Any vegans on ATOT?

Arkitech

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I know it's got to be at least a few of you out there. I'm gearing up today to try and do a week as a raw vegan. I've spent all week listening to lectures from different doctors speak about how effective a raw diet can be for improving health, losing weight, gaining energy, etc.

Initially I didn't think this was something I could manage. In the past I've gone more than a week without eating fruits or vegetables. But this past week I've eaten a ration of about 70/30 of fruits/vegetables to meat. In addition there are some really interesting recipes out there for raw vegan meals.

So for the vegans out there, I'm just curious what some of your favorite healthiest meals are.



Here are some interesting recipes I found just this morning


http://www.therawtarian.com/raw-alfredo-sauce-recipe

http://www.therawtarian.com/raw-vegan-chicken-salad-recipe
 
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Stop listening to hacks and eat a balanced diet/exersize before trying anything as drastic as this.
 

TwiceOver

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I just learned my 2 year old niece is a vegetarian. Don't know how the fuck that is possible, but I guess.

Read: My niece has whackadoo parents who are making her future decisions for her and basically making it impossible for her to ever eat meat in the future.
 

tynopik

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i'm on the tasty food diet

only eat food if it's tasty, not going to waste calories on bland, pointless food
 

Kaido

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I know it's got to be at least a few of you out there. I'm gearing up today to try and do a week as a raw vegan. I've spent all week listening to lectures from different doctors speak about how effective a raw diet can be for improving health, losing weight, gaining energy, etc.

I have done vegetarian, vegan, raw vegan, and fruitarian (not out of ethical reasons, solely for energy). Been on fruitarian a good month now, it's pretty awesome. It technically falls under the raw vegan category (fruitarian is typically a minimum of 75% fruit, plus some dark leafy greens, nuts, and seeds - and tomatoes, cucumbers, and bell peppers are all fruits). It's ridiculously easy to follow (all you need is a blender & a knife with a cutting board) & provides more energ than vegan does. Vegan can get really expensive & time-consuming for prepwork, plus you have to go shopping all the time if you want to do raw vegan.

Regarding energy, most Americans follow the SAD diet (Standard American Diet), which is why heart disease is the leading cause of death, plus obesity, diabetes, heart attacks, heart failure, etc. imo, food is the best medicine. Clean up your diet, feel better. That doesn't necessarily mean you need to go vegan; I've felt equally as good on a bodybuilding diet filled with meat & carbs. But there are also levels to feeling good: meat is good, veggie is better, fruit is best in my experience. Recovery times from working out on a fruit-based diet are incredible.

Anyway, if you want to want to get more into the veggie lifestyle, watch "Forks over Knives" (I think they have it on Netflix). It's a pretty compelling video for eating more plants. Their video is based off the China Study, which has a lot of data about how you get less cancer & stuff from eating vegetables over meat & dairy. However, there are plenty of arguments against that too, check out this blog post to start out with:

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/

I don't think there's so much "one perfect diet" out there, as much as "a perfect diet for what your goals are". You can get shredded on a fruit-based diet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TwXHsSE5Vg

But if you want to look like Ronnie Coleman, you'll need meat, milk, steroids, HGH, etc. Going to a non-standard diet can cut you off socially too - raw vegan isn't served at too many places, so you'll be stuck ordering a lame custom salad that isn't really going to fill you up. So ultimately, it depends on what your goals are. There are plenty of ways to get lots of energy without going on a vegan diet, although if you do vegan right (i.e. not living off tofu burgers & soy ice cream), then it does give you a huge boost of energy over a traditional American diet of fast food, takeout, TV dinners, and processed foods.
 

Kaido

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i'm on the tasty food diet

only eat food if it's tasty, not going to waste calories on bland, pointless food

FWIW, some of the best-tasting food I've ever had has been raw food. Incredible amount of flavor in some of the recipes.
 

Eug

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True pure vegan diets are potentially dangerous, especially if you are not EXTREMELY well-educated about them. The raw vegan diets including fruitarian diets are worse.

The most accurate and succinct post in this thread was the first one after the OP's:

Stop listening to hacks and eat a balanced diet/exersize before trying anything as drastic as this.
 

Kaido

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Initially I didn't think this was something I could manage. In the past I've gone more than a week without eating fruits or vegetables. But this past week I've eaten a ration of about 70/30 of fruits/vegetables to meat. In addition there are some really interesting recipes out there for raw vegan meals.

So for the vegans out there, I'm just curious what some of your favorite healthiest meals are.

