Any word on the mid range of the R600

[Pugnate]

We've heard plenty on the 2900XT and the 2900XTX but what about ATi's mid range? I am looking to buy my sister a 8600GTS but am holding on to see what the competition offers. If I had some indication on performance I'd just buy the 8600, but there seems to be nothing.

 

[Kromis]

Nothing so far...:|

 

[swtethan]

lol "uh yeah we are delaying cause.... we wanna launch everything at once...

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Pugnate
We've heard plenty on the 2900XT and the 2900XTX but what about ATi's mid range? I am looking to buy my sister a 8600GTS but am holding on to see what the competition offers. If I had some indication on performance I'd just buy the 8600, but there seems to be nothing.

Those mid range parts are looking at a later date than the R600 launch which is next week.

And it does look like the RV630XT is pretty crippled/handicapped by the current rumours.

 

[tuteja1986]

HD 2400 and HD 2600 comes out in 13 days.

 

[Pugnate]

Yea I heard they come out in a week or so, but no one seems to have any idea how they will perform. I feel like I am wasting time here heh. But the fact that there haven't been any leaks may be a bad sign.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Pugnate
Yea I heard they come out in a week or so, but no one seems to have any idea how they will perform. I feel like I am wasting time here heh. But the fact that there haven't been any leaks may be a bad sign.

There has been leaks. Leaks of its architectural layout, specs and even benchmarks. Performs along the lines of a 8600GTS, but from some of the slides and specs, it points to the R630 and the rest of the mid/low lineup severaly crippled. We are talking about 8 TMUs for RV630 and 4 TMUs for the low end RV610.

I dont think theyre launching with the R600. ITS NOT A FAMILY LAUNCH! i dont know but i guess AMD did some good job on confusing people.

RV630/610 isnt ready til june or july. Same goes to the XTX version, unless that model doesnt actually exist.

This is all based on current rumours, leaks and people with the actual cards.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: Pugnate
We've heard plenty on the 2900XT and the 2900XTX but what about ATi's mid range? I am looking to buy my sister a 8600GTS but am holding on to see what the competition offers. If I had some indication on performance I'd just buy the 8600, but there seems to be nothing.

Those mid range parts are looking at a later date than the R600 launch which is next week.

And it does look like the RV630XT is pretty crippled/handicapped by the current rumours.

The RV630XT is still a better/faster video card with more features than the Geforce 8600 GTS which will be proved shortly in any none biased reviews!

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: Pugnate
We've heard plenty on the 2900XT and the 2900XTX but what about ATi's mid range? I am looking to buy my sister a 8600GTS but am holding on to see what the competition offers. If I had some indication on performance I'd just buy the 8600, but there seems to be nothing.

Those mid range parts are looking at a later date than the R600 launch which is next week.

And it does look like the RV630XT is pretty crippled/handicapped by the current rumours.

The RV630XT is still a better/faster video card with more features than the Geforce 8600 GTS which will be proved shortly in any none biased reviews!

Well that might be the case, but it has to be proven before you can say it is better/faster blah, blah, blah.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: Pugnate
We've heard plenty on the 2900XT and the 2900XTX but what about ATi's mid range? I am looking to buy my sister a 8600GTS but am holding on to see what the competition offers. If I had some indication on performance I'd just buy the 8600, but there seems to be nothing.

Those mid range parts are looking at a later date than the R600 launch which is next week.

And it does look like the RV630XT is pretty crippled/handicapped by the current rumours.

The RV630XT is still a better/faster video card with more features than the Geforce 8600 GTS which will be proved shortly in any none biased reviews!

i dont know about that, i suspect its going to be more of the same crippled midrange dross.

the 8600's video processor does look especially handy though if thats your bag, check it out on the front page. does ATi have something similar?

 

[nemesismk2]

I do know one thing though, the RV630XT reviews are going to show very different results for the RV630XT depending on which Geforce 8600 GTS they are comparing it to. There is such a crazy amount of different clock/memory speeds for the Geforce 8600 GTS and no reference version. Hopefully the review sites use a Geforce 8600 GTS which has the same price as the RV630XT for a fair comparison!

