Any CCTV experts?

cr2250

Golden Member
Sep 4, 2005
1,615
0
76
My dads company keeps getting the trucks broken into. We decided to go forwarded with a cctv system. I've been doing my best to research this topic, and I have found a few setups but just want an extra opinion. We only need four outdoor cameras.
http://www.amazon.com/Defender-SN502...=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

that is one setup i found. Any suggestions?
We have a in-house electrician, so routing the wires will not be an issue.
 

gsethi

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2002
3,457
5
81
The first decision that you have to make is whether you want a Standalone system (like in the link) or PC-based System (Geovision card).

Standalone systems are easy to setup. Just install cameras, run wires, plug and play. They may not have very many advanced features.

PC-based have more options and you can customize them to your needs.
 

LOFBenson

Member
Sep 11, 2000
123
1
0
I've dealt with a few 16 camera DVR's. The biggest problem with them is that even if you catch someone doing something on them most of the time you don't get any good shots the cops can actually use. Most of the time people were wearing hoodies or hats when they got caught on mine or things happened just off camera. We even had an employee break in after hours (they used a key) and despite it being caught on 4 cameras with the interior lights on we couldn't identify the employee.

I think this thing records at 480i and 30 fps. At that you're probably good if you can expect the person to walk within like 10ft of a camera or stand still and stare at it from farther away. Anything other than that and all you'll have is a rough description of height and size with maybe race and sex as well. Basically just a good deterrent and not much else.

Ideally, for the purposes of just needing to record one night at a time, you'd want one that could do higher resolution and frame rate. Some quick browsing shows me it looks like it would be around 2k for a 1080p 4 camera system standalone dvr system though (rough guess based on the price of sony's unit and cameras). Could do it much cheaper with a pc and with analog cameras and have the pc digitize it but cameras alone can be expensive when you start wanting night vision, rotation, zoom, wide angle, or any other features. You'd still need a pretty expensive capture card that can handle 1080p x 30fps x 4.
 

caspur

Senior member
Dec 1, 2007
460
0
0
I went from a PC based system to a stand alone, mostly due to power consumption.

*Powering a P4 24 hours a day with multiple hard drives was a huge power drain, vs a stand alone unix based dvr. Since I was using the CCTV as a media server, I debated putting in an SSD for the recording part, but after crunching the numbers, the standalone paid for itself in power usage alone.

*PC based is vastly more configurable (1080p output, masking/delay options, playback flexibility, etc.) For example, on the PC I could highlight the motion captured frames and play those back, while on a constant recording. On the standalone, its either motion record or always on, at least on the consumer level device I bought. One nice feature with either system, is that if you are watching TV and the doorbell rings, you can switch inputs and see whose at the door.

*Bundled cameras usually aren't very good quality. Most will not be able to read a license plate at any significant distance. Face quality is tolerable. May be worthwhile to buy the DVR and cameras separately for better quality. As a deterrent though, any camera (even a fake one with a blinking light) can be quite effective.

* You could do a mixed setup with an 8 channel DVR (most standalone DVRs have PTZ controls), run 4-6 fixed cameras, 1-2 PTZs (to read close up stuff). Standalone cameras usually have good IR emitters already, though you can light up more areas with a separate IR illuminator (amazon sells these for about $40 bucks).

*I have 2 redundant systems, 1 that records the exterior of the house, I have another hidden system that records the interior of the house. This serves two purposes. Intruders will never suspect two systems. Once they break in, they may disable/smash an accessible cameras, dvrs, alarms, etc. No one expects a redundant DVR. See second purpose below.

*DVR location. Some people put them in lockboxes, bury them inside of drywall, etc. I think that is a fire risk. I'd rather go with 2 systems (exterior and interior). Even if they find the main DVR and smash it, I have a second system recording their identities. Most important, in a full scale perimeter breach, where your exteriors are disabled, and you have to shoot it out, having a redundant second system allows you to mount a considerable defense since you can monitor their progress at all times.

*Integration with alarm systems. Most stand alone systems integrate fairly easily with alarm systems, so you can have your alarm dial out if motions are triggered. The PC based ones, at least consumer level, are just PCI cards with video output. Both systems can send you text messages/emails, or allow you to view them with internet explorer remotely.

One great bonus of having a CCTV setup, the UPS and Fedex drivers also leave the packages in view of the cameras. I've never had an "attempted" delivery.
 

caspur

Senior member
Dec 1, 2007
460
0
0
Another thing to stress is installation.