Cashew cream is a great go-to recipe. It even works with well with just cashews & water. Most people throw in lemon & garlic like that recipe, or you can also use nutritional yeast (kind of like cheddar cheese powder) to make it taste more cheesy. That stuff is the bomb in chilis & as a homemade ice cream, as well as over veggie noodles. Definitely check out Inspiralized as well: (website + ebook)

http://www.inspiralized.com/

Basically, you can use a spiralizer to make noodles out of vegetables. Zucchini noodles are the bomb with cashew cream. The appliance is only like $35 on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Paderno-World-...dp/B0007Y9WHQ/

You can do spiralized onions for salads, curly fries, even apples for garnish, all kinds of stuff. Spaghetti squash is awesome to get into, if you haven't tried it before - just chop it in half & throw it into the oven for an hour, it magically falls apart into spaghetti noodles when you pull on it with a fork. If you have a food processor, you can make faux rice (fun alternative to regular rice) out of veggies too, including cauliflower rice, jicama rice, and butternut squash rice. Blenders make great protein smoothies. One of my favorite smoothies is a 3 frozen bananas, 1/4c carob (it's like fake chocolate that tastes gross in anything but smoothies), a squirt of honey (technically not vegan), a couple large spoonfuls of peanut butter, and enough water to blend it up - tastes like an awesome, thick chocolate milkshake haha. I have a great ice cream recipe if you want to try some homemade dairy-free stuff.

If you're specifically going raw vegan & want high energy, check out The Thrive Diet book by Brendan Brazier. I was heavy into that back in my cycling days. One of the best diet plans you can go on, imo. If you want to do raw but still eat some comfort food, you can use a dehydrator to make tasty snacks, which still technically falls under the "raw" category (not heated above a certain temperature). You can make homemade Twizzlers, or if you're not picky about being raw, you can do Baked Lays chips & fruit leathers.

The vegan world definitely gets wider if you allow cooked foods into your diet. These homefries are amazing with garlic salt & ketchup. I have a whole page of notes on making great-tasting stuff out of cauliflower. RideFree's bread machine bread recipe is a family favorite at my house. If you go a bit further & allow minor stuff like honey into your diet (which I guess is more vegetarian), here's an excellent chocolate chip cookie recipe and a peanut butter chocolate chip cookie recipe. I got into "healthier eating" due to food allergies, and it's actually opened up a whole wide world of better food for me. I am an omnivore by choice, but I do like a lot of veggie-based recipes simply because they taste really good & make me feel great.
 

Kaido

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True pure vegan diets are potentially dangerous, especially if you are not EXTREMELY well-educated about them. The raw vegan diets including fruitarian diets are worse.

Oh boy, I could argue all day about this one. First of all, the majority of my nerd friends live off cheetos & Mountain Dew, so anything with veggies is a huge step up for them :biggrin:

I do agree about educating yourself about dietary changes before jumping into them, however. Vegans get a bad rap because a lot of people you see are pretty dang skinny & unhealthy-looking because they're surviving off vegan junk food, not a healthy vegan diet. For example, large quantities of soy isn't good for your thyroid. However, some of the healthiest people I know are hardcore raw vegans - crazy amounts of energy, look great, look young, and feel good all the time. There are plenty of vegan bodybuilders, Ironman, fighters, etc. out there if anyone is looking for examples.

But yeah, as long as you're following the right guidelines, they can be great diets. I would say that the frutiarian diet is the best eating plan I have ever done in my life, but part of the rules for doing it in a healthy fashion includes eating a TON of calories, anywhere from 3,000 to 6,000 a day based on your activity levels. You'll feel like garbage if you're under-eating on the fruitarian diet because you're not getting the proper amount of food intake for the type of food you're consuming. Protein is a non-issue; you don't need 1g/lb like bro-science says. Same with the fruit-based diet; the WHO's studies show that you only need something like 2.5% of your calories from protein, whereas the most common fruitarian diet consists of 80-10-10 (80% carbs, 10% protein, 10% fats) and some people even do 955 (5% protein), which is still double the minimum needed to keep you alive.

But anyway, what's scarier is the sheeple approach we take regarding our food in America. Heart disease is the #1 killer in the U.S., something which is entirely reversible by diet. That means 1 out of 3 deaths can be prevented simply by changing what you put into your mouth. As that article says, "it is normal in our society to have atherosclerosis, and to die from cardiovascular disease". Better food is available & cooking information is freely available on the Internet, but ultimately it's a personal choice as to what path you follow. I'm a big fan of moderation, sort of like the 80/20 rule - eat well 80% of the time, have some fun 20% of the time. A double bacon cheeseburger every now & then isn't going to kill you, but I know a lot of guys who literally eat that every day for lunch, followed by a Big Gulp soda, fries, and a dessert. If you have the genetics to handle it, great, otherwise, there are steps you can take to eat healthier. So I'd say while veggie & fruit-based diets do have some risks, particularly if you don't do you research on what you actually need to survive & thrive on those diets, it seems riskier to continue on the standard American diet.
 

