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In related news, some of IBMs top executives and recruiting agents have been spotted vacationing in India...
Originally posted by: darkxshade
Obviously my math is going to be wrong(too lazy to crunch the actual numbers) but off the top of my head if what some say is true that over 50 hrs is expected of you then you're most likely going to get a higher pay since you're going to receive 25%(10 hours over 40) in ot vs receiving a cut in 15%. Of course I may be wrong because the 25% is after the 15% cut.
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
And they wonder why their jobs are going to India ...
Originally posted by: maziwanka
there's something wrong still if they worked while they were promised the original salary and overtime. they can do this going forward, but can't retroactively apply the pay cuts
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: darkxshade
Obviously my math is going to be wrong(too lazy to crunch the actual numbers) but off the top of my head if what some say is true that over 50 hrs is expected of you then you're most likely going to get a higher pay since you're going to receive 25%(10 hours over 40) in ot vs receiving a cut in 15%. Of course I may be wrong because the 25% is after the 15% cut.
Overtime is 1.5x pay rate. So if you're working 50 hours a week, you're effectively being paid for 55 hours at the base rate. So you're getting an increase of 37.5% pay above what you would make for 40 hours.
I'll use a simplified example since it's all percentage based:
Let's assume someone making $1,000 a week right now and working 50 hours. On salary, it's only $1,000 per week.
With the 15% pay cut the base rate becomes $850 per week for 40 hours. So that's $21.25 per hour base rate. Now, let's add in that overtime. 10 hours of overtime, multiplied by 1.5, multiplied by the base rate of 21.25/hour. A total of $318.75 in overtime pay. Total pay after the "cut": $1,168.75 per week.
After the 15% "cut", the employee is still making over 16% MORE than before.
ZV
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: darkxshade
Obviously my math is going to be wrong(too lazy to crunch the actual numbers) but off the top of my head if what some say is true that over 50 hrs is expected of you then you're most likely going to get a higher pay since you're going to receive 25%(10 hours over 40) in ot vs receiving a cut in 15%. Of course I may be wrong because the 25% is after the 15% cut.
Overtime is 1.5x pay rate. So if you're working 50 hours a week, you're effectively being paid for 55 hours at the base rate. So you're getting an increase of 37.5% pay above what you would make for 40 hours.
I'll use a simplified example since it's all percentage based:
Let's assume someone making $1,000 a week right now and working 50 hours. On salary, it's only $1,000 per week.
With the 15% pay cut the base rate becomes $850 per week for 40 hours. So that's $21.25 per hour base rate. Now, let's add in that overtime. 10 hours of overtime, multiplied by 1.5, multiplied by the base rate of 21.25/hour. A total of $318.75 in overtime pay. Total pay after the "cut": $1,168.75 per week.
After the 15% "cut", the employee is still making over 16% MORE than before.
ZV
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: darkxshade
Obviously my math is going to be wrong(too lazy to crunch the actual numbers) but off the top of my head if what some say is true that over 50 hrs is expected of you then you're most likely going to get a higher pay since you're going to receive 25%(10 hours over 40) in ot vs receiving a cut in 15%. Of course I may be wrong because the 25% is after the 15% cut.
Overtime is 1.5x pay rate. So if you're working 50 hours a week, you're effectively being paid for 55 hours at the base rate. So you're getting an increase of 37.5% pay above what you would make for 40 hours.
I'll use a simplified example since it's all percentage based:
Let's assume someone making $1,000 a week right now and working 50 hours. On salary, it's only $1,000 per week.
With the 15% pay cut the base rate becomes $850 per week for 40 hours. So that's $21.25 per hour base rate. Now, let's add in that overtime. 10 hours of overtime, multiplied by 1.5, multiplied by the base rate of 21.25/hour. A total of $318.75 in overtime pay. Total pay after the "cut": $1,168.75 per week.
After the 15% "cut", the employee is still making over 16% MORE than before.
ZV
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Let's assume someone making $1,000 a week right now and working 50 hours. On salary, it's only $1,000 per week.
With the 15% pay cut the base rate becomes $850 per week for 40 hours. So that's $21.25 per hour base rate. Now, let's add in that overtime. 10 hours of overtime, multiplied by 1.5, multiplied by the base rate of 21.25/hour. A total of $318.75 in overtime pay. Total pay after the "cut": $1,168.75 per week.
After the 15% "cut", the employee is still making over 16% MORE than before.
ZV
IF!!! they were working that many before. You also see how it is left up to the managers to decide who gets overtime. Trust me its a way of hurting some and helping others. Then those that don;t get overtime will be a bad rating as person X got more work done then person Y. Well duh they had more time... etc... IBM has a LONGGGG history of doing this to employees.
