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how much would it cost to go to a mechanics to get the sway bar fixed?

i was going to get a wheel alignment today at Sears but they said there's damage to the sway bar and they can't do a wheel alignment. they put down some comments so i could take it to a body shop and have them take a look at it.

the mechanic that i went to gave me 2 options of fixing it, either get new parts or bend it back. buying new parts will result in about $400 while bending it will be half the price $200

is it a reasonable price to get it bent back? out the door it will cost me $250 with the wheel alignment done since they need to do it while bending the sway bar back.

btw, the car in question is a Honda Accord 96.

thanks in advance for any feedback
 

Iron Woode

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get a new one.

bent sway bars are not good. The bend is now a weak point.

Check for an aftermarket bar as it may be cheaper than stock.
 
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Originally posted by: Iron Woode
get a new one.

bent sway bars are not good. The bend is now a weak point.

Check for an aftermarket bar as it may be cheaper than stock.

the mechanic showed me where it was bent, but i honestly wasnt able to tell. but i take the mechanics word for it only because Sears had sent me away saying they cant do a wheel alignment due to the sway bar being bent.

my budget is low, i dont want to spend too much money on this car.

so lets say i get another sway bar afterall, what would the labor be to install it? would you happen to know?
 

Vette73

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Go to a salavage yard and get one for less then $50 or get the high end aftermarket ones listed above. not to hard to install either if you want to do it. If you get a used one make sure to go to advance, autozone, etc... and get new center bushings and end links for the bar.


BUT how did it get bent? A sway bar is not the lowwest part of the car and there should be other damage. I would have a independent auto tech look at it. I, years and years ago, worked at sears and can say they are not much better then a Firestone or other national shops.
 
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Go to a salavage yard and get one for less then $50 or get the high end aftermarket ones listed above. not to hard to install either if you want to do it. If you get a used one make sure to go to advance, autozone, etc... and get new center bushings and end links for the bar.

..yeah i have no idea what those terms are....bushings...end links and so forth...the only reason why i recognize those words is because the Sears guy put those terms down on the comments/notes for the mechanic i decided to go to.

i really have no experience with cars let alone fixing them. but if i bought a sway bar and other necessary parts, would the price be less? ...in other words what would the approximate labor be ?
 

Nyical

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All else fails find a used one thats in good condition and get new bushings and install yourself, should be alot cheaper then buying a new one or running the risk of bending back the old one and weakining the metal at were the bend is.



edit for speelin.
 
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Go to a salavage yard and get one for less then $50 or get the high end aftermarket ones listed above. not to hard to install either if you want to do it. If you get a used one make sure to go to advance, autozone, etc... and get new center bushings and end links for the bar.


BUT how did it get bent? A sway bar is not the lowwest part of the car and there should be other damage. I would have a independent auto tech look at it. I, years and years ago, worked at sears and can say they are not much better then a Firestone or other national shops.

left side of my car (tire and some other junk in the front end) hit the curb, and it pushed the sway bar in. thats how the mechanic predicted it....not in those exact words but just to my extended comprehension of it.
 

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Originally posted by: leggomyeggroll
..yeah i have no idea what those terms are....bushings...end links and so forth...the only reason why i recognize those words is because the Sears guy put those terms down on the comments/notes for the mechanic i decided to go to.

i really have no experience with cars let alone fixing them. but if i bought a sway bar and other necessary parts, would the price be less? ...in other words what would the approximate labor be ?

Get a Haynes manual if you want to learn to fix it yourself.
 

jupiter57

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All good advice above, but I have more advice:

All, and I mean All, alignment techs (or shops) make their profit NOT by aligning your front end, but by selling you a part(s) you may or may not need. (That's why alignments are so cheap)

Case in point: I once had an older Pontiac Firebird, I was restoring it and decided to have the front end aligned one day.
Took it to the shop, mechanic raises it and tells me that he can't align it because the drag link is worn. I tell him I'll put one on it and bring it back. Put on a new one, (checked the Tie-Rods, as they attach to the drag link, they were good and tight) take it back to him, he raises it again and then tells me that he hadn't noticed the first time, but that all the tie-rod ends were worn.
I tell him I will put new ones on and be back, (Just an easy out, as I knew then he was "yanking my chain), he then gives me a rather disgusted look and says something to the effect that he probably won't have time to do it if i don't let HIM install them NOW!

