Anybody else unimpressed with new midrange Nvidia GPUs, and much higher MSRP?

[EliteRetard]

980 / 970 reference cards launched at $549 / $329
1080 / 1070 reference cards at $699 / $449

Even the stripped down models are $50 higher at $599 and $379.

I watched everybody at the event hollering in excitement, am I the only one who groaned in disappointment?

 

[funks]

If the single pass multi-viewport thing actually gets used in VR (not sure if that requires Nvidia VR Works) then it's a big win for the price.

I actually paid for a Radeon Nano at 500$ for VR. The 1070 looks like it might be a better deal, use the same amount of power, and will be faster too.

 

[happy medium]

1080/1070 reference cards were 599/379.

The more expensive models are most likely water cooled models.

At least 25% faster than a 650$ gtx980ti for 50$ less and way more features.
Its well worth it.

 

[EliteRetard]

Don't forget, this generations high end card, the GTX 980 Ti launched at $649.
We already know about the pascal high end card, the P100. It's that card that should be launching at $699 not the midrange parts.

 

[Det0x]

Anybody else unimpressed with new midrange Nvidia GPUs, and much higher MSRP?

Yepp.. But this was just as predicted: +25% vs stock 980ti, +5% vs aftermarket 980ti

This is what i wrote a few days back @ http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=38205662&highlight=#post38205662

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Those 1080 scores seem low to me.

According to kitguru they get a 19859 on 3dmark11 with their "ASUS STRIX Gaming GTX 980 Ti DirectCU 3" (unless I'm missing something?) vs ~19005 of the 1080.

The zotac 980ti from guru3d gets 8891 on firestrike extreme 1.1 vs 8959 of the 1080.

So basically almost equivalent (at stock at least) to some after-market 980tis.

Yes i full heartedly agree with you.. but earlier leaks have shown the very same low performance delta between 1080 and aftermarket 980ti. (like pretty much all sold 980ti are)

Its just that some people are so blinded by their own bias that they refuse to believe anything to the contrary.

So it seems that this unknown card is ~4% faster then the fastest aftermarked 980 TI.

Unknown card:
Graphics score: 27271
GT1: 127.63 FPS
GT2: 132.23 FPS
GT3: 170.97 FPS
GT4: 80.08 FPS

GTX 980 Ti Waterforce:
Graphics score: 26112
GT1: 121.41 FPS
GT2: 126.93 FPS
GT3: 166.33 FPS
GT4: 76.31 FPS

www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11162175

Score: P20625
Graphics Score: 27271

www.chiphell.com/thread-1565171-1-1.html

For reference:

*Probably different CPUs, the Physics Score suggests a slower chip than the Core i7-5960X @ 4.4GHz used by Guru3D.

If the rumored price of 649+$ is true, i would deem the whole geforce pascal to be a utter failure, possible even GP100 too. :'( Remember we haven't seen any working silicon yet and a recent article on SA could point to why. ()

 

[jpiniero]

It's better than I expected. Although I don't see why it's 330 mm2 or so when Polaris 10 is supposed to be 232 mm2 and similar core count.

 

[EliteRetard]

1080/1070 reference cards were 599/379.

The more expensive models are most likely water cooled models.

At least 25% faster than a 650$ gtx980ti for 50$ less and way more features.
Its well worth it.

You didn't watch the event then, the reference air cooled card he held up during the show is the one launching at $699.

 

[Det0x]

1080/1070 reference cards were 599/379.

The more expensive models are most likely water cooled models.

At least 25% faster than a 650$ gtx980ti for 50$ less and way more features.
Its well worth it.

You wont be able to buy anything other then the "founder edition" cards for a long time.. (stock cards made by nvidia themselves)

 

[EliteRetard]

And I love how people justify comparing a new midrange product to the old high end product price. You are supposed to get more performance in the same category, a new midrange card is supposed to be faster than the old midrange card...for the same price.

So what if the new midrange card can compete with the old high end...that's what it's supposed to do. The doesn't justify raising the midrange price bracket into the old high end price bracket (and in this case even beyond that).

 

[JDG1980]

It's better than I expected. Although I don't see why it's 330 mm2 or so when Polaris 10 is supposed to be 232 mm2 and similar core count.

Samsung 14LPP is said to have slightly better density than TSMC 16FF+, so that could be a part of the answer. Even so, it doesn't come close to spanning the entirety of the difference. One possibility is that Polaris 10 is actually a larger chip on par with GP104, and that 232mm^2 figure from LinkedIn was either for a future SKU or an experimental product that never made it out of the lab. Another possibility is that Nvidia had to lower shader density on Pascal so they could optimize for higher clock speeds. A straight die-shrink of GM200 (3072 shaders) should have come in at about 300mm^2, slightly smaller than GP104.

 

[happy medium]

You wont be able to buy anything other then the "founder edition" cards for a long time.. (stock cards made by nvidia themselves)

WHat is a founders edition card?

Explain to me in detail please.

 

[EliteRetard]

WHat is a founders edition card?

Explain to me in detail please.

This is the founders card:

 

[Det0x]

WHat is a founders edition card?

Explain to me in detail please.

Didnt you watch the event ?

You can get a recap here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10305/the-nvidia-geforce-2016-liveblog

10:20PM EDT - Looks like reference cards are the founder cards? -> $699 founder's edition (by Ryan Smith)

 

[happy medium]

This is the founders card:

Looks like a reference card to me.


SO explain to me in detail what a founders card is.

Yes I watched it.

What is the difference between a reference card and a founders card. In detail please.

 

[RaulF]

This is the founders card:

How so?

 

[EliteRetard]

Looks like a reference card to me.


SO explain to me in detail what a founders card is.

The reference card is the founders card, it's new Nvidia jargon to justify a much higher MSRP for reference cards. If you watched the event you would have heard Jen-Hsun say this.

 

[happy medium]

The reference card is the founders card, it's new Nvidia jargon to justify a much higher MSRP for reference cards. If you watched the event you would have heard Jen-Hsun say this.

I did watch the event.

ARe you going to answer my questions?


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[Despoiler]

WHat is a founders edition card?

Explain to me in detail please.

No one knows, but typically a founders edition is a pre-release product that you buy to fund the development of something else. Usually they are limited quantity, but have perks or add-ons you won't find in the general release product.

 

[RaulF]

The reference card is the founders card, it's new Nvidia jargon to justify a much higher MSRP for reference cards. If you watched the event you would have heard Jen-Hsun say this.

I dont even know why i bother.

Good night.

 

[happy medium]

What is the difference between a reference card and a founders card. In detail please

Waiting?

 

[happy medium]

I dont even know why i bother.

Good night.

I hear ya, I'm with you.:\

 

[antihelten]

Waiting?

In detail:

The difference is non-existent, based upon the info we have available right now.

 

[sontin]

The founders card is a custom made design by nVidia to archive "unbelievable overclocking".

It is not the reference design which will be avaiable at 27th may gloabally.

 

[Head1985]

980 / 970 reference cards launched at $549 / $329
1080 / 1070 reference cards at $699 / $449

Even the stripped down models are $50 higher at $599 and $379.

I watched everybody at the event hollering in excitement, am I the only one who groaned in disappointment?

Yeah its pretty bad paying 599USD for GTX560TI-GTX680 like card.
1070 on other hand looks Ok priced, but it will be slow vs GTX1080.Nv will force people to buy overpriced GTX1080.
From this it looks like GTX1080 is 40-50% faster than TITANX, but 1070 will be i think only on par with TITANX-There will be 40% gap between 1070 and 1080.

 

[Det0x]

Waiting?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38209639&postcount=13