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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I'm more of the opinion the VA result spurs desire to button up and pass the BIF and BBB. They also need to pass a budget and raise the debt ceiling before Dec 3. I doubt there is a lot of desire be seen publicly screwing around some more.
We can hope.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Apparently the election truthers are coming out again for Bergen County in NJ because they can't accept losing.

Apparently Bergen reported being 100% counted last night without counting any of their mail in ballots, which had the Republican candidate winning. Now that they are reporting the mail in ballots he's losing - their response? It's more likely that Democrats cheated than to think that a county as large as Bergen had zero mail in ballots.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Apparently the election truthers are coming out again for Bergen County in NJ because they can't accept losing.

Apparently Bergen reported being 100% counted last night without counting any of their mail in ballots, which had the Republican candidate winning. Now that they are reporting the mail in ballots he's losing - their response? It's more likely that Democrats cheated than to think that a county as large as Bergen had zero mail in ballots.

Mail in ballots arriving or counting late and changing the election results - is never going to be accepted.
People believe there is a lack of chain of custody. That such ballots can simply be forged and added to the pile.
Whether it is true or not, that is how it is viewed by many Republicans.
 

Dave_5k

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wow.. Prop A was to boost police #s to 2% of city population.
thought 2% was the regular standard in urban US cities?!
Minor note: 0.2% (2 per 1000 population), not 2%, is a commonly quoted police officer ratio, FBI uniform crime reporting data showed about 2.5 per 1000 as overall US average. Although D.C., Chicago, and New York are some examples far above that (operating at 4 to 6 per 1000)
 
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fskimospy

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Mail in ballots arriving or counting late and changing the election results - is never going to be accepted.
People believe there is a lack of chain of custody. That such ballots can simply be forged and added to the pile.
Whether it is true or not, that is how it is viewed by many Republicans.
It was literally accepted for all of the history of mail in ballots until 2020.

I understand that some people believe that but that's because Republicans have deliberately lied to them to excuse their loss of elections. The idea that we are going to disenfranchise voters because of liars is not and will never be acceptable.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Mail in ballots arriving or counting late and changing the election results - is never going to be accepted.
People believe there is a lack of chain of custody. That such ballots can simply be forged and added to the pile.
Whether it is true or not, that is how it is viewed by many Republicans.
Funny how prior to 2020 the had no issue with mail ins, when they heavily skewed in their favor.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Mail in ballots arriving or counting late and changing the election results - is never going to be accepted.
People believe there is a lack of chain of custody. That such ballots can simply be forged and added to the pile.
Whether it is true or not, that is how it is viewed by many Republicans.

Unless they win, of course.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I will say McAuliffe sucked as a candidate. I listened to him on Pod Save America, and even when they were trying to redirect him all he could do was attack Trump. I would've still voted for him because I don't trust any republican right now, but nothing in that interview made me want to vote for him.

Running against Trump was a flawed strategy.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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I will say McAuliffe sucked as a candidate. I listened to him on Pod Save America, and even when they were trying to redirect him all he could do was attack Trump. I would've still voted for him because I don't trust any republican right now, but nothing in that interview made me want to vote for him.

Running against Trump was a flawed strategy.

Yup. Limp and no clear story about WHY he was running for governor and what that means for you voters. Coupled with a lackluster campaign.
 
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fskimospy

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So yesterday Republicans were claiming Virginia was rigged and fraudulent. Is that still true?
 
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Dave_5k

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It was literally accepted for all of the history of mail in ballots until 2020.

I understand that some people believe that but that's because Republicans have deliberately lied to them to excuse their loss of elections. The idea that we are going to disenfranchise voters because of liars is not and will never be acceptable.
Allowing ballots to be received after election day I still think is a terrible idea (for the ~15 states that allow it, majority of states require mail-in ballots to be received by election day). New Jersey Governor race is close enough that ballots not yet received, by the dozens of various locations, could swing the result as NJ allows 6 days for ballots to still arrive.

Also, jurisdictions not having good processes to count mail-in ballots in as timely a manner as the election day ballots certainly doesn't help.
 

fskimospy

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Allowing ballots to be received after election day I still think is a terrible idea (for the ~15 states that allow it, majority of states require mail-in ballots to be received by election day). New Jersey Governor race is close enough that ballots not yet received, by the dozens of various locations, could swing the result as NJ allows 6 days for ballots to still arrive.

Also, jurisdictions not having good processes to count mail-in ballots in as timely a manner as the election day ballots certainly doesn't help.
I see no plausibe path for them to swing the vote, as I said earlier it was almost certain Murphy was going to win and now it seems beyond reach for Republicans.

I see no problem with counting ballots postmarked before election day but I do see a large problem with states prohibiting their counting until election day because that does nothing other than slow results down and sow uncertainty like in Pennsylvania. Then again, that was the goal.
 