The last vehicle I had aligned, was at an old friends new shop, we talked and he admitted that replacement parts were where the real money was, I said I had assumed as much. He said that any vehicle CAN be aligned, as long as ball joints, etc were not totally worn, however, if you have it aligned and then install new parts, the old alignment may not be precise. He aligned my truck without any new parts.

Ask anyone if they have ever had an alignment witout having to purchase something more!

Just my $.02, but I hope this will help someone at some time.
 

Chryso

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Originally posted by: jupiter57
All good advice above, but I have more advice:

All, and I mean All, alignment techs (or shops) make their profit NOT by aligning your front end, but by selling you a part(s) you may or may not need. (That's why alignments are so cheap)

I don't think that is the case here because Sears said they couldn't do the work.
 

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Originally posted by: Chryso
Originally posted by: jupiter57
All good advice above, but I have more advice:

All, and I mean All, alignment techs (or shops) make their profit NOT by aligning your front end, but by selling you a part(s) you may or may not need. (That's why alignments are so cheap)

I don't think that is the case here because Sears said they couldn't do the work.


they cant put a sway bar on? A sway bar is a matter of unbolting 8 bolts.

 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: davew0670
Originally posted by: Chryso
Originally posted by: jupiter57
All good advice above, but I have more advice:

All, and I mean All, alignment techs (or shops) make their profit NOT by aligning your front end, but by selling you a part(s) you may or may not need. (That's why alignments are so cheap)

I don't think that is the case here because Sears said they couldn't do the work.


they cant put a sway bar on? A sway bar is a matter of unbolting 8 bolts.



Of course they could easily put a sway bar in. The problem is that the OP doesn't understand what a sway bar is and how it affects the wheel alignment in this case. Because of this lack of understanding, he didn't pay to have the work done, is confused, and is posting here about it. The work that "couldn't be done" was setting the wheel alignment without first getting the sway bar replaced.

My suggestion to the OP: Do some basic research to learn this stuff. It's not rocket science, and your newfound understanding will either allow you to do such simple repairs yourself, or learn to avoid getting ripped off by auto repair shops in the future.
 

SupaDupaCheez

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Sway bars are usually very easy to replace. A mechanic can do it in less than 10 minutes. A novice can do it in about an hour (includes reading the Haynes/Chilton manual). Depending on the car, don't get suckered into 'performance' suspension pieces unless that is your goal. If you have a corolla (or something like it), buy the generic parts (these usually come with a lifetime warranty through places like AutoZone or Advance). Installation is usually 4-6 nuts/bolts.

After replacing EVERY SINGLE SUSPENSION PIECE (Body bushings, transmount bushing, engine mounts, shocks, springs, ball joints, upgraded sway bars, travel stops.....you get the picture) on my Chevelle (see sig), I took it to Conrads (a large local chain in North East Ohio) to have it aligned. The guy put it on the rack and had all of the 'mechanics' in the shop come look at it. After about 10 minutes, the shop manager walked over to look at it. The shop manager then printed out 5 (yes FIVE) sheets of paper and walked over to me. He then proceeded to inform me that since my car is so old (1970), that most of the suspension parts will need to be replaced. He then gave me a total estimate of $1500!!! I almost busted the guy in the mouth. I told the guy that EVERY F-ING SUSPENSION PART WAS JUST INSTALLED and had less than FIVE miles on it (the distance to the shop from my garage). He then said, and I quote, "I seriously doubt that. By the looks of all the parts, they are at LEAST 20 years old." I then asked him if he happened to notice the brand new POWDERCOATING on the sway bars, coils, upper/lower A-arms (all of which were on his 'list'). He said no. Then I blew a fvcking cork!!! My Dad was trying to calm me down (didn't work) when I told the asshole to follow me to the car. I pointed out everything that was new (and was VERY obviously new). His reply was "Sorry about that, I didn't notice all the new stuff" :|:roll:

After a few expletives (ok....a LOT of expletives). I told him to get my fvcking car off the lift and that I was going somewhere else that wasn't going to screw me. He then tried to hold my car hostage because I refused to pay the $50 'inspection' fee. I told him to call the damn cops and i'd show them what he was trying to do to me (and probably others). He said he didn't care. I then proceeded to pull out my cell phone and dial information for Channel 3 News. He about sh!t his pants on the spot. Needless to say....I got my car back and an offer for a free alignment. I told him to shove the coupon up his ass.

