Polaris will be published at the Computex - three weeks after nVidia's event. nVidia had no reason to announce their new cards if they would fear AMD.
Why would AMD be able to supply the market with Polaris at $300 but nVidia wouldnt?
nVidia could have launched after AMD with better products. nVidia is not in a hurry to replace Maxwell.
I'm not saying don't buy Nvidia. Go ahead and get it but know what you're getting. The best position to be in for those who want Nvidia products but don't want to spend a ton of cash is to buy and sell every year. It only comes out to at worst 150 a year at best 50 a year or free. Not a bad deal.The purchase of my 780 was literally the only computer related purchase I've regretted and I build a new machine every 2-3 years. I've learned my lesson when it comes to NVIDIA. Unless AMD completely fails this go around I'll buy a polaris 10 GPU and hang onto it for a year until AMD's big chips are released.
Yeah, no kidding. I don't think Groove has owned AMD on his primary rig since I started posting here.
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This thread is running out of gasoline. It's pretty simple why NV is doing it. And they'll meet huge success with it (shoot I swung the Gaf and already know it's a success.)
AMD's turn to milk it's audience. They can use the money, seriously.
I'm not saying don't buy Nvidia. Go ahead and get it but know what you're getting. The best position to be in for those who want Nvidia products but don't want to spend a ton of cash is to buy and sell every year. It only comes out to at worst 150 a year at best 50 a year or free. Not a bad deal.
But buying Nvidia to hold on to makes zero sense. I mean no joke, we are seeing the 390x get close to the 980ti at times in dx12 games. That's unacceptable if you're a long time holder of Nvidia cards, but just fine if you plan on ditching the 980ti for pascal ASAP.
Pretty much. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but the new information is digested, and the sides have now returned to their standard biases. Either it's a brilliant move by nVidia and good on them, or it's blatant exploitation. Either it shows that nVidia has nothing to fear from AMD, or that they're desperately trying to cash in before AMD upsets their whole pricing structure.
For some of us, this really isn't coming as much of a surprise. I really wasn't expecting $700 launch 1080s, but $650 seemed probable. You can buy a 980Ti today for under $550 shipped without an MIR, so $650 would have been a very slight uplift in perf/$ vs the outgoing generation. At $700, perf/$ is likely going to be flat. It's a repeat of what happened with the 680 vs the 580 and with the 480 vs 285.
I have a feeling there's still a lot of hope here that P10 will offer much higher perf/$ than AMD's outgoing flagship, which might happen given the issues Fiji sometimes has, but vs the 390X I think there will be disappointment coming at the end of May. You can pick up a 390X for $340AR from Newegg today. It's possible that we might see P10 XT at $299 and P10 Pro at $199 competing with nVidia's big dies like happened in the 4xxx generation as some are suggesting, but I doubt that. P10 XT might show a slight uplift in value compared to current pricing on the 390X, but if it does it will be pretty minor IMO.
I've lost my confidence in Nvidia. I will watch what happens but I am no longer confident that I will buy Nvidia next time. However, I am confident that their products look good at first, in the same way a baited hook looks nice to a fish, or a casino looks good to a gambling addict.
I've lost my confidence in Nvidia. I will watch what happens but I am no longer confident that I will buy Nvidia next time. However, I am confident that their products look good at first, in the same way a baited hook looks nice to a fish, or a casino looks good to a gambling addict.
I dont if they fear to be upset by AMD, but I think what I put in bold is right.
I just keep thinking of the 980TI. Nvidia seem to hold onto it knowing about what AMD was bring and when. They put out the 980TI just before them and at a lower price then what people would of though of. I really Feel this is going to end up the same way.
I feel the same way. I am hoping that I can show this by not buying my next card from Nvidia, but my 780ti is just not handling things and I dont think AMD will bring anything I would want until Vega. I just dont know how much longer I can hold out.
The schilling is almost unbearable with this. I typically can't stand Vlad @ TheVerge but this one takes it to a whole new level.. http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/7/11615806/nvidia-gtx-1080-1070-pascal-specs-price-release-date
He literally has his subtitle as "Almost irresponsible amounts of performance".
Reading the comments just makes me want to gag. People eat up anything, marketing is so insane. Does anyone really trust a journalist that copy pastes the fluff that comes out of nVidia's CEO? 3x faster than Titan ()
So 20% faster for the same price qualifies that statement? Can anyone even notice 20% difference in actual gaming feel?
When I said the 1070/1080 will DESTROY the market people get upset. It's the Nvidia marketing machine though that will make it possible, not the actual products which are literally a joke.
I rarely ever meet someone who is upset by an Nvidia purchase no matter how poor hte price/performance is. That's what matters. As long as the Nvidia echo chamber lives, Nvidia will be fine.
I guess what I really hate is the fact that AMD doesn't get the sales/credit that it is due. They have been putting out great products for a very long time. If they had the funds available you better believe we would have had Vega day 1. Why else would they just release the mid-low range chips? Why force a compromise if you don't have to?
