Anybody recently buy AMD?

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: knightc2
To piss you off!

Let's see...

Cheapest core2duo ~$180
Cheap decent core2duo board ~$80
New GPU ~$100
DDR2 Ram ~$130
Total ~$490

VS

New AMD dual core ~$150
AMD 939 6150 motherboard ~$90
Total ~$240

You do the math on that one.

More $$$, more beer.

Sure it won't be as fast, but in real world usage it won't make much of a difference and the cost savings speak for themselves.

If you go C2D, you could just get the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA motherboard and that will allow you to reuse your DDR memory and AGP video card for $55.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: knightc2
To piss you off!

Let's see...

Cheapest core2duo ~$180
Cheap decent core2duo board ~$80
New GPU ~$100
DDR2 Ram ~$130
Total ~$490

VS

New AMD dual core ~$150
AMD 939 6150 motherboard ~$90
Total ~$240

You do the math on that one.

More $$$, more beer.

Sure it won't be as fast, but in real world usage it won't make much of a difference and the cost savings speak for themselves.

If you go C2D, you could just get the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA motherboard and that will allow you to reuse your DDR memory and AGP video card for $55.

True. The ASRock provides all the right reasons to go Core 2 and keep it about as cheap as AMD. But, if someone just wanted a simple gaming box, a sub $75 A64 would do the trick and save some green.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: ItsAlive
AM3 and K8L will be compatible with AM2 motherboards........so one good reason would be upgradeablity. While all the Intel users have to upgrade the entire system to use DDR3 an AM2 user can just upgrade the CPU. They can use DDR2 and AM2 motherboards until AM3 boards and DDR3 ram prices come down. Saves time and money.

Please disregard the above statments if starting a flame war was the intended purpose of this thread.

Prove that statement. I didn't read anything that said that Intel's next CPU would change sockets.

 

[customcoms]

Kentsfield will run on a C2D mobo. Quad core for AMD will probably be available on AM2 and AM3 (I wouldn't be surprised if they limited it to AM3 b/c of memory bandwidth limitations).

As for the price comparisons:

You missed out on the ram, and you need at least a $100 gpu to really play the latest games. This levels the playing field price wise. However, for those of us with good S939 setups its almost a no brainer. As for the Intel platform, I wish their was a decent board available at $80-you need to spend $135+ to get anything that overclocks (and who wouldn't overclock a C2D?)

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: customcoms
Kentsfield will run on a C2D mobo. Quad core for AMD will probably be available on AM2 and AM3 (I wouldn't be surprised if they limited it to AM3 b/c of memory bandwidth limitations).

As for the price comparisons:

You missed out on the ram, and you need at least a $100 gpu to really play the latest games. This levels the playing field price wise. However, for those of us with good S939 setups its almost a no brainer. As for the Intel platform, I wish their was a decent board available at $80-you need to spend $135+ to get anything that overclocks (and who wouldn't overclock a C2D?)

There are people who are upgrading from Athlon Xp and socket 478 P4 systems to C2D and won't overclock.

 

[Parasitic]

I pondered about the same thing too when I ordered the 4400+ X2. The ASRock + E6300 would have been just a little more than a 4400+ x2 alone but it's just much easier to replace the 4400+ x2 and get the same level of performance improvement compared to having to swap mobo + CPU for the Conroe and reinstalling Windows and everything.

 

[FDF12389]

I wanted to go from single core to dual core without changing anything else, so I just bought a X2 4200

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: shamans

Originally posted by: nadirshakur
What possible reason can you have?

Because > 90% of people don't need that much cpu power anytime soon.

Then why upgrade at all?

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: shamans

Originally posted by: nadirshakur
What possible reason can you have?

Because > 90% of people don't need that much cpu power anytime soon.

Then why upgrade at all?

Lets say I was upgrading from a PIII to a A64 3400 with a motherboard for one bill. Thats a good reason.

 

[ItsAlive]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: ItsAlive
AM3 and K8L will be compatible with AM2 motherboards........so one good reason would be upgradeablity. While all the Intel users have to upgrade the entire system to use DDR3 an AM2 user can just upgrade the CPU. They can use DDR2 and AM2 motherboards until AM3 boards and DDR3 ram prices come down. Saves time and money.

Please disregard the above statments if starting a flame war was the intended purpose of this thread.

Prove that statement. I didn't read anything that said that Intel's next CPU would change sockets.

I was actually suggesting Intel would use a chipset change rather than a socket change but either way a new motherboard would be needed. So new mobo, new chip, new ram= complete system overhaul in my opinion. While AM2 users can just swap out the chip to AM3. That all has to do with Intel trying to bleed its consumers dry. Ever notice a trend? Everytime new chips come out new chipsets are required. That way Intel sells motherboards like hotcakes. Hence the reason they will not switch the memory controller to on die. Since AM3 will have a memory controller that is compatible with DDR2 and DDR3 it can be used on older chipsets.....it was my speculation about K8L being compatible with AM2 however. My bad.

Really its all up to the consumer. Get whatever you like, but dont feel bad when your $200 motherboard is obsolete in 6 months. I personally will get an AM3 chip when it comes to market and keep my AM2 motherboard and DDR2 until DDR3 is released, tested, debugged, and costs less.

 

[nadirshakur]

I certainly was not trying to cause a flame war. I should have been more specific in my question. My Bad. What I meant was why would someone buy a X2 over C2D for example, in the same price range. Obviously if buying C2D means getting a new Mobo, Ram etc then it would definitely make sense to get a X2 if you do not want to spend some more money. Or why would someone get a completely new X2 build(Cpu+Mobo+ram etc.)?