Kaido

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You might want to try out "Chickpea of the Sea" (similar to tuna salad, but with chickpeas), it's wicked good. Here's a couple recipes:

http://thesimpleveganista.blogspot.com/2012/09/chickpea-of-sea-salad-sandwich.html

http://www.thekitchn.com/vegetarian-lunch-chickpea-of-t-114022

There's also a garlic aioli sauce recipe here:

http://www.veggieful.com/2013/10/vegan-garlic-aioli-recipe.html

And there's another good cashew cream recipe here using roasted red peppers:

http://www.beardandbonnet.com/roasted-red-pepper-cashew-cream-gluten-free-vegan-crispy-quinoa-cakes/

A lot of this stuff is a million times tastier than the store-bought stuff since it's all fresh & homemade, plus you can tweak it to get the exact flavor you want by adding different levels of salts, spices, vinegars, oils, etc.
 

Kaido

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Stop listening to hacks and eat a balanced diet/exersize before trying anything as drastic as this.

While I am a big fan of incorporating more fruits & vegetables into your diet, I do think it's wise to take a step back to view the larger picture first. Most people in the U.S. follow the Western pattern diet, also called the Standard American Diet or SAD (which healthy people annoying like to poke you with, lol), which consists of a lot of meat & sugar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_pattern_diet

Going vegetarian/vegan/Paleo/whatever usually yields fantastic results because people make the move from eating a junk food diet to eating a much better diet by comparison. So making a major change like that almost always yields visible results. It's kind of like all of the exercise machines they sell on TV informercials - do they actually work? Yes, IF you use them! Haha. But they end up as coathangers for most people, so no work = no results. Back to food, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead" was a pretty good documentary:

http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/

However, I don't really agree with their approach where the trucker who converted to a healthier lifestyle dropped a lot of weight by juicing. Juicing is okay, but you're missing out on all of the fiber & other nutritional value from the fruits & veggies by only drinking the extracted liquid. I think you can eat a balanced diet of just fruits, or a balanced diet of just veggies, or a balanced omnivore diet that includes meats too. You can even live pretty healthy by eating fast food once in awhile, as long as it's not three meals a day (...unless you have super genetics & will live until you're 105 anyway, haha).

I got interested in this stuff due to food allergies, which pretty much cut me off from a standard diet anyway. It's doable, but you have to want to make the change, and making a change towards a healthier lifestyle doesn't necessarily mean you have to go raw vegan or anything. I've seen truckloads of people get enormously healthier by going Paleo, which is mostly just cutting out processed foods.

Really, it all boils down to goals. Most people don't have any specific health goals & just eat whatever they want. As a result, heart disease kills over half a million people every year. But the pleasure trap of "tastes good, available right now" in terms of fast food, take out, restaurant food, packaged food from the supermarket or convenience store, etc. is really hard to fight if you don't really care about eating healthier.
 
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I just learned my 2 year old niece is a vegetarian. Don't know how the fuck that is possible, but I guess.

Read: My niece has whackadoo parents who are making her future decisions for her and basically making it impossible for her to ever eat meat in the future.

What a shame. Unless they go balls to the wall crazy with supplements, that kid is not going to be in the greatest shape, mentally, in the teen years and beyond, if it's not evident earlier.

Good thing it's a niece, so the overload in phyto-estrogens won't cause significant problems. If it was a nephew, that kid would be ruined with feelings and breasts. :biggrin:

Not that it's not hard to get an overload in phyto-estrogens with a normal diet, but it's nearly impossible to avoid if you remotely try to follow the most healthy approaches to veganism. Such practices look at the overall macronutrient profiles of things like soy, which is wonderful and everywhere in the vegan diet (basically the best non-animal protein), but those dietary investigations for vegans never look at the side effects of excess phyto-estrogen consumption.

Basically, if you're a female, you can sort of get away with it, but I wouldn't recommend it.
If you are a male, I'd say run away, RUN, in the opposite direction of such a diet. It won't do you any good.

Find your moral high horse elsewhere, if you care at all about your body and health. The hacks don't give you the entire story, and I'm not sure if it's out of incompetence or malice.
 

Kaido

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What a shame. Unless they go balls to the wall crazy with supplements, that kid is not going to be in the greatest shape, mentally, in the teen years and beyond, if it's not evident earlier.

Good thing it's a niece, so the overload in phyto-estrogens won't cause significant problems. If it was a nephew, that kid would be ruined with feelings and breasts. :biggrin:

Not that it's not hard to get an overload in phyto-estrogens with a normal diet, but it's nearly impossible to avoid if you remotely try to follow the most healthy approaches to veganism. Such practices look at the overall macronutrient profiles of things like soy, which is wonderful and everywhere in the vegan diet (basically the best non-animal protein), but those dietary investigations for vegans never look at the side effects of excess phyto-estrogen consumption.

