Any good reviews of retail AMD Brazos products?

[Vesku]

I want to pick up a ~12 inch form factor notebook and was hoping for some good choices with Zacate. Found this, http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/1961/4/amd-fusion-apu-review-benchmarks , review for Ontario that shows it performing similarly to an Atom N550 but with much better graphics. Any retail unit reviews of the dual 1.6GHz version?

 

[gaban]

i am also been searching for past few days and only found the one above. There will be some fusion laptop to be released this month if im not wrong, I hope to some numbers in few weeks. I cannot to wait to replace my loud laptop with fusion

 

[nyker96]

no review = good review?!

 

[Vesku]

Not sure why they aren't shipping more to review sites. I can't be the only one considering a purchase. The longer they wait the more likely I'll consider a bit more expensive i3 option.

 

[busydude]

I guess everyone is busy with CES.. things might clear up by next week, that is my hope.

 

[Vette73]

Yea I am thinking after CES and SB dies down a little AMD will let it come out. There are piles of samples out there from HP and many other makers. So just seems they are waiting for a good supply and time to come out.

I had high hopes for atom but am waiting for bobcat

 

[Nemesis 1]

I love how everyone s comparing to intels current Atom processor, I guess When intel releases Oak trail the truth will set in .

 

[BLaber]

I love how everyone s comparing to intels current Atom processor, I guess When intel releases Oak trail the truth will set in .

Yeah .. in the same way "I love how every one is comparing Nehalem & Sb to current Phenom II processor , When Buldozer will come out truth will set in :| & then Bobcat 2 will come for further truth settling" LOL

 

[Nemesis 1]

Very true^ . I hope ya got your cring towel if not PM me your mailing adderess and I will send ya one. According to Robert your in for alet down.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yeah .. in the same way "I love how every one is comparing Nehalem & Sb to current Phenom II processor , When Buldozer will come out truth will set in :| & then Bobcat 2 will come for further truth settling" LOL

Bobcat 2 were can I buy Bobcat 1.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yeah .. in the same way "I love how every one is comparing Nehalem & Sb to current Phenom II processor , When Buldozer will come out truth will set in :| & then Bobcat 2 will come for further truth settling" LOL

Point is Oak trail is being shipped to partners now . Products in Qt. 1 2011. Now if BD is shipping to partners now ya have a valid point . Intel is keeping Oak trail under wraps until release. I love how all these underpowered chips are getting so much fan fare thats great . But when IGP 3000 is mentioned the same people say its junk . Scratches head, When Bobcat can operate on my 26" screen in games at stock res . Wake me.

 

[Vesku]

So far SB OpenCL support seems to be CPU only and not GPU, so I'll take your sources info with a grain of salt. I'm looking at good enough 12-14 inch low cost mobile platform not a replacement for my main computer.

 

[Hard Ball]

Here's a decent review of one:
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/hp-pavilion-dm1.aspx#axzz1ARpP7bUF

More should be on the way this Sunday, I hear.

 

[flexcore]

Looks good.... I guess I was hoping for more, but I guess I should know better by now.

 

[Hard Ball]

Looks good.... I guess I was hoping for more, but I guess I should know better by now.

Sandy bridge competitor it is not, even on the low end; and no reasonable observer should have expected it to be. Then again, even K10.5 does not really adequately compete with S-B.

But considering the die size, the system power envelope, the parallel throughput on openCL, and the fact that it is on a soon outdated process node, it is doing remarkably well. Intel should have a lot of problems matching up at its price point. You are basically getting a $500 notebook that has the features and performance of the highest end ultra-portables 12 months ago, with a few extras like D3D11.

 

[flexcore]

I wasn't expecting it to take on the i-core series, but I guess I was just hoping for a bit more. Your right tho, at 40nm. Hopefully 32nm transition will go well and they can get the clocks up a bit more and improve efficiency further. I think AMD made a good decision on architecture for this cpu. Improving the single thread responsiveness is more important with the netbook category, than Intels approach.

 

[Hard Ball]

I wasn't expecting it to take on the i-core series, but I guess I was just hoping for a bit more. Your right tho, at 40nm. Hopefully 32nm transition will go well and they can get the clocks up a bit more and improve efficiency further. I think AMD made a good decision on architecture for this cpu. Improving the single thread responsiveness is more important with the netbook category, than Intels approach.

