality firearm.

 

[Texashiker]

At $500-600 you aren't getting a 'decent' gun. Search 1911 under $1000 and you will see where the sweet spot is and what comments are made on lesser guns.

Any company can manufacture crap and slap a $1,000 price tag on it.

When you are taking price:quality, you need to take into account "where" the firearm is made. The parts can be made offshore, assembled in the USA, and then the company will charge for a fully made in the USA product.

Rock Island makes a quality pistol, and charges a "not made in the USA" price.

 

[BladeVenom]

For made in the USA, Ruger SR1911 is only a little more than $600, and I've heard mostly positive reports on them.

 

[IcePickFreak]

Picked this one up last week. A Sig Sauer 1911 Scorpion. Shoots great, but is going to break me on ammo costs. My next pistol is going to be a Sig P238 Scorpion, keeping it in the family.

Looks nice. :thumbsup:

I have just a Taurus, but never had any issues with it and they aren't too expensive.

 

[alkemyst]

Any company can manufacture crap and slap a $1,000 price tag on it.

When you are taking price:quality, you need to take into account "where" the firearm is made. The parts can be made offshore, assembled in the USA, and then the company will charge for a fully made in the USA product.

Rock Island makes a quality pistol, and charges a "not made in the USA" price.

ummm where did anyone say because a gun is $1000 it's a good gun?

Like I said the OP should search google for "best 1911 under $1000" and read the tons of information on the various gun forums.

There are several names that come up EVERY time.

These are the guns I'd go and shoot (I have) and then draw your decision to what you want to buy.

Personally for me at the $1200-1500 is where I got the most bang for buck in the 1911. The $2500 guns were nicer, but much of that 'nice' was beyond the basic mechanics.

Those basic mechanics were not as nice below $800ish. The guns at $500-600 I did not like in 1911. There seemed compromises. $500-600 buys a lot of nice guns, but not nice 1911s IMHO and also in many professionals opinions.

I look at guns as something I am putting my life out there for, if one is just betting on target and plinking, then an occasional jam or misfire can be accepted.

Sure the risks of a jam happening at the same time you need your gun is rare, I don't want to be in that situation you read about. Especially when the bad guy gets your gun, clears it and then uses it on you.

Of course then you always have the chuckleheads saying it's your own fault if someone can take your gun.

Which unfortunately if true would have most people really not needing their guns. Just hulk smash everyone.

 

[Texashiker]

ummm where did anyone say because a gun is $1000 it's a good gun?

At $500-600 you aren't getting a 'decent' gun.

At what price range do the "decent" 1911s start showing up?

 

[HAL9000]

At what price range do the "decent" 1911s start showing up?

For Alkemyst it's when they are made by Rolex and cost more than $10,000

 

[alkemyst]

At what price range do the "decent" 1911s start showing up?

About $800. Springfield Loaded is a good one. These used to dip to a little over $600 a couple years ago. Today around $800 you can find them. MSRP is about a grand.

I was looking at the Springfield TRP's seriously for the extra $400-700 they go for hoping to score one at $1200.

I fired these all back to back with the standard Springfield. I also fired the Kimber II model (basic) and a Colt that was in the $1000 range. I liked the Springfields TRP and the $2500 one the best...the Kimber was close to the TRP. I considered how the guns felt, how the slide worked, how they came apart and back together, how the standard mags fit, how all the moving parts felt. I am not saying the standard Springfield was a horrible gun, but the Loaded was close enough in my book to justify the improvements. While going to the TRP was not so drastic, I trusted what others more experienced than me had to say.

Now I am really interested in the CZ P01 especially how reliable it is and much more wearable than a full-sized 1911.

There is no doubt in my mind that the 1911 is the better man-stopper. However, my decision has more things to consider. i don't think I will have an issue stopping anyone with some +p(+) 9mm and if I do I have another 13-14 of them to seal the deal.

 

[alkemyst]

For Alkemyst it's when they are made by Rolex and cost more than $10,000

personally I don't care about watches, I wear a run of the mill $300 seiko.

My wife likes watches.

 

[BladeVenom]

About $800. Springfield Loaded is a good one.

So you'll buy a Brazilian 1911, but not a Filipino 1911?

 

[HAL9000]

If I lived in the US of A and wanted to buy a 1911 I'd get either an original one, or one of the 100 year anniversary ones.