Basically, if you're a female, you can sort of get away with it, but I wouldn't recommend it.
If you are a male, I'd say run away, RUN, in the opposite direction of such a diet. It won't do you any good.

Find your moral high horse elsewhere, if you care at all about your body and health. The hacks don't give you the entire story, and I'm not sure if it's out of incompetence or malice.

There's so much conflicting information about soy out there. Personally I think it's fine in moderation (soy sauce or tempeh on a sandwich, for example), but I have a buddy who screwed up his thyroid by going bonkers with soy for a few years. My pediatrician also wouldn't let my toddler (dairy allergy like me) go on soy formula because by the time the kids hit 3 or 4 years old, they have totally messed up thyroids, so they prefer to keep them on specialized formulas that still contain milk, but it's just broken down more (still makes them sick from the allergic reaction, just not as much - and no soy side-effects down the road). However, on the flip side, this is an excellent read on myth-busting soy:

http://zenhabits.net/soy/

He links to some peer-reviewed studies:

One of the most-repeated of WAPF’s myths about soy is that it contains dangerous estrogens that will cause cancer, man boobs, and a host of other health problems. So I thought it would be good to clear this up.

There is no evidence that eating soy causes any of the problems caused by raised levels of estrogen (a hormone that’s already naturally in our bodies).

As to whether or not you should put little kids on a veggie-only diet, I dunno. I've seen too many negative consequences of doing it to recommend it myself. As an adult, you can make sure you're getting the variety & calories that you need through responsible decision-making. Kids are more picky about what they eat (= limited diet to begin with, based on what they actually end up consuming) & are also growing a ton and need a lot of different stuff to thrive. I have seen good results on a fruitarian diet, like this one:

http://www.fruitgod.com/raisingachildon.html

But there are a lot of fruitarians who knock not only cooked vegetable dishes, but any vegetables at all. So who knows, whatever works for you I guess. Every situation is different. There are people who have been anorexic or bulimic for years & years, so I don't think eating too many vegetables or too many fruits would necessarily be a bad thing.
 

Eug

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Oh boy, I could argue all day about this one. First of all, the majority of my nerd friends live off cheetos & Mountain Dew, so anything with veggies is a huge step up for them :biggrin:
I could easily show a bazillion people with horrible vegan diets too. In fact, I'd hazard to guess the number 1 vegan meal in university coeds is french fries and a diet coke.

For example, large quantities of soy isn't good for your thyroid.
I don't know what you mean by large quantities, but usually that's not true at all. However, it's a popular myth amongst vegans for some strange reason, perhaps because soy protein in the diet can restrict absorption of certain pills, including thyroid medication.

However, some of the healthiest people I know are hardcore raw vegans - crazy amounts of energy, look great, look young, and feel good all the time. There are plenty of vegan bodybuilders, Ironman, fighters, etc. out there if anyone is looking for examples.
It should be noted a lot vegan bodybuilders actually cheat on their diet. Furthermore, it should be noted that high carb diets do indeed provide tons of energy. The problems come years down the road on pure vegan diets, due to nutritional deficiencies, unless you supplement.

But anyway, what's scarier is the sheeple approach we take regarding our food in America. Heart disease is the #1 killer in the U.S., something which is entirely reversible by diet. That means 1 out of 3 deaths can be prevented simply by changing what you put into your mouth. As that article says, "it is normal in our society to have atherosclerosis, and to die from cardiovascular disease". Better food is available & cooking information is freely available on the Internet, but ultimately it's a personal choice as to what path you follow. I'm a big fan of moderation, sort of like the 80/20 rule - eat well 80% of the time, have some fun 20% of the time. A double bacon cheeseburger every now & then isn't going to kill you, but I know a lot of guys who literally eat that every day for lunch, followed by a Big Gulp soda, fries, and a dessert. If you have the genetics to handle it, great, otherwise, there are steps you can take to eat healthier. So I'd say while veggie & fruit-based diets do have some risks, particularly if you don't do you research on what you actually need to survive & thrive on those diets, it seems riskier to continue on the standard American diet.
I guess my main problem with this argument is that you're saying that your researched and educated diet is better than a bad diet. Well, no surprise there. Of course an extremely well-managed diet by an educated person is going to make you feel healthy, as opposed to a poor diet from a person who doesn't care.

However, it's actually probably safer to be a non-caring individual on an omnivorous diet (within reason) than a non-caring individual on a vegan diet. See fries and diet coke comment above.

P.S. I agree with the other poster that putting a toddler on a pure vegan diet is generally evidence the parents are whacked.
 
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