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Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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Allowing ballots to be received after election day I still think is a terrible idea (for the ~15 states that allow it, majority of states require mail-in ballots to be received by election day). New Jersey Governor race is close enough that ballots not yet received, by the dozens of various locations, could swing the result as NJ allows 6 days for ballots to still arrive.

Also, jurisdictions not having good processes to count mail-in ballots in as timely a manner as the election day ballots certainly doesn't help.
Why? If the mail fucks up, your vote doesn't count through no fault of your own.
Mind you, Republicans love demonizing and gutting the postal service. Yet another avenue to disenfranchise voters


Postmarked by election day should be just as valid as any other vote.
 

fskimospy

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Lol, within 7k votes, and not all the ballots have even been received yet, much less counted.
That doesn't really matter though because even if Murphy was currently losing the vote the correct call would be that he will win because it's all about where the votes remaining to be counted are, and they are very friendly to him.

It's over.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Lol, within 7k votes, and not all the ballots have even been received yet, much less counted.

Mail ballots from Dem areas are breaking for Murphy, which is most of what's outstanding.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Funny how prior to 2020 the had no issue with mail ins, when they heavily skewed in their favor.

That is because of the pandemic, leading millions to use it for the first time. Making it used widely enough to be the deciding factor in the future of the country.

With power, comes challenge. And now it is in the spotlight with a target on its back.

I understand that some people believe that but that's because Republicans have deliberately lied to them to excuse their loss of elections. The idea that we are going to disenfranchise voters because of liars is not and will never be acceptable.

Not the first Republican campaign that "will never be acceptable", but it may be the one with the highest stakes. If people refuse to accept election results, we are breeding unrest.
 
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So yesterday Republicans were claiming Virginia was rigged and fraudulent. Is that still true?
Of course it is... but they fought it and won... see that's why all they are doing is important. They defeated the obvious fraud like it should have been...
 
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Allowing ballots to be received after election day I still think is a terrible idea (for the ~15 states that allow it, majority of states require mail-in ballots to be received by election day). New Jersey Governor race is close enough that ballots not yet received, by the dozens of various locations, could swing the result as NJ allows 6 days for ballots to still arrive.

Also, jurisdictions not having good processes to count mail-in ballots in as timely a manner as the election day ballots certainly doesn't help.
They should be allowed to precount ballots to speed the process, but ballots should be accepted if postmarked/mailed by election day.

Republicans have pushed a narrative of fraud because of perfectly normal things, and the media just goes along for the ride, because "what is truth? Let's ask both sides."
 
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fskimospy

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Not the first Republican campaign that "will never be acceptable", but it may be the one with the highest stakes. If people refuse to accept election results, we are breeding unrest.
The answer is to fight the lies, not give into the liars, as they are the ones breeding unrest.

You think if we give into them there they will stop lying and call it a day? Of course not, they will just move to something new. There's no appeasing them.
 

ElFenix

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All Democrats in Congress except for two are fighting for what they campaigned on. All republicans are blocking it. Why would you vote for the party blocking everything if you want something done?

Americans fundamentally don't understand how Congress works, see it as nothing but dysfunctional and then vote for the party promising dysfunction.
where is the rage +1 reaction when you need it?
 

Dave_5k

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Why? If the mail fucks up, your vote doesn't count through no fault of your own.
Mind you, Republicans love demonizing and gutting the postal service. Yet another avenue to disenfranchise voters


Postmarked by election day should be just as valid as any other vote.
Why I am against allowing ballots received after election day? (which is only allowed in ~15 states, others all disallow late ballots)

1) Unnecessarily strings out and complicates the entire election process, particularly for federal elections
2) Which, while it has no actual impact on election security, greatly reinforces the perception of the possibility of election fraud, which reinforces recent Republican disinformation campaigns.
Timely elections processes helps remove one path for destroying democracy through distrust.

And there is no reason to not follow the other 35 states in having a uniform deadline for ballot receipt (election day), as either mailing in ballot early or dropping in drop box on election day puts no impediment to voting.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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I'm disappointed in my state. I know about the no Dem has win reelection in decades, but I expected better. A couple counties that went Trump in 2016 and then switched to Biden in 2020 went for Shitarelli, like Morris county where my sister lives.

Also turnout was low in deep blue areas like Jersey City, the second largest city in the state. Out of a population of just over 260K, just over 30K voted, in the mayoral race numbers, for example. Low turnout.

Luckily the votes remaining to be counted are in blue to heavily blue remaining areas so Murphy should win. Thank God.

Shitarelli was going to fuck with the schools, which are among the best in the nation, and try to put a monkey wrench in the recreational marijuana program, because GQP'ers are all about Freedumbs

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