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emperus

Diamond Member
Apr 6, 2012
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My ongoing complaint about the Dems is that they always make the dumbest most naive responses to GOP propaganda and thus lose control of the narrative. IMO it's because they keep foolishly expecting Republicans to act in good faith.
Meanwhile, the Republicans win a governorship entirely on the promise that kids in white suburbia won't have to find out that grandma approved of throwing rocks at Ruby Bridges.
Agreed and you have people on TV ringing their hands that Dems need to govern better.. What? Younkin just won an election on BS.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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This feels like the end game of democracy in America. All you have to do is through a little propaganda around and gum up the works, and bam Americans forget you are a piece of shit and elect you again.

Fuck Sinema and Mounchin.
 
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Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Agreed. The Dems are naive as fuck. They keep having too much faith in humanity. They gotta understand it's time to take the gloves off and realize that the majority of the Trump base are deplorables. Talk tough and explain to the independents that CRT scare is bullshit. It's like McCarthyism. It's lies, They just don't want to teach about history, etc.. It's not rocket science but they are too polite.

Well, if Dems talk too tough, then it's "cancel culture." What they really need to is wise up, stop taking the emotional bait, and just call out the bullshit.
For example, trying to explain that CRT wasn't actually being taught in schools only reinforced the false notion that CRT is scary. Instead, Dems should have just fired back with, What's wrong with teaching kids the history of all Americans?
But no, by reacting off-guard and on the defense, they allowed not just an election loss, but for the GOP to move forward with an agenda to indoctrinate kids with BS like blacks preferred being enslaved and Holocaust denialism deserves equal time in the classrooms.
And meanwhile, using cries of being against cancel culture (which is actually just private citizens expressing strong opinions they disagree with), the GOP is also moving forward with legislation to ban books and restrict free speech.
My suggestion is that Dems stop reacting emotionally and especially with the fucking namecalling. Instead, focus on legitimate and thoughtful critiques of what the GOP is actually doing, and please use the strongest words possible (they do).
And finally, always remember that while "the base" consists of people who would rather lose their jobs and/or take horse dewormer with no proven efficacy than a proven vaccine, the con artists who pull their strings are in no way stupid. That's a common mistake people make about con artists in general... that they must be stupid because you'd have to be stupid to believe them. When in fact the con artists are counting on your offended responses in order to convince their chumps to double down.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Are you talking about the party that twice impeached a President based on false and faked evidence? Where more investigators were punished for wrongdoings than the targets of the investigations.

Go eat some cyanide.. it is the best candy ever
 
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VW MAN

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Jun 27, 2020
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Are you talking about the party that twice impeached a President based on false and faked evidence? Where more investigators were punished for wrongdoings than the targets of the investigations.
This is how you say your shoe size is bigger then your IQ. Fuck off clown!
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Are you talking about the party that twice impeached a President based on false and faked evidence? Where more investigators were punished for wrongdoings than the targets of the investigations.
What was Manafort pardoned for again?

"Russia, can you hear me?"

Contrary to some popular opinion, what Trump demonstrated about Republicans was that their primary motivation is not racism but the desire to evade accountability and consequence.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Well, if Dems talk too tough, then it's "cancel culture." What they really need to is wise up, stop taking the emotional bait, and just call out the bullshit.
For example, trying to explain that CRT wasn't actually being taught in schools only reinforced the false notion that CRT is scary. Instead, Dems should have just fired back with, What's wrong with teaching kids the history of all Americans?
But no, by reacting off-guard and on the defense, they allowed not just an election loss, but for the GOP to move forward with an agenda to indoctrinate kids with BS like blacks preferred being enslaved and Holocaust denialism deserves equal time in the classrooms.
And meanwhile, using cries of being against cancel culture (which is actually just private citizens expressing strong opinions they disagree with), the GOP is also moving forward with legislation to ban books and restrict free speech.
My suggestion is that Dems stop reacting emotionally and especially with the fucking namecalling. Instead, focus on legitimate and thoughtful critiques of what the GOP is actually doing, and please use the strongest words possible (they do).
And finally, always remember that while "the base" consists of people who would rather lose their jobs and/or take horse dewormer with no proven efficacy than a proven vaccine, the con artists who pull their strings are in no way stupid. That's a common mistake people make about con artists in general... that they must be stupid because you'd have to be stupid to believe them. When in fact the con artists are counting on your offended responses in order to convince their chumps to double down.
It doesn't fucking matter. You can't beat non-stop lies and bullshit with the truth, especially when half the media is spreading the lies and the other half cares more about the fight than anything else.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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It's easy to see why this is happening..

Dems aren't fighting for the stuff they said they would fight for so why show up to vote?

Next year the only democrat who is getting my vote is AOC.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Are you talking about the party that twice impeached a President based on false and faked evidence? Where more investigators were punished for wrongdoings than the targets of the investigations.
Nope! I’m talking about the party that attempted a coup.

A president can be impeached and removed for any reason or essentially no reason if enough of Congress votes for it. Now we both know Trump was 100% guilty both times but Republicans are too partisan to put the country first.