Originally posted by: darkxshade
I know the time n half deal but I was told it's not a requirement of employers to pay that for salaried employees who are elegible for ot. Thus I didn't want to complicate it by throwing that idea in. I was just showing that even with a 15% base cut, most if not all employees will still come out making more than they did previously.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
the 9-5 mentality is much of what keeps America behind other nations in productivity. People here want to be paid as much as possible while doing as little as possible. The ethic in other parts of the world is to do as much as possible and find the job that pays you a fair wage to do it.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
the 9-5 mentality is much of what keeps America behind other nations in productivity. People here want to be paid as much as possible while doing as little as possible. The ethic in other parts of the world is to do as much as possible and find the job that pays you a fair wage to do it.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
the 9-5 mentality is much of what keeps America behind other nations in productivity. People here want to be paid as much as possible while doing as little as possible. The ethic in other parts of the world is to do as much as possible and find the job that pays you a fair wage to do it.
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
And they wonder why their jobs are going to India ...
Originally posted by: Ns1
sounds pretty logical to me
salary = no OT
salary = expectation that you're working more than 40 hours/week
Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: Ns1
sounds pretty logical to me
salary = no OT
salary = expectation that you're working more than 40 hours/week
absolutely not.
Salary=no ot.. sure
Salary=expectation that you will get paid X dollars on each paycheck, regardless if you are sick, take vacation days, have the ocassional day off, etc.
Where I work, we do get OT as of last year, (its half time), and are salaried, but when I was hired on, it was a 40 hour week. Now they want 45 hours or so, but I still do 40ish.
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: Ns1
sounds pretty logical to me
salary = no OT
salary = expectation that you're working more than 40 hours/week
absolutely not.
Salary=no ot.. sure
Salary=expectation that you will get paid X dollars on each paycheck, regardless if you are sick, take vacation days, have the ocassional day off, etc.
Where I work, we do get OT as of last year, (its half time), and are salaried, but when I was hired on, it was a 40 hour week. Now they want 45 hours or so, but I still do 40ish.
Well fuck, I don't know where you work, but here if your boss says "i need x done by Friday, GIT ER DONE" you get that shit done if it takes you 4 hours or 14 hours.
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: alkemyst
the 9-5 mentality is much of what keeps America behind other nations in productivity. People here want to be paid as much as possible while doing as little as possible. The ethic in other parts of the world is to do as much as possible and find the job that pays you a fair wage to do it.
Americans spend more time at work than most other countries. And the US is one of the only countries in the world where annual working time is increasing. In Japan and in Europe annual working hours are on the decline.
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ZV
Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: Ns1
sounds pretty logical to me
salary = no OT
salary = expectation that you're working more than 40 hours/week
absolutely not.
Salary=no ot.. sure
Salary=expectation that you will get paid X dollars on each paycheck, regardless if you are sick, take vacation days, have the ocassional day off, etc.
Where I work, we do get OT as of last year, (its half time), and are salaried, but when I was hired on, it was a 40 hour week. Now they want 45 hours or so, but I still do 40ish.
Well fuck, I don't know where you work, but here if your boss says "i need x done by Friday, GIT ER DONE" you get that shit done if it takes you 4 hours or 14 hours.
Where I work, we have the concept of a team and we help each other out. Many of us have families/plans/etc that supercede work. For example, I might have a buildout that needs done ASAP, and if I want to work all night long on it, I will and get overtime for it, however, if I have a scouting meeting, soccer practice, or something else going on, I'll tell my boss that and we'll work around it. Most of the time though, we dont put ourselves in that position. Home life should ALWAYS supercede work life.. ALWAYS.
On that same note, I've worked weekends for colleagues who just couldn't do it for whatever reasons and the higher ups smile on this and reward us with a day off or leaving early a few days.
Ever heard of the phrase, "Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part"? Learn to live it and your life will be much smoother and stress free.
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: Ns1
sounds pretty logical to me
salary = no OT
salary = expectation that you're working more than 40 hours/week
absolutely not.
Salary=no ot.. sure
Salary=expectation that you will get paid X dollars on each paycheck, regardless if you are sick, take vacation days, have the ocassional day off, etc.
Where I work, we do get OT as of last year, (its half time), and are salaried, but when I was hired on, it was a 40 hour week. Now they want 45 hours or so, but I still do 40ish.
Well fuck, I don't know where you work, but here if your boss says "i need x done by Friday, GIT ER DONE" you get that shit done if it takes you 4 hours or 14 hours.
Where I work, we have the concept of a team and we help each other out. Many of us have families/plans/etc that supercede work. For example, I might have a buildout that needs done ASAP, and if I want to work all night long on it, I will and get overtime for it, however, if I have a scouting meeting, soccer practice, or something else going on, I'll tell my boss that and we'll work around it. Most of the time though, we dont put ourselves in that position. Home life should ALWAYS supercede work life.. ALWAYS.
On that same note, I've worked weekends for colleagues who just couldn't do it for whatever reasons and the higher ups smile on this and reward us with a day off or leaving early a few days.
Ever heard of the phrase, "Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part"? Learn to live it and your life will be much smoother and stress free.
2 words: tax season. It's not like 1 person here gets shafted, ALL of us get shafted.