 

[Zenoth]

There will be a HD 2900XL.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=722&Itemid=1

 

[Stoneburner]

I wish nvidia would release a midrange card or a lower high range card that was just clocked lower instead of being actually crippled. That's the great thing about ati's XL lines, they typically can be overclocked and perform en par with stock clocked XT's.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
HD 2400 and HD 2600 comes out in 13 days.

yeah, because this time we know for sure they won't be delayed again. gimme a break.

 

[coolpurplefan]

What do you mean crippled? Could that mean you could hack the card and have a 2900 card?

Wasn't there a card like that in the past where you could just flash the BIOS or something and have a faster card?

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan
What do you mean crippled? Could that mean you could hack the card and have a 2900 card?

Wasn't there a card like that in the past where you could just flash the BIOS or something and have a faster card?

Those days are over. The last cards that I know of that could be flashed or have pipelines unlocked were the 6800GS cards or the X800GTO^2. Certain video cards are just cut down versions of higher-end cards... the 8800GTS has all 128 shaders, they are just disabled. Likely some of the 8800GTS cards have 128 working shaders but they cannot be re-enabled AFAIK.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
There will be a HD 2900XL.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=722&Itemid=1

to compete with WHAT?


2900xt competes with the 8800gts

8800gts 320 is alone @ $300 (same card just less memory)

I guess 2900XL would be vs 8800GT?

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: Zenoth
There will be a HD 2900XL.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=722&Itemid=1

to compete with WHAT?


2900xt competes with the 8800gts

8800gts 320 is alone @ $300 (same card just less memory)

I guess 2900XL would be vs 8800GT?

It doesn't have to compete with something, that's the XT's and XTX's job primarily. If the XL can compete, that's an extra, and a plus indeed, but it doesn't have to. What makes the XL lines from the ATi's X, X1K and X2K series worth it is its price and perhaps, to a lower extent, its maximum (or minimum) power consumption for energy/money-saving purposes in the long term.

At best (or worst, depending on how you see it), the 2900 XL might compete with the 8800GTS 320MB version. But other than that the XL's goal isn't to compete directly and obviously against any of the G80 products, but to make the mid-range market affordable and guarantee AMD better sales on that front.

Well that's how I see it anyway.

 

[Sureshot324]

I hope for AMD's sake that the R600 midrange will be able to beat an 8600. It already looks like they won't be competive on the high end, so if they can't at least get the midrange then they are in serious trouble.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
I hope for AMD's sake that the R600 midrange will be able to beat an 8600. It already looks like they won't be competive on the high end, so if they can't at least get the midrange then they are in serious trouble.

Well, the X1800XL, ATi's X1K mid-range, was and still is able to outperform the equivalent GeForce 7800GT in many occasions: -Example- http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/sapphire_radeonx1800xl/index.shtml

Not to mention that the XL is potentially a great over-clocker, often reaching the exact same speeds of the XT variant at stock frequencies.

I see no reasons why AMD/ATi would have suddenly decided to cripple the XL line to guarantee lesser performance than its nearest "competitor" product.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
I hope for AMD's sake that the R600 midrange will be able to beat an 8600. It already looks like they won't be competive on the high end, so if they can't at least get the midrange then they are in serious trouble.

Well, the X1800XL, ATi's X1K mid-range, was and still is able to outperform the equivalent GeForce 7800GT in many occasions: -Example- http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/sapphire_radeonx1800xl/index.shtml

Not to mention that the XL is potentially a great over-clocker, often reaching the exact same speeds of the XT variant at stock frequencies.

I see no reasons why AMD/ATi would have suddenly decided to cripple the XL line to guarantee lesser performance than its nearest "competitor" product.

Maybe so people like you will spend more money and buy the high end product.

They'd cripple the XL variant for the same reasons ATI and Nvidia started laser cutting pipes, so people wont spend less money and almost get high end performance.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
I hope for AMD's sake that the R600 midrange will be able to beat an 8600. It already looks like they won't be competive on the high end, so if they can't at least get the midrange then they are in serious trouble.

