Anybody else unimpressed with new midrange Nvidia GPUs, and much higher MSRP?

[sontin]

Sure, thats the reason why nVidia announced the GTX1070, too. Makes sense to kill >$300 products without having enough supply...

There is enough volume for 16nmFF and GDDR5X. I dont really understand why you sound so bitter.

 

[amenx]

Its crazy..Reference 1080 for 700USD(founder edition)...

You make it sound as if thats their main card. It isnt, the $599 1080 is the one.

 

[Qwertilot]

I guess there were a few insanely pricey 980's before the 980ti's came out and there are some very impatient people out there

It is a bit unfair to be too annoyed - these cards are faster than anything currently extant and there is precisely no evidence that it possible to economically produce anything much bigger than this just now.

In fact, both the big drop to the 1070 and AMD not even going as big as these cards to start with seem to indicate that even these cards are pushing what is sensibly possible at the moment.

In say 12 months time they'll be bigger things with HBM2 and the prices might well drop a chunk. (although the 980ti didn't dent 97/80 pricing at all!).

 

[Head1985]

You make it sound as if thats their main card. It isnt, the $599 1080 is the one.

Reference 1080 is the founder edition and it wil cost 700USD.

 

[AtenRa]

I have a feeling we are going to see another HD4870 vs GTX280 this summer.

If Polaris 10 is 232mm2 and GXT 1080 only ~50% faster than GTX980 in DX-12 games.

I can see Polaris 10 give 90% the performance of GTX 1080 at almost half the price and lower power in DX-12 games.

 

[Silverforce11]

Sure, thats the reason why nVidia announced the GTX1070, too. Makes sense to kill >$300 products without having enough supply...

There is enough volume for 16nmFF and GDDR5X. I dont really understand why you sound so bitter.

1070 has GDDR5X? Are you insane? JHH just stood there in front of the world and said it has GDDR5 only.

Btw, they also jacked up the early access edition for the 1070, $449 was it?

 

[CakeMonster]

They've had it for while now...

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/adaptive-vsync

That's not Freesync, its an age old feature that turns vsynch off when frame rate dips below refresh rate.

 

[sontin]

1070 has GDDR5X? Are you insane? JHH just stood there in front of the world and said it has GDDR5 only.

The 1080 killed everything above >$400. It would be insane to announce it 3 weeks in advance when you cant ship enough volume.
The 1070 will come out two weeks later. The volume must be insane to announce such a card 30secs later...

 

[Grooveriding]

The founders is their parity to what the Titan X was. Sort of an early access pass with a premium to a desired new piece of tech. They dropped a 980ti just a couple months after the TX, performance difference of 5%.

Supply on 1080 sounds like it will be really short at first. So they are probably launching limited stock purchased direct from them on the 27th and then you wait for wide availability. I'm not bothering with this founders nonsense, the improvement on these cards over 980ti is small enough that there is no rush. Maxwell won't get nerfed into oblivion until big new games come out and it suffers driver neglect. Waiting another month is no big deal.

 

[dark zero]

So wait. The Founder's edition is paying a premium for early access of NV's reference card right?

Their blog suggests the normal variety or AIB cards will come later.

NV's cooler is quite good up to 225W, it should be great for the 1070 and 1080.

On the blog that's the wording and my interpretation. Pay $699 for early access of 1080, or later $599 for custom models. Would you pay more for reference models though vs something like an MSI or EVGA SC?

Seems that founders are the OCed cards, special OCed cards and comes as a Limited edition. We don't know how much regular cards can OC.

 

[guskline]

Time to overclock my GTX 980 TI

 

[amenx]

Reference 1080 is the founder edition and it wil cost 700USD.

The "reference" 1080 also applies to the $599 one. :whiste: The 'founder edition' is more a 'limited edition' model that may not be widely available. If you prefer to focus more on that as the more relevant re pricing standards, its up to you.

 

[Silverforce11]

The founders is their parity to what the Titan X was. Sort of an early access pass with a premium to a desired new piece of tech. They dropped a 980ti just a couple months after the TX, performance difference of 5%.

Supply on 1080 sounds like it will be really short at first. So they are probably launching limited stock purchased direct from them on the 27th and then you wait for wide availability. I'm not bothering with this founders nonsense, the improvement on these cards over 980ti is small enough that there is no rush. Maxwell won't get nerfed into oblivion until big new games come out and it suffers driver neglect. Waiting another month is no big deal.

