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Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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The only people saying expensive 1911's are just a waste of money are those that cannot afford such a gun.

That is simply not true, and you know it.

I can not justify spending more then a products actual worth.

When I bought my Remington R1, I did the research, read the reviews, and decided that the R1 was the best buy. Its a made in the USA product, and Remington prices the pistol as such.

A buddy of mine suggested that I spend another $100 - $200 and get a Kimber, or maybe even a Springfield. Why should I buy an overpriced product like a Springfield?

With the reliability of the Remington, Kimber and Springfield being equal, why would I want to overspend?

I would love to have a Springfield, not for the quality, but for the brandname. But I can not justify the price for a Springfield.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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You are placing a higher quality on a cheaper gun basing it on other's are simply over-priced.

Most on the gun forums/groups are saavy shoppers and are just not throwing money at 'names'.

The CZ I am considering isn't a really well known name, is a $600 gun yet gaining a lot of attention from those firing much more expensive weapons.

Where a gun is made is hardly a good indicator.

There have been a lot of american-made duds.
 

Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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You are placing a higher quality on a cheaper gun basing it on other's are simply over-priced.

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There have been a lot of american-made duds.

I think it was guns and ammo magazine, fall 2009, or fall 2010 issue, they come out with a recommended rifle list, which just happened to be just before hunting season.

Every rifle they listed cost over $1,000. The article listed stuff like Sakos, Weatherby,,, just top of the line stuff. Not a single Remington, Ruger or Winchester was listed. And why is that?

If the military uses Remington, then Remington should be good enough for a deer hunter.

The doctor my wife works for spent several years in Alaska. He was stationed there while in the Army, and after he got out of the Army he spent several years living in Alaska. What does he use for his Alaskan hunts? Remington model 700.

It seems to me there is a rather large gap between what the so called "experts" use, and what is practical for the everyday shooter.

I own a $1,200 rifle, its a DS Arms SA58 FN/FAL. I also own a $700 Remington model 700 mountain rifle.

There is no way I am going to spend $1,000 on a 1911.

For some company to have its parts manufactured by cheap labor, then charge a premium price to the customer is a rip-off, plain and simple.

You can say the sweet spot for 1911s starts at around $800, that is fine and dandy. But do not discredit lesser expensive pistols as low quality.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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I wouldn't base what the US military issues as standard equipment an indicator as what 'works'.

Not many liked the M16.

Also idiots try to hunt with handguns and 22LR's...I trust the pros and not just magazine writers.

As much as a casual shooter like yourself thinks they are an expert, these guys live and breath gun powder daily. Firing more rounds in a month than most will fire in a lifetime.
 

Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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As much as a casual shooter like yourself thinks they are an expert, these guys live and breath gun powder daily. Firing more rounds in a month than most will fire in a lifetime.

Just because Dale Earnhardt drove a race car, that does not mean I have to buy a race car to drive around town.

I do not claim to be an expert, I am an enthusiast.

One thing I run into on a "lot" of gun forums, there seems to be 2 classes of firearms, its its great, or its junk, there is no middle ground.

When someone says they want to spend X amount of money on a firearm, someone will usually say "just spend another $100 - $200 and get brand X". Its not that there was anything wrong with the first suggestion, but if you are going to spend the money, why not get the best of the best.

When I go deer hunting, my $700 remington model 700 will do the job just as good as that $1,200 sako. But for some reason the "experts" say I need a sako?

The same thing goes for the 1911s. There is a lot of low quality stuff on the market, and there is a lot of good stuff.

Just because a 1911 does not cost a fortune does not mean its low quality.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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The only people saying expensive 1911's are just a waste of money are those that cannot afford such a gun. This is also why many really recommend those on a budget to consider non-1911's.

I have 2 Kimbers, 2 Ed Browns and a Wilson Combat 1911. I've experienced malfunctions with all of them, and overall I'm just not a fan of "classic" design. I much prefer my Sigs & H&Ks.
 

Phoenix15

Golden Member
Aug 9, 2001
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Beat this: My Colt 1911 from my great uncle, serial number 30k. Made in 1913 and has all original parts and most all of the bluing on it, but the inside of the barrel doesn't look so hot. It cycles nicely but I can't field strip it because the barrel link won't swivel out of the way... it needs to go to a gunsmith I think. I will take better pics of it one of these days.

This thing feels amazing in the hand.



I love this thing too much to shoot. Do you guys have a recommendation for a $500-$600 1911 that shoots decently?

My bro in law has Rock Island 1911 that was around $450. Zero problems in the 3-4 years he's had it. I am looking at a Taurus Duotone 1911 now. They are around the $600 range, but the features are great for the money.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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I have 2 Kimbers, 2 Ed Browns and a Wilson Combat 1911. I've experienced malfunctions with all of them, and overall I'm just not a fan of "classic" design. I much prefer my Sigs & H&Ks.

Not saying any are perfect...better than the $500-600 options for sure.

I am going with a CZ P01 because it's reliability is pretty untouchable and it can fire +P+ all day.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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LOL! They are full of fanboys.

I don't listen to fanbois.

Most that are credible don't swear by any one brand.

