any news on the 2407?

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Zebo

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Originally posted by: darXoul
Originally posted by: Zebo
hehe beat me to it see Edited..

Ah yes, OK

What about the viewing angle on the 204b? It's pretty huge so the vertical angle is somewhat troublesome... OTOH, if you can sit dead on in front of the monitor, it shouldn't bother you much. I've seen the 204b in store and didn't seem too bad but I seriously don't know what I'd claim after hours of gaming.

Veiwing angle is horrible from a vertical standpoint Which is fortunate 204B has hight adjustments to remedy that for you unlike say a 924 from veiwsonics. Horizontal was fine to about 45* then distortion occured. All these manufactures lie on view angle. even 170* stated by S-IPS is a joke...good to about 65* IMO.
 

Zebo

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Go ahead and try 204B I'd really like to hear your thoughts connected to a real comp and real DVI video card - store is'nt always going to give best representation as you know. You can always return if it's unsatisfactory?

Personally I'm either getting the HP 23" or that NEC 20" , both S-ips.. Waiting to see if price moves at all downwards on the NEC before dicisioning.
 

darXoul

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Go ahead and try 204B I'd really like to hear your thoughts connected to a real comp and real DVI video card - store is'nt always going to give best representation as you know. You can always return if it's unsatisfactory?

Well, that's the point. It's not America, man. In Poland, there is a consumer protection law stating that you can return any purchase (with some irrelevant exceptions) within 10 days from purchase without providing any reason or justification. Too bad most stores do what they want - i.e. if you return something, it's only RMA or the original package / box has to be 100% intact, not revealing any indications of use. In theory, it applies only to software but in practice, it's applied to hardware as well.

Summarizing this with one word: sucks.

The good thing is that I can buy any 20 incher with 0 dead pixel / 0 dead subpixel within 8 inches from screen center / max 1 dead subpixel on the entire panel surface warranty.
 

bjc112

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Originally posted by: JBT
Don't forget to get a video card that supports HDCP oh wait there aren't any.

Also Tom is an Idiot. there are plenty of us who use the 2405 daily for games and it rocks.

Agreed!
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: darXoul


Summarizing this with one word: sucks.

Agreed. This would never fly in USA. Does with software but only because most people don't buy it anyway.
The good thing is that I can buy any 20 incher with 0 dead pixel / 0 dead subpixel within 8 inches from screen center / max 1 dead subpixel on the entire panel surface warranty.
Oh I forgot to mention, that viewsonic 924 had a RED on pixel right in the middle of screen.. have no Idea how that would pass QC other than they don't have a QC.
 

darXoul

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Agreed. This would never fly in USA. Does with software but only because most people don't buy it anyway.

I did a bit more research in the LCD store which provides these pretty useful "Pixels OK" warranties for a fee. Looks like the return policy isn't as bad and restrictive as I thought. Hardware cannot bear any signs of having been used. Of course, interpretations can be different but consumers in my country can easily appeal to the so-called UOKiK (Office for Consumer and Competition Protection) against shady practices

Maybe I'll give the 204b a try. OTOH, the new S-IPS panels from LG.Philips look good - response time can be as good as 12 ms on/off and 6 ms g2g which on IPS should be OK. Not even mentioning great viewing angles and colors.
 

darXoul

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i hear that samsungs 24incher is much better

In terms of response time, for sure.

Unfortunately, the same "deal breaker" issue is reported in its case - namely input lag.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: darXoul
Originally posted by: Zebo
Agreed. This would never fly in USA. Does with software but only because most people don't buy it anyway.

I did a bit more research in the LCD store which provides these pretty useful "Pixels OK" warranties for a fee. Looks like the return policy isn't as bad and restrictive as I thought. Hardware cannot bear any signs of having been used. Of course, interpretations can be different but consumers in my country can easily appeal to the so-called UOKiK (Office for Consumer and Competition Protection) against shady practices

Maybe I'll give the 204b a try. OTOH, the new S-IPS panels from LG.Philips look good - response time can be as good as 12 ms on/off and 6 ms g2g which on IPS should be OK. Not even mentioning great viewing angles and colors.