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: nadirshakur
I certainly was not trying to cause a flame war. I should have been more specific in my question. My Bad. What I meant was why would someone buy a X2 over C2D for example, in the same price range. Obviously if buying C2D means getting a new Mobo, Ram etc then it would definitely make sense to get a X2 if you do not want to spend some more money. Or why would someone get a completely new X2 build(Cpu+Mobo+ram etc.)?

Well, they are not really in the same price range anymore. C2D is not really expensive, but they are a fair amount more, but you do get some good performance for that money.

 

[adairusmc]

Because I spend my money on whatever I damn well please. STFU and get over it.

 

[nadirshakur]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: nadirshakur
I certainly was not trying to cause a flame war. I should have been more specific in my question. My Bad. What I meant was why would someone buy a X2 over C2D for example, in the same price range. Obviously if buying C2D means getting a new Mobo, Ram etc then it would definitely make sense to get a X2 if you do not want to spend some more money. Or why would someone get a completely new X2 build(Cpu+Mobo+ram etc.)?

Well, they are not really in the same price range anymore. C2D is not really expensive, but they are a fair amount more, but you do get some good performance for that money.

That ifcouse is true. Your right, only some are in the same price range like the 6400 vs 4600 or 6300 vs 4200.
X2 vs C2D.

 

[nadirshakur]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
Because I spend my money on whatever I damn well please. STFU and get over it.

Wow, take it easy man. Just having a discussion. What's upsetting you? I am not trying to trash AMD if that's it. I am actually interested in a good reason. Thats all.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: ItsAlive

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: ItsAlive
AM3 and K8L will be compatible with AM2 motherboards........so one good reason would be upgradeablity. While all the Intel users have to upgrade the entire system to use DDR3 an AM2 user can just upgrade the CPU. They can use DDR2 and AM2 motherboards until AM3 boards and DDR3 ram prices come down. Saves time and money.

Please disregard the above statments if starting a flame war was the intended purpose of this thread.

Prove that statement. I didn't read anything that said that Intel's next CPU would change sockets.

I was actually suggesting Intel would use a chipset change rather than a socket change but either way a new motherboard would be needed. So new mobo, new chip, new ram= complete system overhaul in my opinion. While AM2 users can just swap out the chip to AM3. That all has to do with Intel trying to bleed its consumers dry. Ever notice a trend? Everytime new chips come out new chipsets are required. That way Intel sells motherboards like hotcakes. Hence the reason they will not switch the memory controller to on die. Since AM3 will have a memory controller that is compatible with DDR2 and DDR3 it can be used on older chipsets.....it was my speculation about K8L being compatible with AM2 however. My bad.

Really its all up to the consumer. Get whatever you like, but dont feel bad when your $200 motherboard is obsolete in 6 months. I personally will get an AM3 chip when it comes to market and keep my AM2 motherboard and DDR2 until DDR3 is released, tested, debugged, and costs less.

Again how do you know it won't work with what's there already? Fact is...you don't.

 

[ItsAlive]

Well since I dont know it wont work then how do you know it will work? Can you give me any reason why it would work?

New DDR3 chipsets

Says the new chipsets will support both DDR2 and DDR3 it may possibly support the C2D chips, but it doesnt state that in the article.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: nadirshakur

Originally posted by: adairusmc
Because I spend my money on whatever I damn well please. STFU and get over it.

Wow, take it easy man. Just having a discussion. What's upsetting you? I am not trying to trash AMD if that's it. I am actually interested in a good reason. Thats all.

I forgot to add the

I wasnt trying to be mean or anything.

 

[Acanthus]

Is DDR3 even going to be 240 pin? Wouldnt it by design require a platform change?

 

[ItsAlive]

Actually it is 240 pins just in a different configuration. So a platform change is needed.

DDR3

 

[nadirshakur]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: nadirshakur

Originally posted by: adairusmc
Because I spend my money on whatever I damn well please. STFU and get over it.

Wow, take it easy man. Just having a discussion. What's upsetting you? I am not trying to trash AMD if that's it. I am actually interested in a good reason. Thats all.

I forgot to add the

I wasnt trying to be mean or anything.

Oh ok. So I take it you bought an AMD?

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: nadirshakur

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: nadirshakur

Originally posted by: adairusmc
Because I spend my money on whatever I damn well please. STFU and get over it.

Wow, take it easy man. Just having a discussion. What's upsetting you? I am not trying to trash AMD if that's it. I am actually interested in a good reason. Thats all.

I forgot to add the

I wasnt trying to be mean or anything.

Oh ok. So I take it you bought an AMD?

I bought an X2 4800+ to replace a 4000+ about two weeks ago.

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: shamans

Originally posted by: nadirshakur
What possible reason can you have?

Because > 90% of people don't need that much cpu power anytime soon.

Then why upgrade at all?

Lets say I was upgrading from a PIII to a A64 3400 with a motherboard for one bill. Thats a good reason.

In that case yes, intel needs some single core conroes to compete, but what if you wanted a dual core? It seems foolish to go with amd.

 

[Stumps]

ummm because C2D processors are extremely expensive in Australia and I like AMD...I see no real reason to change

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: ItsAlive
Actually it is 240 pins just in a different configuration. So a platform change is needed.

DDR3

So the people saying they can upgrade to DDR3 on the same motherboard in the future are full of crap...