Well, the X1800XL, ATi's X1K mid-range, was and still is able to outperform the equivalent GeForce 7800GT in many occasions: -Example- http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/sapphire_radeonx1800xl/index.shtml

Not to mention that the XL is potentially a great over-clocker, often reaching the exact same speeds of the XT variant at stock frequencies.

I see no reasons why AMD/ATi would have suddenly decided to cripple the XL line to guarantee lesser performance than its nearest "competitor" product.

Maybe so people like you will spend more money and buy the high end product.

They'd cripple the XL variant for the same reasons ATI and Nvidia started laser cutting pipes, so people wont spend less money and almost get high end performance.

I won't lie, and will say that I would spend more money on PC hardware if I had it, but it sadly isn't growing on trees.

I have limited budgets, and the XL line has served me well since I know about and use it (I've owned the X800XL before my X1800XL, and I am planning to go for the HD 2900XL it if ever does see the light of the day as AMD pretends it will but only at a "later date"). Even if they cripple the XL line, it won't suddenly make me spend money on the high-end parts, because as I said, I don't have such money, I mean among other reasons it was primarily a $45 difference in price that made me go with my X1K XL over a GF 7800GT in the first place (it wasn't the only reason, but it was the most important one).

I am "doomed" to stay in the mid-range GPU (and CPU as well) market until my financial situation gets better, which might not happen until a couple of years, but I don't think that AMD/ATi actually cares, because if they would then they wouldn't take the time and efforts to create a "competitive mid-range product" for their "less fortunate consumers". I believe that if they make GPU lines like the XL since the past generation up to today then it's because they want to keep people like me with them, they don't necessarily want me to get a better salary tomorrow.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
I hope for AMD's sake that the R600 midrange will be able to beat an 8600. It already looks like they won't be competive on the high end, so if they can't at least get the midrange then they are in serious trouble.

Well, the X1800XL, ATi's X1K mid-range, was and still is able to outperform the equivalent GeForce 7800GT in many occasions: -Example- http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/sapphire_radeonx1800xl/index.shtml

Not to mention that the XL is potentially a great over-clocker, often reaching the exact same speeds of the XT variant at stock frequencies.

I see no reasons why AMD/ATi would have suddenly decided to cripple the XL line to guarantee lesser performance than its nearest "competitor" product.

Maybe so people like you will spend more money and buy the high end product.

They'd cripple the XL variant for the same reasons ATI and Nvidia started laser cutting pipes, so people wont spend less money and almost get high end performance.

I won't lie, and will say that I would spend more money on PC hardware if I had it, but it sadly isn't growing on trees.

I have limited budgets, and the XL line has served me well since I know about and use it (I've owned the X800XL before my X1800XL, and I am planning to go for the HD 2900XL it if ever does see the light of the day as AMD pretends it will but only at a "later date"). Even if they cripple the XL line, it won't suddenly make me spend money on the high-end parts, because as I said, I don't have such money, I mean among other reasons it was primarily a $45 difference in price that made me go with my X1K XL over a GF 7800GT in the first place (it wasn't the only reason, but it was the most important one).

I am "doomed" to stay in the mid-range GPU (and CPU as well) market until my financial situation gets better, which might not happen until a couple of years, but I don't think that AMD/ATi actually cares, because if they would then they wouldn't take the time and efforts to create a "competitive mid-range product" for their "less fortunate consumers". I believe that if they make GPU lines like the XL since the past generation up to today then it's because they want to keep people like me with them, they don't necessarily want me to get a better salary tomorrow.

There's nothing wrong with being "doomed" to stay in the mid range. It's just that as companies widen the gap between midrange and high end, more people would be willing to spend the extra money to get the extra performance. Mid range owners will still buy mid range products, but those who were on the bubble because of price/performance would be more inclined to go up rather than down.

 

[SickBeast]

It's gonna have a 128-bit memory controller and therefore will suck, just like the 8600 cards.

 

[PING]

There's nothing wrong at mid-range. High-end graphic card only account for 2% of the total video card sales.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20070413235044.html