Any of you guys use Winamp?

[Winchester]

I use my >>| key on my keyboard for next. I am not going to reactivate the window and click random or next every time I want to change songs.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
What MP3 decoder does Foobar use? MAD?

MPG123 (mpglib), and you can get MAD if you want (I can't ABX any difference, so have stuck w/ ,pglib).

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Winchester
Winamp > Foobar in first 2 minutes
Much Smaller real estate
Cant change songs with keyboard unless the window is activated. I can use my |<< >>| keys on my logitech keyboard to switch songs in Winamp, not in Foobar.
Takes a long time to load a directory of songs. Took 10 seconds foobar vs. almost instant in winamp.
When on Random, clicking next doesnt go to another Random song.

that's right about how I feel after having tried Foobar.

Having been a winamp user for years, it took a week or two to really grow on me. Masstagging and kernel streaming are probably the biggest factors in winning me over, and its configurability is big too. And again, it takes longer to load if you change nothing because foobar is set to read id3 tags upon loading a playlist / folder by default while winamp isn't. It's just not readily apparent at first glance how powerful a tool it is because every option doesn't have a flashy button... but they're there.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dwell
Winamp jumped the shark a long time ago.

how does a program jump the shark?

especially with all the older versions easily availible.

Especially when you don't even know if the shark can shoot laser beams at you from its head...

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Winchester
Winamp > Foobar in first 2 minutes
Much Smaller real estate

Er, not unless you don't use the playlist. With Foobar2000, the main player window will not get in the way of the playlist. Far less real estate, as about half of the Winamp main window's height is all that you need for everything. You can bring it down to less, if you want.

Cant change songs with keyboard unless the window is activated. I can use my |<< >>| keys on my logitech keyboard to switch songs in Winamp, not in Foobar.

You haven't looked very far. You can make custom keyboard shortcuts quite easily. By default, I don't think there are any global shortcuts (nor should there be). Select the action in the lower pane, hit the key, and then click add.

Takes a long time to load a directory of songs. Took 10 seconds foobar vs. almost instant in winamp.
When on Random, clicking next doesnt go to another Random song.

Winamp usually does not read the song's metadata immediately, while FB2K does (I do wish there were a quick search plugin). Of course next does not go to the next random song, it's NEXT. That's why there is a random play button (>|/<|), and when defining keybaord shortcuts, there is a next/random option just for that use. Also, I'd recommend getting foo_shuffle.

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: ndee
Buggy? It never crashed for me and I'm using it ALOT.

1.I'm glad you haven't experienced problems with it, but a lot of people have - check out this thread - especially managing large collections.

Bloaty? Well guess what, it is slow if you have 6000+ songs right at your finger tip

2.foobar isn't.

How long does it take you in Winamp to find a song from an artist?

3.About a second using the mouse, much faster than typing in what I want.

Quicktime is also better than Windows Media player. Your point was?

4.I disagree, as do many others. Whether you like it or not is your opinion and I won't tread on that, but I'll admit I'm curious why you feel people shouldn't be able to make that decision on their own &amp; install it only if they want to, and have it reset their file associations only if they want (rather than have it do so automatically even when asked not to).

1. I have 6000+ songs and no problem at all. Some might say that's not a large collection but whatever.
2. OK, it uses less RAM(I just tested it), I give you this point but that's not a problem with my computers I'm using. When I listen to MP3s, I'm normally writing something, browsing, etc. I'm not listening to MP3s while playing a game so it doesn't affect the performance at all.
3. Foobar is one big mess IMO. If you have more than 50 playlists, tuff luck I guess. I like the organisation in Playlists. If I want to jump to a song, iTunes is much faster.
4. I quote you: "What does popularity have to do with it?". But true, you're happy with foobar, I am with iTunes :beer:

 

[Wanescotting]

NO

 

[quakefiend420]

piss on winamp...or jizz on its head, whatever

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: shilala
I can't get winamp to play back in 5.1 surround. I think I need some sort of plugin to make the adjustment? What the hackin do I have to do with it?

You need to set windows to play back in 5.1

Open the sound menu from the control panel and explore.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: quakefiend420
piss on winamp...or jizz on its head, whatever

Wow...a mature AND informative post.

:beer:

 

[Hyperblaze]

I love using wiinamp, it's the only thing I use.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Jero
I love using wiinamp, it's the only thing I use.

Been using winamp since the late 1.xx days for audio....iTunes just repulses me. Too controlling. Foobar sounds decent but winamp makes me happy, so I stick with it.

I still primarily use WMP for video though, I actually like using a seperate program for video and audio since it does not disturb my current paused song when I watch clips.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Jero
I love using wiinamp, it's the only thing I use.

Been using winamp since the late 1.xx days for audio....iTunes just repulses me. Too controlling. Foobar sounds decent but winamp makes me happy, so I stick with it.

I still primarily use WMP for video though, I actually like using a seperate program for video and audio since it does not disturb my current paused song when I watch clips.

the only thing wmp is useful for is wmv files. And that is because it is hard to get a codec for it in winmap.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Jero
I love using wiinamp, it's the only thing I use.