These should transition into the new HKMG tech by the end of this year, being fabricated on 28nm HPL. So there shouldn't be any time spent on 32nm in between, according to the current plans. The microarchitecture is about as good as it gets in terms of the combination of TLP and clock cycle bound (which determines frequency) on TSMC's 40nm, with the given die area. They pretty much exactly met their goal when they set out the roadmap for these parts; although they are not quite so fortunate with Llano.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I can't say AMD has hit a market spot here or not. Well have to watch sales here. But I think Amd missed. That performance in games wasn't all that . Reported battery life was great. But all around performance I wasn't impressed with . Its to bad I don't think they can get into tablets YET. Intel with oak trail on tablets is going to be the hot ticket. Something like this . But a sooner release as others plan . But this was the Best device at the show I thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQ0AnlfBu4&hd=1

 

[Hacp]

I can't say AMD has hit a market spot here or not. Well have to watch sales here. But I think Amd missed. That performance in games wasn't all that . Reported battery life was great. But all around performance I wasn't impressed with . Its to bad I don't think they can get into tablets YET. Intel with oak trail on tablets is going to be the hot ticket. Something like this . But a sooner release as others plan . But this was the Best device at the show I thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQ0AnlfBu4&hd=1

. Of course AMD has hit a sweet spot. The spot they hit was the 10-12 inch laptop market for around 400 dollars. Is the fancy 3000 intel graphics availbile for 400 dollars in a 10-12 inch form factor? NO! Who wants to carry around a huge brick when they can carry around a cute 10-12 inch "netbook" that actually performs well? I owned an intel 1.2ghz ulv and that was once of the better machines I had. Low heat, very light, and finally, VERY CHEAP. Only cost me 350 dollars. AMD's product is better.

Now, if I were looking to spend 700 dollars on a 13 inch notebook, would I choose AMD? No, I would choose one of the new Intel notebooks. AMD went right with bulldozer. If they made this thing more expensive(and powerful), they would have been raped by Sandybridge. Instead, they sidestepped Intel and now have their own market to hide in.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I Think that you miss the point on that sizes screen the gameplay sucked . The review one. On a tablet that gameplay would be great. But without a fan brazo isn't for tablets.

The only saving grace is power usage . Thats a big deal. Intel can come down there and more than compete on performance and price if they desire. Force AMD to sell at cost. But Intel I doubt can compete on powe usage well see . I have yet to see anything on an 11 " screen for oaktrail . But it may have way better graphics than we know.

 

[Hacp]

I Think that you miss the point on that sizes screen the gameplay sucked . The review one. On a tablet that gameplay would be great. But without a fan brazo isn't for tablets.

The only saving grace is power usage . Thats a big deal. Intel can come down there and more than compete on performance and price if they desire. Force AMD to sell at cost. But Intel I doubt can compete on powe usage well see . I have yet to see anything on an 11 " screen for oaktrail . But it may have way better graphics than we know.

Intel can not compete on cost. AMD designed bulldozer to be very cheap. Intel would have to sell their chips at a loss to compete with bulldozer. Atom can not compete because its GPU sucks. Even an overclocked atom won't match Bulldozer. Also, tablets are just a fad. Besides, ARM is going to dominate tablets.

No one is looking for something amazing. Just something that will play wow at lowest settings, maybe connect to the HD TV to watch HD movies. This GPU and CPU can handle that for a low price. Plus, it is portable. Girls can stick it in their purse and guys can put it in their backpacks.

 

[Hard Ball]

I Think that you miss the point on that sizes screen the gameplay sucked . The review one. On a tablet that gameplay would be great. But without a fan brazo isn't for tablets.

In that price range and size, mobile gaming is not going to be relevant for the products; at least not in the traditional types of PC games you are thinking about. I don't think anyone really sees them as any "gaming platform", certainly not AMD themselves. A brazos platform system might be able to do the occassional Cataclysm on the road, but no one is going to rely on an ultra-portable to be their regular gaming rig.