One of the major weaknesses I found is companies (and homeowners) contract out installs to a single company. Better integration, interoperability, etc. Bullshit.

Never permit a single company to do a full install, even if they have background checks. If you are able, do the integration yourself, but never allow any single individual to know the full layout of your system. If they know it, they can disable it. Having redundancy is critical to maintaining security.
 
Last edited:

santz

Golden Member
Feb 21, 2006
1,190
0
76
Thanks that was helpful, but can you also recommend the minimum specifications a good DVR camera should have, When i go read online, its all technical but apart from resolution, I dont understand much! I personally am lookinfg at nightvision cameras, ( regular, no zoom)
 

cr2250

Golden Member
Sep 4, 2005
1,615
0
76
The estimate I received from a local cctv installer was about 2500 w/ install. That is not including internet setup...

This is what they included 4 hi-def cameras (sony)
500gb dvr box
17 inch monitor
Labor


Now that seemed pretty high to me. Can anyone with cctv knowledge suggest good outdoor camera's, paired with a good dvr box?
 

SandEagle

Lifer
Aug 4, 2007
16,809
13
0
The estimate I received from a local cctv installer was about 2500 w/ install. That is not including internet setup...

This is what they included 4 hi-def cameras (sony)
500gb dvr box
17 inch monitor
Labor


Now that seemed pretty high to me. Can anyone with cctv knowledge suggest good outdoor camera's, paired with a good dvr box?

2500 is crazy. i bought a 4CH DVR, 250GB H.264 with 2 hi_def cams w/ infrared 540 TVL and all cables for about $400 from eBay. installed it myself and its viewable over the internet.

the higher the tvl, the better the resolution. dont go cheap on the cameras. get ones with good night vision. my cameras can also be set up to record audio
 

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
19,441
86
91
I know nothing about CCTV, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night.
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
24,326
68
91
How helpful are videos of "average sized men" going to help you?

Unless you can get high enough visibility of their license plate (if they're dumb enough to park that close) or their faces... it is pretty much useless information.

I recommend guard dogs and high voltage barriers.
 

Stifko

Diamond Member
Dec 8, 1999
4,799
2
81
... dont go cheap on the cameras.

don't go cheap on the dvd either. I got a unit with 16 inputs and a TB of disk for around $1000. I lowered the FPS to 25 and currently have only 8 cameras hooked up into it. As it is now, it can capture more than 2 months of video w/out backing up. When I get additional cameras, I will get better quality ones. The video is pretty grainey with the cams now, and I am not happy with the quality of the pics at night either. I have heard that 1/3 Inch Image Sensor is better than 1/4, but don't know what that means exactly. This is a pretty good site for pricing info:

http://www.homesecuritystore.com/

You can buy the components, a box of cable and hook it all up yourself. For $2500 or $2000 you can put together a nice system imho.
 

LOFBenson

Member
Sep 11, 2000
123
1
0
After further research, I'm not going to go with a kit. We really need that low light option and this may be the best fit
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-BB-H...pr_product_top

Pricey but I can't find anything else with a ccd sensor, weather proofing, and its POE!

Pretty much all the network cameras support POE. Those things are 640x480x30fps which seems low for $533 when you can get 1920x1080x30fps for $800 or so (Vivotek IP8362).
 

cerebusPu

Diamond Member
May 27, 2000
4,008
0
0
if you have an in-house electrician you can probably get by without an installer. they should know how to route the cables. if you have the instructions for the DVR you can probably figure out how to use it quickly.

if you do it yourself, you can spend more money on a better DVR, and higher quality cameras. you might need to do some simple calculations to figure out the viewing angles and placement of the cameras.

However, for a business it may be better to pay someone else to figure out if you want to avoid a trial and error process, and spend less of your company's time to figure it out.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
83,769
19
81
cctvcamerapros.com

these guys are really knowledgeable...I went to a NUUNO seminar they put on and may buy one soon.
 
Sep 7, 2009
12,960
3
0
Costco has some really nice CCTV setups, that's where I'd go. x2 on the other poster who said 90% of the time the cameras don't catch anything... The trick imo is try and place them where you can get a license plate number
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
16,800
45
91
I know nothing about CCTV, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night.

lol'd.

OP, you need to get the places very well lit at night and have good angles with insane resolution (Get some RED cameras for $50k each? 4k res!). If you don't have good angles to where you can identify perps, it's a useless feature that will not detour most criminals who know anything.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |