I second the 1700+; try to get a nice stepping used. My 1700+ is at 2.352 mhz and I'm a noob overclocker. And my 8rda+ is a rev 1.1, a3 northbridge and I can't reach 200 fsb. I love these chips; collected 2 more for my backup comps that I'll install over thanksgiving (with "new" 8rda+s)