It's a smart idea anyway. Charge early adopters with a tax since they are happy to pay for "first!" heh.

If they can make more profit, why the heck not? Brilliant tactic.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

It's a smart idea anyway. Charge early adopters with a tax since they are happy to pay for "first!" heh.

If they can make more profit, why the heck not? Brilliant tactic.

it works for ferrari and rightfully so
but giving for 700 a card that most surely in some months will have a ti variation is just hmm...

 

[Raising]

Starting to get real cheap go get a fast new pc these days.. titan x level performance with a skylake for less than $1000

 

[imaheadcase]

I am disappointing in the memory, i suspect its just to expensive to put 16 gigs on a card. Not a huge deal, but seems like it would help with certain applications.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

This whole launch screams to me that they know exactly how Polaris performs and they are trying their hardest to move some new cards at these prices before amd drops a bomb on the market.

Everyone claiming p10 will only perform like a 390x are not thinking logically about the matter.

290/390x see almost zero improvement from memory overclock. The p10 has faster gddr5 and greatly improved memory compression/handling. It has improved gcn cores and will be able to clock far higher that Hawaii. Why would it only perform like a 390x based on that information alone?

I have a feeling the rumored clock speeds in the core for Polaris are only mobile parts being seen so far.

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[imaheadcase]

This whole launch screams to me that they know exactly how Polaris performs and they are trying their hardest to move some new cards at these prices before amd drops a bomb on the market.

Everyone claiming p10 will only perform like a 390x are not thinking logically about the matter.

290/390x see almost zero improvement from memory overclock. The p10 has faster gddr5 and greatly improved memory compression/handling. It has improved gcn cores and will be able to clock far higher that Hawaii. Why would it only perform like a 390x based on that information alone?

I have a feeling the rumored clock speeds in the core for Polaris are only mobile parts being seen so far.

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You talk about logic, but speak of rumor.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

You talk about logic, but speak of rumor.

That's all anyone has to go on. Why would the 1070 be $379 if they weren't worried about how Polaris performs at lower prices. It tells me they want as many people as possible to bite on that price quickly before AMD drops anything.

If AMD marketing had any brain at all they would release information about their cards immediately. If they don't do that then I expect p10 actually does perform like a 390x and they have no answer at all and will lose more market share.

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[PhonakV30]

hmm one question : Is Micron ready for Mass Production of GDDR5X ?

 

[Head1985]

1070 is 379USD because it will be slow compared to 1080 the gap will be 30-40%.
Question is why NV cut 1070 so much that 1070 will perform like 1060 or 1060TI from past?

i hope we will see less cut SKU 1070TI? and with GDDR5x and 10-15% slower than 1080.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

IMO, another lackluster presentation by nVIDIA with extremely vague announcements and worse, no examples of performance with and without asynchronous compute, which probably means that nVIDIA indeed does not have a proper implementation of it. Performance numbers were thrown around in a very random fashion and most details about the chips were not presented at all. Then, the "Founders Edition" novelty silliness sounds like a PR way of hiding what may be low yields. It all just seemed sad and artificial, like something is seriously wrong and they know its a matter of time till it is discovered. At least this is my impression of it (and GP100 launch).

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/nvidia-pascal-announcement.57763/page-29

 

[Daemyion]

That's not Freesync, its an age old feature that turns vsynch off when frame rate dips below refresh rate.

Actually that is "Freesync". AMD submitted Freesync to VESA for standardization. As part of the DisplayPort 1.2a standard it's called Adaptive Sync:

http://www.vesa.org/news/vesa-adds-adaptive-sync-to-popular-displayport-video-standard/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...-gets-added-to-displayport-spec/#ad94ac58a6b2

Also because it's an open standard Intel is expected to join the party with its next-gen iGPUs.

So everyone should have Freesync soon.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

Actually that is "Freesync". AMD submitted Freesync to VESA for standardization. As part of the DisplayPort 1.2a standard it's called Adaptive Sync:

http://www.vesa.org/news/vesa-adds-adaptive-sync-to-popular-displayport-video-standard/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...-gets-added-to-displayport-spec/#ad94ac58a6b2

Also because it's an open standard Intel is expected to join the party with its next-gen iGPUs.

So everyone should have Freesync soon.

adaptive Vsync is different from adaptive sync

 

[CakeMonster]

But its NOT the thing you linked to. "Adaptive Vsynch has nothing to do with the Freesync/Adaptive sync standards.