Hell the CZ P01 I am considering is highly criticized by the 'american only' crowd. Some still swear it's a 'commie' gun.

IMHO it's probably one of the best guns to stake your life on in a still concealable / daily carry package.
 

Unheard

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Jan 5, 2003
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I'd not shop a gun because it matches. I'd seriously fire the LCP and even a PPS if you can get your hands on one.

I've fired both, I just like the 238 better. The fact that it comes in the Scorpion design is only a bonus.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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I've fired both, I just like the 238 better. The fact that it comes in the Scorpion design is only a bonus.

cool, Sig makes great guns. I love my brothers P232. I haven't seen the 238 in person yet. I was debating the .380, but as a bigger guy I can still hide a 9mm. I may still buy a LCP for my pocket gun even though I NEVER believed in carrying a gun that way. I stopped a car break-in at dog park today and we caught them. I have to make a decision as I am just passing 40 of keeping my eyes open and approaching or do nothing. I am really worried of my own mortality now as some of my joints just don't work the same

It lives in a Maxpedition CCW holster in his Maxpedition Lunada bag. Great inconspicuous way to carry your gun. If you are asked to surrender your bag the motion you'd use is also the motion that would put your gun into your hand. Plus they can pack a lot of stuff. Great for frequent travelers. The Lunada can hold an iPad, they make a slightly smaller bag that offers everything the Lunada does, but not wide enough for the iPad. I think it's a Remora bag.
 

Unheard

Diamond Member
Jan 5, 2003
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cool, Sig makes great guns. I love my brothers P232. I haven't seen the 238 in person yet. I was debating the .380, but as a bigger guy I can still hide a 9mm. I may still buy a LCP for my pocket gun even though I NEVER believed in carrying a gun that way. I stopped a car break-in at dog park today and we caught them. I have to make a decision as I am just passing 40 of keeping my eyes open and approaching or do nothing. I am really worried of my own mortality now as some of my joints just don't work the same

It lives in a Maxpedition CCW holster in his Maxpedition Lunada bag. Great inconspicuous way to carry your gun. If you are asked to surrender your bag the motion you'd use is also the motion that would put your gun into your hand. Plus they can pack a lot of stuff. Great for frequent travelers. The Lunada can hold an iPad, they make a slightly smaller bag that offers everything the Lunada does, but not wide enough for the iPad. I think it's a Remora bag.

If you like the 9mm round (I do, I've got a full size M&P 9mm), Sig is coming out with the P938 which is a small frame 9mm. I've had the round of Kel-Tec's, P3AT/P11/PF-9, and while they did what they were supposed to do, the Sig product is much more refined and comfortable to shoot. Give the 238 a try. You can borderline target shoot with it (it has real sites on a 380).
 

boomhower

Diamond Member
Sep 13, 2007
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That is simply not true, and you know it.

I can not justify spending more then a products actual worth.

When I bought my Remington R1, I did the research, read the reviews, and decided that the R1 was the best buy. Its a made in the USA product, and Remington prices the pistol as such.

A buddy of mine suggested that I spend another $100 - $200 and get a Kimber, or maybe even a Springfield. Why should I buy an overpriced product like a Springfield?

With the reliability of the Remington, Kimber and Springfield being equal, why would I want to overspend?

I would love to have a Springfield, not for the quality, but for the brandname. But I can not justify the price for a Springfield.

You made a good pick with the R1, it's a good gun at a good price. But I would disagree Springfield is overpriced, they are a pretty good value for what your getting on most models(RO and Loaded stand out in my mind) and they have exceptional customer service. I agree Kimber is overpriced.

I still say the best value in 1911's is the STI Spartan.
 

BladeVenom

Lifer
Jun 2, 2005
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cool, Sig makes great guns. I love my brothers P232. I haven't seen the 238 in person yet. I was debating the .380, but as a bigger guy I can still hide a 9mm.

The Sig P938 is coming out soon. Similar to the P238 but in 9mm. They were showing it at the 2012 SHOT show.
 

jhansman

Platinum Member
Feb 5, 2004
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I know, you're supposed to get all misty-eyed over these guns while gazing longingly at your framed portrait of J.M Browning and scowl at those who differ (or shoot one in 9mm), but sorry-I prefer 21st century firearms (Gen. Kalashnikov's brilliant invention excepted).
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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The 232 is a well made weapon, but I found it awefully fat and heavy compared to a PPK or Bersa.
Of course Bersa makes shit guns so the only reason to play with one of those is to see how crummy the comparison can be.
 

BladeVenom

Lifer
Jun 2, 2005
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I know, you're supposed to get all misty-eyed over these guns while gazing longingly at your framed portrait of J.M Browning and scowl at those who differ (or shoot one in 9mm), but sorry-I prefer 21st century firearms (Gen. Kalashnikov's brilliant invention excepted).

What pistol do you like that isn't based on Browning's ideas?

The only design with a major change are the Boberg's.
 

pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
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I know, you're supposed to get all misty-eyed over these guns while gazing longingly at your framed portrait of J.M Browning and scowl at those who differ (or shoot one in 9mm), but sorry-I prefer 21st century firearms (Gen. Kalashnikov's brilliant invention excepted).

I think you mean Lt. Gen.
 
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