For serious mobile gaming, I mean systems that are specifically aimed , or really any high performance application, the only real choice you have would be a nehalem/SB based CPU + GF114/Juniper/Barts; everything else is going to be infeasible or a sub-optimal experience. Something like this would be what you are looking for:
http://hothardware.com/News/Acer-Introduces-HighPowered-AS8950G-Gaming-Laptop-At-CES/

Even on the more midrange performance laptops that can run some 3D apps at a reasonable clip, AMD won't have any credible answer until Llano arrives in 6 months.

The only saving grace is power usage . Thats a big deal. Intel can come down there and more than compete on performance and price if they desire. Force AMD to sell at cost. But Intel I doubt can compete on powe usage well see . I have yet to see anything on an 11 " screen for oaktrail . But it may have way better graphics than we know.

No, Sandy Bridge does not really play in that space either, given the manufacturing cost alone in terms of the both the die area and the cost of the process node; it's not even in the same ballpark. Also there is the fact that they will not have a sub-15W chip from that uarchitecture any time soon.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Intel can not compete on cost. AMD designed bulldozer to be very cheap. Intel would have to sell their chips at a loss to compete with bulldozer. Atom can not compete because its GPU sucks. Even an overclocked atom won't match Bulldozer. Also, tablets are just a fad. Besides, ARM is going to dominate tablets.

No one is looking for something amazing. Just something that will play wow at lowest settings, maybe connect to the HD TV to watch HD movies. This GPU and CPU can handle that for a low price. Plus, it is portable. Girls can stick it in their purse and guys can put it in their backpacks.

Atom not up against BD . BD not even in this picture. On the other. Atom can play in tablet market running windows 7. It can go up to the net books . On a 11/12" screen and performance is still on known(Oak trail ) But on this size screen and resolution The gaming performance for both isn't good enough period. Intel can also bring SB2 core down into this class at a higher price with playable games results . At higher price. It cost intel 6$ to produce Atom less if yields have increased since introduction. So Intel can sell at any price above $6 by monoply rules. I think intel will price atom very low if brazo is better its justified . Just as AMD does PHII . If AMD can buy chips from GF. for under $6 apiece . I would be surprised. Price performance is your argument . Intel has all the bases covered . Bravo was suppose to be main stream gaming on cheap platform. . I don't see that in any results I have seen . Not playable. By the 30fpm standard.

Well see how the Bigger monster from AMD does later this year.

 

[Hacp]

Atom not up against BD . BD not even in this picture. On the other. Atom can play in tablet market running windows 7. It can go up to the net books . On a 11/12" screen and performance is still on known(Oak trail ) But on this size screen and resolution The gaming performance for both isn't good enough period. Intel can also bring SB2 core down into this class at a higher price with playable games results . At higher price. It cost intel 6$ to produce Atom less if yields have increased since introduction. So Intel can sell at any price above $6 by monoply rules. I think intel will price atom very low if brazo is better its justified . Just as AMD does PHII . If AMD can buy chips from GF. for under $6 apiece . I would be surprised. Price performance is your argument . Intel has all the bases covered . Bravo was suppose to be main stream gaming on cheap platform. . I don't see that in any results I have seen . Not playable. By the 30fpm standard.

Well see how the Bigger monster from AMD does later this year.

First of all, GF doesn't make bulldozer chips. Secondly, atom doesn't even compare to bulldozer. Bulldozer is competing with Intel CULV offerings. The performance of the CPU is comparable with the CULV. The performance of the GPU is better than the 4500MHD. With the AMD graphics, you get better drivers plus you can play games like cataclysm at acceptable framerates. What's the most mainstream game out right now? World of Warcraft. The AMD graphics can play World of Warcraft at acceptable framerates. That's all that matters.

Also, AMD can offer a lower price than CULV. It can offer around atom prices. Plus, Intel can only go so low on atom prices before the price of the chip doesn't matter on the laptop. What do you think consumers would rather buy? A slow 250 dollar atom netbook or a fast 300 dollar AMD netbook with similar battery life? Atom is dead. Live with it.

 

[busydude]

First of all, GF doesn't make bulldozer chips.

I think you are confusing bulldozer with bobcat.

BD is a 32nm CPU for High end desktops and server market made by GF.
Ontario/Zacate which is meant for Brazos platform is a 40nm APU made by TSMC.