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"What happens in Virginia, will in large part determine what happens in 2022, 2024 and on"
- Kamala Harris


Nice to see her finally get it right.

Thanks Dingster1 for doing your part.
 

K1052

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Yes, it’s working out fine so far? The party in power often loses midterm elections, but we will end up with a lot of excellent policy which is of course the entire reason to have power to begin with.

There was a lot of confusion in conservative circles over why Dems passed the ACA when faced with similar circumstances. Like the idea that maintenance of political power at all costs is paramount in the calculation to never actually implement policy. History tends to vindicate the right move over the long term.
 

K1052

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So, losing both VA and NJ?

GOP supermajorities next year or what? So bad.

Consensus of election twitter is Murphy will probably pull it out.

The potential size of GOP majorities will largely be governed by a number of factors that we can't predict. What shape will the pandemic be in? How's the economy doing and how does the electorate perceive the economy as doing? What's Trump up to? Does something happen in the interim that puts the GOP back on its heels again with Women (SCOTUS abortion ruling)? Etc.
 
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Zorba

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It's easy to see why this is happening..

Dems aren't fighting for the stuff they said they would fight for so why show up to vote?

Next year the only democrat who is getting my vote is AOC.
All Democrats in Congress except for two are fighting for what they campaigned on. All republicans are blocking it. Why would you vote for the party blocking everything if you want something done?

Americans fundamentally don't understand how Congress works, see it as nothing but dysfunctional and then vote for the party promising dysfunction.
 

K1052

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In local news here in Austin Prop A went down 68-31 LMAO. They barely got more people to vote for it then signed the petition to get it on the ballot.
 

Zorba

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Yes, it’s working out fine so far? The party in power often loses midterm elections, but we will end up with a lot of excellent policy which is of course the entire reason to have power to begin with.
That is yet to be seen.

Decent chance we get nothing real passed, Breyer won't retire, Thomas won't die, until after 2022 and the court will be truly fucked.
 

fskimospy

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So, losing both VA and NJ?

GOP supermajorities next year or what? So bad.
First, Democrats are highly likely to win NJ.

Second, while it is likely that the Democrats lose seats in Congress and it’s likely the GOP will control one or both chambers the idea of GOP supermajorities in Congress means that for the senate you think Democrats will lose 10 of the 14 seats they have up for election, all of which are in states Trump lost. This also would need to involve a GOP pickup in Hawaii, Vermont, California, New York, or Maryland. This is…extremely unlikely.

You’re doing the thing again where you love being panicked and depressed so much that no matter what the circumstances are you invent some reason to be. What’s up with that? Is being sad that much fun?
 

K1052

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That is yet to be seen.

Decent chance we get nothing real passed, Breyer won't retire, Thomas won't die, until after 2022 and the court will be truly fucked.

I'm more of the opinion the VA result spurs desire to button up and pass the BIF and BBB. They also need to pass a budget and raise the debt ceiling before Dec 3. I doubt there is a lot of desire be seen publicly screwing around some more.
 

IronWing

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In local news here in Austin Prop A went down 68-31 LMAO. They barely got more people to vote for it then signed the petition to get it on the ballot.
Here the local minimum wage hike won handily, setting up a legal battle with the batshit crazy legislature.

The local school district tax rate override also won. The override process allows folks in wealthy areas to vote money for their local schools while still sending anti-education radicals to the state legislature who will vote to cut funding for education statewide. It’s a way to get around anti segregation court rulings.
 

fskimospy

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Also supermajorities for the GOP in Congress wouldn’t even do anything because 60 senators is only good for defeating a filibuster. A veto or impeachment conviction requires 67, meaning Democrats have to lose 17 out of the 14 seats they have up for it to mean anything.

No doubt @gothuevos has figured out some way this will transpire though, haha.
 
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gothuevos

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First, Democrats are highly likely to win NJ.

Second, while it is likely that the Democrats lose seats in Congress and it’s likely the GOP will control one or both chambers the idea of GOP supermajorities in Congress means that for the senate you think Democrats will lose 10 of the 14 seats they have up for election, all of which are in states Trump lost. This also would need to involve a GOP pickup in Hawaii, Vermont, California, New York, or Maryland. This is…extremely unlikely.

You’re doing the thing again where you love being panicked and depressed so much that no matter what the circumstances are you invent some reason to be. What’s up with that? Is being sad that much fun?

Appreciate your words of reason.
 
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K1052

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Here the local minimum wage hike won handily, setting up a legal battle with the batshit crazy legislature.

The local school district tax rate override also won. The override process allows folks in wealthy areas to vote money for their local schools while still sending anti-education radicals to the state legislature who will vote to cut funding for education statewide. It’s a way to get around anti segregation court rulings.

A rational state GOP would keep their mouths shut about min wage because basically every time it's on the ballot it wins. Last one statewide in AZ outran Trump by 10 points in 2016.
 

Mai72

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Biden is going to be a 1-term president, like Carter. This IMO is just further proof that many voters are upset with the way things are going. Inflation being one. The high price of gasoline. It isn't all Biden's fault, but people don't see it that way. And, the vacinne mandates are going to drive more people to vote Republican. It has already happened. Murphy should had easily won the NJ election. But, many people distrust and don't like him.
 

fskimospy

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Biden is going to be a 1-term president, like Carter. This IMO is just further proof that many voters are upset with the way things are going. Inflation being one. The high price of gasoline. It isn't all Biden's fault, but people don't see it that way. And, the vacinne mandates are going to drive more people to vote Republican. It has already happened. Murphy should had easily won the NJ election. But, many people distrust and don't like him.
As a point of context a Democrat has not won re-election as New Jersey governor since 1977.
 
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fskimospy

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One big question is what's Trump going to do if other Rs want to follow the Youngkin playbook and basically try to keep him sidelined?
Is he going to sit around while they take all the credit?

Trump - > loses Virginia by 5 points, then by 10 points.
Youngkin - > narrowly wins Virginia by ignoring Trump.

Conclusion: Trump is needed to win Virginia.

Yes Republicans, this is an excellent strategy.
 

JEDI

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In local news here in Austin Prop A went down 68-31 LMAO. They barely got more people to vote for it then signed the petition to get it on the ballot.
wow.. Prop A was to boost police #s to 2% of city population.
thought 2% was the regular standard in urban US cities?!
 

K1052

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wow.. Prop A was to boost police #s to 2% of city population.
thought 2% was the regular standard in urban US cities?!

The size of APD doesn't really tell the whole story since there are at least 100 cops on UT police and various state/county responsibilities in the city with their own forces.

Anyway the overwhelming sentiment here is that APD has been withholding services so why reward them for it?
 
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