Any better alternative to Creative sound cards?

imported_elwood

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Is there any alternatives to Creative sound cards that are just as good or better? I've had some great experiences with Turtle Beach products, any recommendations?

I'm looking for something below $100.

Thanks!
 

A5

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A lot of people like the Auzentech cards (easily found on Newegg), so I think that's the head of the class for the non-Creative options at this point. Of the other contenders, Turtle Beach hasn't done anything good since the Santa Cruz, the M-Audio Revolution cards have no Vista drivers (I have the 5.1 - sounds great, but I can't use it in Vista) , and I don't really know what else is out there. The drawback with all of these is a lack of support for the latest 3D sound positioning techniques and higher CPU utilization.

If gaming sound or performance is important to you, Creative is still the best game in town.
 

gsellis

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For what application? There are better, but it also depends on what you are using it for.
 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: elwood
Originally posted by: gsellis
For what application? There are better, but it also depends on what you are using it for.

Gaming and music.
Creating and mastering music or just listening?

The Audigy 2 ZS Gamer is very stable. On most desktop speakers, it is hard for most people to notice a difference. If you were getting serious, the Avid M-Audio cards start coming in along with real monitors (creating and mastering), but not for $100. There are other choices, which YOyoYOhowsDAjello is the forum SME on.

 

crimson117

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Gaming and Music sounds like Gaming and MP3 listening to me.

Gaming: Creative is the best. X-Fi Gamer will do you well.

MP3's: No real advantage between one sound card and another, in my opinion. Speakers are more important for overall sound experience.
 

f4phantom2500

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Since you're gaming definitely go with a Creative, X-Fi if you can. They're still really good for music, and those that are better are blown away at gaming by the X-Fi. The degree to which xfi is better in gaming is greater than the degree to which they're greater in music listening. My X-fi rules in games and sounds amazing in music.
 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: crimson117
MP3's: No real advantage between one sound card and another, in my opinion. Speakers are more important for overall sound experience.

What a horrible statement....

A high bit rate LAME encoded has been shown to indistinguishable from it's a original source.

That said speakers are more important -- I wouldn't even consider a dedicated sound card till you have invested $150 (at least) in a good set of 2.1 or $250+ for 5.1 or greater speakers.

Also keep in mind HD audio specifications have greatly raised the bar on on-board audio so you do get generally speaking really good audio on most boards for next to free.
 
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Originally posted by: f4phantom2500
Since you're gaming definitely go with a Creative, X-Fi if you can. They're still really good for music, and those that are better are blown away at gaming by the X-Fi. The degree to which xfi is better in gaming is greater than the degree to which they're greater in music listening. My X-fi rules in games and sounds amazing in music.

Ell Oh Ell. More Creative FUD.

OP, what is your audio setup?
 

crimson117

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Originally posted by: Operandi
Originally posted by: crimson117
MP3's: No real advantage between one sound card and another, in my opinion. Speakers are more important for overall sound experience.

What a horrible statement....

A high bit rate LAME encoded has been shown to indistinguishable from it's a original source.
I didn't say all MP3's are created equally. But most people do not use high bit-rate LAME-encoded MP3's. Most of the popular MP3 ripping programs default to 128kbps and whatever codec. If you buy it off iTunes, I think it's also 128kbps.

But playing the same MP3 on one discrete sound card or another discrete sound card, or even on a decent integrated sound chip, that same MP3 won't sound any different to most people.

But yeah, speakers ftw
 

Bryan

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I bought an X-fi XtremeGamer for the sole purpose of finally owning a Creative product I could hook up to my case's front panel audo.

I am a pathetic little man.
 

Bluestealth

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Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Originally posted by: f4phantom2500
Since you're gaming definitely go with a Creative, X-Fi if you can. They're still really good for music, and those that are better are blown away at gaming by the X-Fi. The degree to which xfi is better in gaming is greater than the degree to which they're greater in music listening. My X-fi rules in games and sounds amazing in music.

Ell Oh Ell. More Creative FUD.

OP, what is your audio setup?