Been using winamp since the late 1.xx days for audio....iTunes just repulses me. Too controlling. Foobar sounds decent but winamp makes me happy, so I stick with it.

I still primarily use WMP for video though, I actually like using a seperate program for video and audio since it does not disturb my current paused song when I watch clips.

the only thing wmp is useful for is wmv files. And that is because it is hard to get a codec for it in winmap.

Zoomplayer does a good job, though .

 

[Bassyhead]

Originally posted by: Gurck
foobar2k > *

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Jero
I love using wiinamp, it's the only thing I use.

Been using winamp since the late 1.xx days for audio....iTunes just repulses me. Too controlling. Foobar sounds decent but winamp makes me happy, so I stick with it.

I still primarily use WMP for video though, I actually like using a seperate program for video and audio since it does not disturb my current paused song when I watch clips.

the only thing wmp is useful for is wmv files. And that is because it is hard to get a codec for it in winmap.

Zoomplayer does a good job, though .

for wmv files?

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Jero
I love using wiinamp, it's the only thing I use.

Been using winamp since the late 1.xx days for audio....iTunes just repulses me. Too controlling. Foobar sounds decent but winamp makes me happy, so I stick with it.

I still primarily use WMP for video though, I actually like using a seperate program for video and audio since it does not disturb my current paused song when I watch clips.

the only thing wmp is useful for is wmv files. And that is because it is hard to get a codec for it in winmap.

Zoomplayer does a good job, though .

for wmv files?

So far. WMVs of both recent lipsync'ing problems play, and WMP is not associated with anything.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: dawks

Originally posted by: shilala
How bout the 5.1 Surround setting?
I've dug through all the settings I can find and I can't get this thing to pick up all the channels.
I'm running 5.08.
I googled it and found that 2.91 needed an ACR? plugin to support surround.

Plugins -> Output -> DirectSound -> Configure -> (Choose your soundcard) -> (Select Hardware Accleration).

I only get sound from 4.1 of my speakers though. The center channel is muted. Its the same in iTunes or WMP though too.

I just noticed the same thing happening in foobar. The center channel is muted.
I'll see if I can get winamp to work with all the speakers.

 

[Gurck]

Center channel (and really the rears) shouldn't work for music playback, that's as intended. The whole reason for the two (stereo) channels that almost all music formats use is for the soundstage.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: shilala
I can't get winamp to play back in 5.1 surround. I think I need some sort of plugin to make the adjustment? What the hackin do I have to do with it?

You need to set windows to play back in 5.1

Open the sound menu from the control panel and explore.

Already done.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Center channel (and really the rears) shouldn't work for music playback, that's as intended. The whole reason for the two (stereo) channels that almost all music formats use is for the soundstage.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Thanks Gurck.
Using winamp and the 5.1 sound plugin, I found that the left (front) and center channel functions were outputted to the left (front) speaker, although the output of the center is at about half the volume.
I thought that was strange, but there's no way to change it. I still have no output from my center speaker.
Everything is working fine for gaming and movies, so I'll assume I've done all I can do.
Thanks again for all the help!!!

 

[Gurck]

You sure you have the speakers plugged into the proper jacks? This is a bit embarassing, but it took me a few days to get it right when setting up my 7.1 system The manual said one thing, the software another, and neither matched the simpler and more apparent color coding hehe. Go Creative...

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Gurck
You sure you have the speakers plugged into the proper jacks? This is a bit embarassing, but it took me a few days to get it right when setting up my 7.1 system The manual said one thing, the software another, and neither matched the simpler and more apparent color coding hehe. Go Creative...

As a matter of fact, yes, I'm sure. None of the colors matched up, so I had to use the lierature from my motherboard and the literature from the speakers to cross reference the speakers. Took all day. When I got everything working on my desk, I marked all the wires and routed them according to their position. I have a utility that plays a static loop. It goes all around you fading from one speaker to another. It's very obvious when you have a speaker out of place.
5.1 works with movies and games. It also worked in WMP.
Now that I've learned all I've learned, I'm going to go back and install my Turtle Beach and make that work.

 

[shilala]

I managed to get all the speakers working...
Dropped in Turtle Beach Card, Enabled virtual 5.1 (it synthesizes the center channel) in the control panel.
In Foobar's DSP manager I only activated "Convert Stereo to 4 channels". Without it enabled my rear speakers drop out.
Taaaaa Dahhhh.
It sounds stellar.
Thanks again everyone. Fixing it was a snap after hearing all your input.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: shilala
Now I gotta get all my songs into the database in foobar. I can only get them in one at a time.
Can I index my library automatically with foobar?

Playlist -> Add Directory

BTW anyone with a high quality speaker/headphone setup and a good sound card should try the kernel streaming option, if you haven't already. Details are in this thread over at head-fi. The thread is on installing a specific sound card, the Chaintech AV710, so ignore the parts detailing driver configuration and pointing foobar to output to a specific card.

I tried the kernel streaming option you mentioned.
It's unfuckingbelievable. Sounds like I'm there. Just plain wow.
Thanks man. My ears have seen the second coming.