Regardless, impeachment and how the democrats conducted it was entirely legal. Attempting to get the election overturned? Not so legal. If you were a moral person you would use this opportunity to jettison the GOP. Unsurprisingly, you are not.
 

ondma

Platinum Member
Mar 18, 2018
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Well, if Dems talk too tough, then it's "cancel culture." What they really need to is wise up, stop taking the emotional bait, and just call out the bullshit.
For example, trying to explain that CRT wasn't actually being taught in schools only reinforced the false notion that CRT is scary. Instead, Dems should have just fired back with, What's wrong with teaching kids the history of all Americans?
But no, by reacting off-guard and on the defense, they allowed not just an election loss, but for the GOP to move forward with an agenda to indoctrinate kids with BS like blacks preferred being enslaved and Holocaust denialism deserves equal time in the classrooms.
And meanwhile, using cries of being against cancel culture (which is actually just private citizens expressing strong opinions they disagree with), the GOP is also moving forward with legislation to ban books and restrict free speech.
My suggestion is that Dems stop reacting emotionally and especially with the fucking namecalling. Instead, focus on legitimate and thoughtful critiques of what the GOP is actually doing, and please use the strongest words possible (they do).
And finally, always remember that while "the base" consists of people who would rather lose their jobs and/or take horse dewormer with no proven efficacy than a proven vaccine, the con artists who pull their strings are in no way stupid. That's a common mistake people make about con artists in general... that they must be stupid because you'd have to be stupid to believe them. When in fact the con artists are counting on your offended responses in order to convince their chumps to double down.
No, "cancel culture" is simply focusing on the wrong issues, or at least pontificating on them, meanwhile failing to unify and act on very real needs of jobs, healthcare, immigration, education, infrastructure, environment, etc. Meanwhile, the Republicans very efficiently pound critical race theory, immigration, gun "rights", "baby killing" and so on. The Democrats have to be the most politically inept group of politicians ever seen on the face of the earth.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Nope! I’m talking about the party that attempted a coup.

A president can be impeached and removed for any reason or essentially no reason if enough of Congress votes for it. Now we both know Trump was 100% guilty both times but Republicans are too partisan to put the country first.

Regardless, impeachment and how the democrats conducted it was entirely legal. Attempting to get the election overturned? Not so legal. If you were a moral person you would use this opportunity to jettison the GOP. Unsurprisingly, you are not.

It is completely in character for Brandon to false equivalence a legal process such as impeachment with completely illegal behavior, such as an attempted coup.
It's because moral people accept responsibility, while immoral people blame everyone else.
 
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ondma

Platinum Member
Mar 18, 2018
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Nope! I’m talking about the party that attempted a coup.

A president can be impeached and removed for any reason or essentially no reason if enough of Congress votes for it. Now we both know Trump was 100% guilty both times but Republicans are too partisan to put the country first.

Regardless, impeachment and how the democrats conducted it was entirely legal. Attempting to get the election overturned? Not so legal. If you were a moral person you would use this opportunity to jettison the GOP. Unsurprisingly, you are not.
Skimpy--- Well Joe did it, as you predicted. Working out real well isnt it? The midterms are going to be brutal.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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No, "cancel culture" is simply focusing on the wrong issues, or at least pontificating on them, meanwhile failing to unify and act on very real needs of jobs, healthcare, immigration, education, infrastructure, environment, etc. Meanwhile, the Republicans very efficiently pound critical race theory, immigration, gun "rights", "baby killing" and so on. The Democrats have to be the most politically inept group of politicians ever seen on the face of the earth.
claim government is broken. get elected. obstruct government from doing its job, breaking the government. run on a platform saying the government is broken.

can't do anything when your "majority" is 50+1 in a best case scenario, and republicans are in 100% obstruction mode. the above is literally their strategy.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Skimpy--- Well Joe did it, as you predicted. Working out real well isnt it? The midterms are going to be brutal.
I'm glad you think that. Dems only seem to come out to the polls when they think they might lose.

My big question is, should the Dems call fraud? We all know the GOP would have done so if they had lost, so why should the Dems be any different? And isn't "they do it too!" the Republican answer to every criticism?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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I saw it as avoiding Equatorial Guinea's fate.

We needed so much more.

If opposing THAT orange thing couldn't move the pols in a seismic fashion akin to a Reagan Revolution, then Republicans still control the country. That is how I saw 2020. A forestalled doom is still a doom. Unless you buy enough time that something else can change for the positive. But what would that be? Americans are at each other's throats and every year Republicans are not thoroughly defeated is a continued looting of America by Wall Street. Continued descent into poverty, the erasing of the middle class. A growing GAP that will only continue to produce desperate, fervent zealots that want to make believe and scapegoat their problems away instead of working to solve them. Increasing poverty, hate, and violence.

You thought only of Trump.
I looked at the big picture.
So my response to 2020 was more like "!@#$ me, we're already dead?"
 

JEDI

Lifer
Sep 25, 2001
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it's midnight and AP news hasnt called the race yet?
95% votes counted, Youngkin leads by 3%.

and once again, no idea if this includes absentee/early voting
 

cliftonite

Diamond Member
Jul 15, 2001
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VA race down to about 90k votes. Apparantly there are 170k mail in ballots left to count. Wouldn't those be enough for Tmac to pull this off?
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Skimpy--- Well Joe did it, as you predicted. Working out real well isnt it? The midterms are going to be brutal.
Yes, it’s working out fine so far? The party in power often loses midterm elections, but we will end up with a lot of excellent policy which is of course the entire reason to have power to begin with.
 
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