Here's a perfect 1911 IMO.

 

[BladeVenom]

Did you see the color case hardened anniversary models.

 

[helpme]

The bad:

The trigger is crap, the trigger in single action has a mile of creep.

The grip seems a little bulky for a 9mm.

The paint on the sights fade after about 20 years.


The good:

Its reliable. I bought my 92f in January of 1989; I can probably count the number of malfunctions on 1 hand.

My buddies and I used to reload and shoot a lot of 9mm. It was not uncommon for us to shoot 1,500 rounds in a single day. Regardless if it was a reload, factory, round nose, hollow point,,,, that beretta ate everything I fed it. Sometimes we would shoot anywhere from 2,000 - 3,000 rounds a month.

The only brand of ammo I had problems with was CCI blazer. For some reason the rounds turned vertical in the magazine. Don't ask how or why, but it was only CCI that I had issues with.

I shoot USPSA production with my 92fs. I don't think the safety is a big deal, it's spring loaded so all you have to do it swipe it with your thumb and it snaps off. I don't have big hands and I have no problem turning it off when drawing.

The double action is not so bad, UNLESS you are shooting the first shot using your weak hand only. I dislike stages that include that. You can help reduce the double action pull by replacing the spring with the spring from the double action only 92. Current 92fs also have a plastic trigger instead of a metal one

The sights come in 2 versions. Dot and post, and 3 dot. I think most people are used to the 3 dot, not the dot and post.

The UGLY: Unless you buy certain versions of the 92, the front sight is NOT REPLACEABLE without some serious effort since it is not dovetailed into the slide.

Big gun for only us in California since we have a huge mag that can only hold 10 rounds

 

[BladeVenom]

I don't think the safety is a big deal, it's spring loaded so all you have to do it swipe it with your thumb and it snaps off. I don't have big hands and I have no problem turning it off when drawing.

I prefer safeties to be on the frame, not on the slide.

 

[alkemyst]

So you'll buy a Brazilian 1911, but not a Filipino 1911?

It's a gun I'd recommend, I would go with a higher budget and a TRP or better.

The whole brazilian vs phillipines debate is really stupid.

 

[Texashiker]

The whole brazilian vs phillipines debate is really stupid.

No, it is not stupid.

Companies like springfield use cheap labor and then charge a premium price for their products.

Companies like rock island use cheap labor, and then charge a price that reflects the true cost of the labor.

Where are you getting your best value at? When you do not spend the extra money for the famous brandname.

My Remington is made in the USA, and it cost around $695 + tax. There is no excuse for a company to have its parts made offshore, and then charge a premium price. If I am going to buy a $800 pistol, it better be made 100% in the USA.

And I wear a $30 timex expedition.

 

[shortylickens]

No, it is not stupid.

Companies like springfield use cheap labor and then charge a premium price for their products.

Companies like rock island use cheap labor, and then charge a price that reflects the true cost of the labor.

Where are you getting your best value at? When you do not spend the extra money for the famous brandname.

And I wear a $30 timex expedition.

You pay based on the utility you get from the item, not on the cost of production. Thats why PS3's sell so cheap. No one would pay a "standard cost of production plus 10 percent" for them.

Glock manufacturing is very efficient so they manage to cut down on production costs but still charge for a high quality item. They know people will wanna buy a gun they can trust their lives with, and thats relative to the asking price.

 

[Texashiker]

You pay based on the utility you get from the item, not on the cost of production.

In that case, I guess I am a penny pinching snob.

I see no excuse for a company to use cheap labor, and then charge a "made in the USA" price - not when there are other quality products on the market.

 

[shortylickens]

In that case, I guess I am a penny pinching snob.

I see no excuse for a company to use cheap labor, and then charge a "made in the USA" price - not when there are other quality products on the market.

Fair enough. Get a Glock or Sig. You pay roughly the same as a Springfield and get better quality.

Or buy a Ruger. You get modern Made-In-USA quality for a more reasonable price.

 

[alkemyst]

In that case, I guess I am a penny pinching snob.

I see no excuse for a company to use cheap labor, and then charge a "made in the USA" price - not when there are other quality products on the market.

The reviews by pros explain the differences, also even a neophyte shooter can feel a lot of the differences with two guns next to each other.

The only people saying expensive 1911's are just a waste of money are those that cannot afford such a gun. This is also why many really recommend those on a budget to consider non-1911's.