How is this creative FUD when they are the only ones who support openAL and EAX 3-5?... it may be an inconvenient fact but it is still true. It is also one of the most powerful hardware accelerated cards, if 5 fps matters to you.
If another vendor invests the money to create a hardware accelerated openAL card that also supports Linux, Creative just "may" have a problem on their hands.
Until this happens though, Creative will rule the sound gaming world.
If if it was just music I was worried about I would go with a completely different solution.
 

konakona

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Better yet, what kind of games do you really play?
Last time I checked, you need to have 5.1+ to really take advantage of EAX whatever. That does not bode well with the FACT that most if not all "multimedia speakers" are generally craptastic and it costs money to build a quality 5.1 setup.

To speak for myself, I no longer play FPS as I started playing more MMORPG and visual novels/2d fighters. For such genre, quality 2.0 or 2.1 is miles ahead of any EAX-friendly crappola, so to say EAX rules gaming is a blanket statement implying all gamers play FPS games and nothing else.

I did put in an order for an open box m200s from newegg just recently, and expecting them soon (hopefully tomorrow), which are going to replace my midiland s2-4100s. The midilands were incomparably superior to my roomate's klispch promedias - a very popular model here which sometimes gets worhipped to become the holy grail for the speakers, yet inadequate for music listening.

Ideally, I wish I could be free from financial concerns so I could go all out and buy one of those martin logan speakers and whatnot and place it in a properly constructed music listening room. Alas, a poor incomeless college student I am, and I am pretty happy with headphones. Sure my rig does cost times more than an average multimedia speaker set, but it was well worth down to every penny; I never had a better music listening experience elsewhere.

My point is, that with typical sub-promedia level speakers it may well be true that sound cards do not have much appreciable benefit at all. While we are at it, I strongly urge to you join head-fi and start investing in headphones if you havnt already. So I say, headphones FTW

That being said, I will just throw out some names for the sound cards that excel in music so it could serve as a departing point. If interested, read on at some other audio-related forums.

For limited budget, av-710 is known to be a decent source for its price. if you are considering a non-usb DAC, this would be something you might wanna look into. I am using it on my secondary rig and quite pleased with it.

Philips aurilium also has a pretty good rep for what it goes for, especially when philips had some massive price cuts from their online store.

EMU 1212M, ESI Juil@ and Audiophile 192 - these are the cards I consider sweetspot for analog music playback. I personally have a heavily modded 1212M.

In the next price bracket you have RME Hammerfall DSP, but at this point I assume going with an external DAC would be a wiser choice. DACs range from inexpensive entech number cruncher to bel cantos, but zhalou used to be the flavor of the month when I last visited head-fi.

I believe the most expensive card you could get is Lynx-II, but I keep hearing its sonic signature is on a sterile and cold side - not exactly what I would go for.

Hope this helps.
 

daizone88

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Originally posted by: VanillaH
For limited budget, av-710 is known to be a decent source for its price. if you are considering a non-usb DAC, this would be something you might wanna look into. I am using it on my secondary rig and quite pleased with it.

EMU 1212M, ESI Juil@ and Audiophile 192 - these are the cards I consider sweetspot for analog music playback.

In the next price bracket you have RME Hammerfall DSP, but at this point I assume going with an external DAC would be a wiser choice. DACs range from inexpensive entech number cruncher to bel cantos, but zhalou used to be the flavor of the month when I last visited head-fi.
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VanillaH knows what he's talking about and I would have to agree with VanillaH, it depends on what you'll be using it with. X-fi is probably the better choice for most games, but if you have a headphone rig and listen to music a lot, you might want to look into getting the EMU (around $100ish) or Juli@ (around $130ish) too. There is nothing stopping you from running both a X-fi AND a AV-710 in one computer.

I'm personally planning on buying the juli@ to use with my headphones and amp, and an X-fi for gaming, any maybe purchase an external USB DAC later on.

If I were you I'd probably stick with an X-fi for games and buy the ab-170 as well to play music if on a budget.

Also stay away from head-fi if you want to save your money. If you hang around there too long you may find yourself dropping $1000 or so within a couple of months. XD
 
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