Best of luck

which moniotrs are these new S-IPS featured in? Have any links? I would'nt mind checking that out before commiting to the 20" $700 NEC.. My feeling was industry seems to be moving away from S-IPS due to cost... and since everyone is cheap.. well... there is limited market. TN's are huge for a reason and it's not IQ.
 

pcmodem

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Was at Fry's yesterday during lunch...

Saw a Samsung 204B and was impressed

No idea as to the specs but the fishtank screen saver looked beautiful.



Cheers,
PCM
 

darXoul

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Best of luck

which moniotrs are these new S-IPS featured in? Have any links? I would'nt mind checking that out before commiting to the 20" $700 NEC.. My feeling was industry seems to be moving away from S-IPS due to cost... and since everyone is cheap.. well... there is limited market. TN's are huge for a reason and it's not IQ.

thx

The new panels I'm interested in (23" wide 6 ms and 20" 8 ms) are just panels so far, I think. No monitors featuring them available as of now. It shouldn't take long though.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: Zebo
which moniotrs are these new S-IPS featured in? Have any links? I would'nt mind checking that out before commiting to the 20" $700 NEC.. My feeling was industry seems to be moving away from S-IPS due to cost... and since everyone is cheap.. well... there is limited market. TN's are huge for a reason and it's not IQ.

Right now the NEC is the only one with the automatic contrast adjustment (makes a major difference for black level, grays, and skin tones).
 

Jazzatola

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Anyone have some new info?

I'm hanging on for the 2407 in the hope it will have HDCP support but if not I'll try and pick up a cheap 2405 before they're all gone.
 

yacoub

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ok now someone post the specs in English please

Curious to know if it still has all the inputs (component, composite, s-video, VGA, and DVI-D. don't care about the card reader or USB) and what specs have improved.

edit: here's the altavista babblefish hackjob:

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darXoul

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Essentially, if it's input lag-free, it's a very good monitor I might even consider instead of the new IPS displays, despite a bit worse colors and viewing angles on S-PVA. 6 ms g2g response is really OK for gaming, as reviews and screenshots on HWFR/lesnumeriques show. If it still has the mouse lag though, it's a deal breaker for me.
 

yacoub

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yeah same here. what it really comes down to though, is price. considering it's almost identical to the 2405, if they try to price it higher, i wouldn't buy it. the 2405 has been out for a couple years now, so to release another 24" display with the same features, spe,cs and native res at more than $900-1000 would be a joke. I'm sure for the first week or so they will sell it at MSRP of around $1000, but then if volume isn't high they might put up a nice sale like the 2405 is currently on, which is when I'd consider it. $799 is good.
 

brailroad

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price (from the dell site)

just a simple recalculation

157500 YEN = 1122.19 Euro = 1,355.21 Dollar
 

Jazzatola

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= £772.99

But here in the UK its more likely to be

157500 YEN = 1122.19 Euro = 1,355.21 Dollar = £1,355.21

 

yacoub

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No I don't believe prices normally convert directly over. Usually it's more like they keep the same numbers, like on cars. 1,122 pounds would generally sell for around 1,122 dollars as well. besides, the 2405 is $799, regular $999. Absolutely no way can they reasonably expect to MSRP it above $1099. $1122 is ~$1099 so it could make sense to see a 1,122 Euro or GBP price and a $1,099 USD price. Either way, Dell can call me when it's $799 and hope I don't already have another competitor's product.
 

MuuMuu

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Originally posted by: brailroad
price (from the dell site)

just a simple recalculation

157500 YEN = 1122.19 Euro = 1,355.21 Dollar

Dell Japan had a sale on the 2407's for 80000yen That lasts till the end of 3/22 in Japan. Around ~$750 for the panels I guess, though they may be trying to boost initial sales is all.

While I was looking around for info on the Japanese sites though, I did run into quite a few forum threads on high amts of eyestrain that the LG panels 2405's are using are causing, and that the 2407 can be worse if it's using a S-PVA panel by Samsung. I'd ordered a 2405 from Costco a week ago and was planning on cancelling it after hearing of the 2407 coming out, but this has made me a little worried...
 
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