If they had been receiving income directly proportional to their engineering and actual video card values they would have had R&D budget to make this generation even better.
And guess what nvidia fans? That 1080 that's $600? It would have been $400 out of the gate if buyers had done proper research and AMD received higher sales in the 79070/290x generations. Instead AMD could only bring out Polaris and nvidia gets to charge whatever the feel like for the 1080.
I guess what I really hate is the fact that AMD doesn't get the sales/credit that it is due.
It's a free market. Unless you're going to allege some illegal business practices by Nvidia (good luck convincing anyone of that) then AMD got exactly what they deserved. No one put a gun to anyone's head to make them buy anything other than what they did.
Polaris will be published at the Computex - three weeks after nVidia's event. nVidia had no reason to announce their new cards if they would fear AMD.
This had me laughing.Then in April it got price gut to $480 and bundled with 3 games. So anyone who bought a 7970 between launch and March got screwed out of ~$100-120 in value. EDIT: Because I'm not a hypocrite, I didn't complain - I paid my early adopter tax, but you bet prolific posters here suddenly flip flopped and the 7970 was the best thing since slice breaded where as a month earlier it was overpriced and not worth it.
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If you learned business sense, it is actually the exact opposite of what you said. Nvidia had every reason to announce their new cards now since they get an extra month of advertising with no risk by giving the competition extra information about the product. Nvidia feels completely confident that there is no competing card to the 1080 that they had no problem releasing most of the technical information about it. They feel a little worried that the 1070 might have to compete against AMD's best, and held off on the specs.
So by releasing information early, Nvidia just gained a month of extra press time all to themselves. If AMD bites and releases their information now to prevent Nvidia from having all the press, Nvidia just gained 6 or so weeks advantage on what they would have previously had to tweak their design of the 1070 as a response to AMD's card. But, for now, they feel pretty good that they have the better performing products given that all the information out of AMD has specified that they are working on a lower performance, higher power efficiency design and targeting the 200-400 mass market as well as attempting to get something that competes in the laptop market. To Nvidia that means their 1080 was going to be without competition, and possibly their 1070 as well since they feel the 1070 will be as fast if not faster that a 980ti and they don't think AMD will have a product that will really match that performance level at the cost/efficiency point they are attempting to hit.
If you learned business sense, it is actually the exact opposite of what you said. Nvidia had every reason to announce their new cards now since they get an extra month of advertising with no risk by giving the competition extra information about the product. Nvidia feels completely confident that there is no competing card to the 1080 that they had no problem releasing most of the technical information about it. They feel a little worried that the 1070 might have to compete against AMD's best, and held off on the specs.
So by releasing information early, Nvidia just gained a month of extra press time all to themselves. If AMD bites and releases their information now to prevent Nvidia from having all the press, Nvidia just gained 6 or so weeks advantage on what they would have previously had to tweak their design of the 1070 as a response to AMD's card. But, for now, they feel pretty good that they have the better performing products given that all the information out of AMD has specified that they are working on a lower performance, higher power efficiency design and targeting the 200-400 mass market as well as attempting to get something that competes in the laptop market. To Nvidia that means their 1080 was going to be without competition, and possibly their 1070 as well since they feel the 1070 will be as fast if not faster that a 980ti and they don't think AMD will have a product that will really match that performance level at the cost/efficiency point they are attempting to hit.
We know the GTX1070 specs.
Those arent specs, those are a few bullet points.
nVidia is with holding specs so they can make tweaks to clock speeds and such to top Polaris.
Those arent specs, those are a few bullet points.
nVidia is with holding specs so they can make tweaks to clock speeds and such to top Polaris.
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1080 (ZT-P10800A-10P) specifications
- GPU: GeForce® GTX 1080
- CUDA cores: 2560
- Video Memory: 8GB GDDR5X
- Memory Bus: 256-bit
- Engine Clock Base: 1607 MHz
- Boost: 1733 MHz
- Memory Clock: 10000 MHz
- PCI Express 3.0
- Display Outputs: 3 x DisplayPort 1.4, HDMI 2.0b, DL-DVI
- HDCP Support: Yes
- Multi Display Capability: Quad Display
- Recommended Power Supply: 500W
- Power Consumption: 180W
- Power Input: 8-pin
- APIs: DirectX 12 API feature level 12_1, OpenGL 4.5
- Cooling: Blower
- Slot Size: Dual Slot
- SLI: Yes
- Supported OS: Windows 10 / 8 / 7 / Vista
- Card Length: 266.7mm x 111.15mm
- Accessories: Dual 6-pin to 8-pin PCIe adapter, Driver Disk, User Manual
6.5 TFLOPs, thats all that we need to know.
Also, they will not change that unless we are talking about AIBs overclocked cards.
But like most Nvidia cards GFLOPS is simply a ballpark.
The actual boost/real game speed is still up for tweaking.
I think that 1070 is going to sell like crazy. If it performs like a 980ti then that has to be very tempting for people looking for an upgrade at a decent price. .