Now, I know these guys try this on people who don't seem to know a whole lot about their cars but when a guy brings a 1970 Chevelle (that is OBVIOUSLY almost completely restored) into a shop and is dressed in greasy work clothes, wouldn't you think that the assholes would at THINK 'this guy knows something about cars...we shouldn't fvck with him'?

I feel sorry for women and guys who know nothing about cars and get raped by assholes like this.

My rule of thumb for car n00bs: If the estimate is over $150 to fix your car...get a second opinion. If you go to a big chain first, go to a reputable independant second and vica versa. If you don't know about cars, ask people you know who they use and what kind of CUSTOMER SERVICE they received. Shady mechanics usually have CRAPPY customer service.

Not trying to scare you, just trying to inform you of possibilities.

SDC

PS: I know you are short on cash but DO NOT 'fix' the sway bar. Bends in a sway bar are 'usually' so slight that you cannot see. I guarantee that the sway bar will bend again. They CAN align the car (although not PERFECTLY....but very close). You have to remember though, if you have a bad alignment, your tires WILL get toasted. You WILL pay the 'extra 200' one way or another (either tires, aligments, or sway bar). It's up to you which one.
 

davew0670

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thats quality, cheese!

If you own a car, you should own the haynes/chilton manual. That $15 investment has saved me thousands.
 

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If your car is old and live in a rusty environment you might want to have access to air tools if you're doing it by yourself. Those underside bolts can be really really stubborn to take off.
 

SupaDupaCheez

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Originally posted by: vegetation
If your car is old and live in a rusty environment you might want to have access to air tools if you're doing it by yourself. Those underside bolts can be really really stubborn to take off.

PB Blaster FTW
 

SupaDupaCheez

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Originally posted by: CFster
A sway bar has no effect on alignment.

Actually, depending on the car and the setup, it MAY have SOME effect on Camber or Toe (can't remember which is which). This is because a sway bar changes the characteristics of how the car responds to the road. A bent sway bar may change the geometry of the front end (or rear end) just enough to cause uneven tire wear. It probably won't change how your car follows a straight line (IE: Doesn't 'pull' one way or the other).

Now....i'm not real familiar with how sway bars act on newer cars. On my Muscle cars, they (the front sway bar) attatch to the lower control arms via a long 'bolt' that allows it to 'float' well above the control arm. The other ends of the sway bar attatches to the inner frame of the car. If you tighten one of the ends that are attatched to the control arm 'all the way down' and only tighten the other end a little, it DEFINITELY changes the handling characteristics and the way the tire patch hits the ground (trust me.....I did this by accident ).


REAR sway bars should have very little effect on alignment as long as you have a solid axle. If you have IRS, I would think it would attatch the same way as the front (but I have no experience with rear sway bars on IRS)
 

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Originally posted by: SupaDupaCheez
Sway bars are usually very easy to replace. A mechanic can do it in less than 10 minutes. A novice can do it in about an hour (includes reading the Haynes/Chilton manual). Depending on the car, don't get suckered into 'performance' suspension pieces unless that is your goal. If you have a corolla (or something like it), buy the generic parts (these usually come with a lifetime warranty through places like AutoZone or Advance). Installation is usually 4-6 nuts/bolts.

After replacing EVERY SINGLE SUSPENSION PIECE (Body bushings, transmount bushing, engine mounts, shocks, springs, ball joints, upgraded sway bars, travel stops.....you get the picture) on my Chevelle (see sig), I took it to Conrads (a large local chain in North East Ohio) to have it aligned. The guy put it on the rack and had all of the 'mechanics' in the shop come look at it. After about 10 minutes, the shop manager walked over to look at it. The shop manager then printed out 5 (yes FIVE) sheets of paper and walked over to me. He then proceeded to inform me that since my car is so old (1970), that most of the suspension parts will need to be replaced. He then gave me a total estimate of $1500!!! I almost busted the guy in the mouth. I told the guy that EVERY F-ING SUSPENSION PART WAS JUST INSTALLED and had less than FIVE miles on it (the distance to the shop from my garage). He then said, and I quote, "I seriously doubt that. By the looks of all the parts, they are at LEAST 20 years old." I then asked him if he happened to notice the brand new POWDERCOATING on the sway bars, coils, upper/lower A-arms (all of which were on his 'list'). He said no. Then I blew a fvcking cork!!! My Dad was trying to calm me down (didn't work) when I told the asshole to follow me to the car. I pointed out everything that was new (and was VERY obviously new). His reply was "Sorry about that, I didn't notice all the new stuff" :|:roll:

After a few expletives (ok....a LOT of expletives). I told him to get my fvcking car off the lift and that I was going somewhere else that wasn't going to screw me. He then tried to hold my car hostage because I refused to pay the $50 'inspection' fee. I told him to call the damn cops and i'd show them what he was trying to do to me (and probably others). He said he didn't care. I then proceeded to pull out my cell phone and dial information for Channel 3 News. He about sh!t his pants on the spot. Needless to say....I got my car back and an offer for a free alignment. I told him to shove the coupon up his ass.

Now, I know these guys try this on people who don't seem to know a whole lot about their cars but when a guy brings a 1970 Chevelle (that is OBVIOUSLY almost completely restored) into a shop and is dressed in greasy work clothes, wouldn't you think that the assholes would at THINK 'this guy knows something about cars...we shouldn't fvck with him'?

I feel sorry for women and guys who know nothing about cars and get raped by assholes like this.

My rule of thumb for car n00bs: If the estimate is over $150 to fix your car...get a second opinion. If you go to a big chain first, go to a reputable independant second and vica versa. If you don't know about cars, ask people you know who they use and what kind of CUSTOMER SERVICE they received. Shady mechanics usually have CRAPPY customer service.

Not trying to scare you, just trying to inform you of possibilities.

SDC

PS: I know you are short on cash but DO NOT 'fix' the sway bar. Bends in a sway bar are 'usually' so slight that you cannot see. I guarantee that the sway bar will bend again. They CAN align the car (although not PERFECTLY....but very close). You have to remember though, if you have a bad alignment, your tires WILL get toasted. You WILL pay the 'extra 200' one way or another (either tires, aligments, or sway bar). It's up to you which one.
LOL

Something like that happened to my friend. He took his 1973 Nova hatchback to get a front end alignment at a Firestone dealership. He just had new tie rods and ball joints installed and wanted the alignment done. The gave him the same spiel. He told them to get his car out of there. I LOL when he told me about that. I told him I wouldn't put air in my tires at that place.

I get my front alignments done at a trusted shop that won't screw anyone around.

I also did the front swaybar on my 1979 Chysler myself. I got the energy suspension urethane front swaybar bushing set for the 1" bar I have. It took about a 1/2 hour in total but I did break a bushing bracket bolt and had to get a replacement from the dealer. The results were amazing. The whole front was seriously tighter and handling improved tremendously. And I won't have to replace those bushings for a long time, if ever.

I also replaced my transmission mount bushing with a urethane one from energy suspension.


 
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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: davew0670
Originally posted by: Chryso
Originally posted by: jupiter57
All good advice above, but I have more advice:

All, and I mean All, alignment techs (or shops) make their profit NOT by aligning your front end, but by selling you a part(s) you may or may not need. (That's why alignments are so cheap)

I don't think that is the case here because Sears said they couldn't do the work.


they cant put a sway bar on? A sway bar is a matter of unbolting 8 bolts.



Of course they could easily put a sway bar in. The problem is that the OP doesn't understand what a sway bar is and how it affects the wheel alignment in this case. Because of this lack of understanding, he didn't pay to have the work done, is confused, and is posting here about it. The work that "couldn't be done" was setting the wheel alignment without first getting the sway bar replaced.

My suggestion to the OP: Do some basic research to learn this stuff. It's not rocket science, and your newfound understanding will either allow you to do such simple repairs yourself, or learn to avoid getting ripped off by auto repair shops in the future.

i'd appreciate it if you wouldn't put words in my mouth, i never said i didnt understand how sway bars affect alignment, the sears guy clearly explained it, i just dont know how to install it and what other parts (sucha s the bushing and end links) comes into play, at least not prior to the information given here.

sure it's not rocket science, but at the same time not everything comes easily to everybody especially if they lack first hand experience on it.

anyways, i'm going with what everybody says here. and the only reason why i came here instead of having the mechanic fix it was because he would do it for over 400 bucks, something i didnt find satisfying, hence i was looking for an alternative choice.

but i appreciate the goodwill in the recommendation of learning it myself to do it myself in the future.
 
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