Anyone been to Italy before?

ManBearPig

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Ok, so I am planning a trip to Italy after school ends. I want to take two other people with me. What time would be the best to go? School ends in May (4th or so) and starts back up in September (2-3rd)...so I plan on going then.

Anyone have advice on where to visit? How to get from place to place? Where to stay (can't have a super expensive place)? Typical cost of trip per person? Length of stay (planning 7-10 days)?

As you can see, I have no idea what I am doing. I am really into Roman history (big reason I want to go). Help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 

darkxshade

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The only advice I can give you that I've acquired from ATOT is that it might be called gravy and not sauce.
 

thegimp03

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I went about 7-8 years ago. If I were you I'd go right after school ends. May 4 is really early and it'll be much less crowded there then. Plus, it might be slightly cheaper, as travel will definitely ramp up for the mid-summer period as more people go to visit. It would also be a bit cooler too, the heat hits in June and July.

The dollar sucks against the Euro right now, so it's going to be a pretty expensive trip. Not sure what the cost break out per person would be, but you would save money by staying in hostiles. I'd definitely go see Rome since you're into Roman history, Venice, and maybe Florence. You could probably do 3 days in each city.
 

Ballatician

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Great idea, I second going May 4 so you can beat the crowds. However, expect it to be quite hot nonetheless.

I always think its good to get the touristy things out of the way on a first trip and you can really do a lot in 7-10 days with the right planning. Geographically, plan it north to south or south to north. Don't spend more than 2 days in any city.

Think about something like Venice, Florence (Pisa), Sorrento (Pompei), Rome (Vatican) if you want to see a lot of things. If you want to explore Rome in particular then obviously spend more time there. Keep us updated so I can live vicariously through you.
 

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I lived there for a couple months this summer, traveling through most of Italy north of Rome. Didn't get far south as I was working an internship.

PM me if you have any questions about it.
 

AstroManLuca

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I've been there twice but the last time was almost 8 years ago. Anyway, though, I'd say make sure you hit up Florence and see the Uffizi art gallery. Also, if you're into the history of science or astronomy, they have an astronomy-themed museum there as well with a bunch of old navigation instruments and telescopes.

Avoid Milan. Other than the spectacular Duomo, it's very dirty and doesn't have much going for it. The only reason I went there is because my dad's uncle, aunt, and cousin live there, so we basically had to go there. If not for them, I wouldn't have gone to that city.

Another thing, try to go to some of the smaller cities between the big tourist destinations if you can. Verona is a beautiful place.
 

Kreon

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
Take a train to Venice, walk around, enjoy.

Venice was kinda crappy imo
everything was WAY overpriced. It came to 10 USD for a little can of Lipton Iced Tea. This was 2 years ago. The city itself was disgusting. There was trash everywhere, and even some questionable fecal matter, in addition to the bird poo in every city. The inside of the churches were nice, very beautiful. The gondola ride sucked. The water smelled bad, it was over priced, and the guy pushing it was a dick. not as bad as other guys though. We passed one who had stopped in the middle of the canal, and demanded $50 from the passengers or he would sit there til they paid. Dunno how that went. A person we talked to on the train back had been pickpocketed, apparently a common occurrence there I found out back in Germany. I guess I'm glad I went and saw Venice, but it was a kinda crappy time.

However, the Italian countryside was wonderful. The couple of places we stopped, the people were very friendly. Also, where my great uncle visited 2 years ago, they were friednly too

I dunno about anywhere else in Italy, but I'd love to go to Rome myself
 

acheron

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It is damn hot in Italy in June and July. And crowded in the major tourist cities (Venice/Florence/Rome). August is probably no cooler, and a lot of Italians go on vacation themselves during August, so some things are shut down. I'd recommend May.

Stay in youth hostels. Go between cities via train. Google for a "Eurail pass". It may or may not be cheaper than just buying train tickets individually, but you should at least look into it. But you have to buy it in advance. Basically it's like prepaid train tickets good for any trip.

I don't know about flying in and out from different places -- e.g., flying into Rome, taking trains, and flying out of Venice. Have to check with airlines about that. It would be kind of a pain in the ass to have to do Rome -> Florence -> Venice and then back to Rome to fly out, or something.

Rome is awesome. Especially if you're in to Roman history (I am as well), but even if you're not. I also absolutely love Venice... I know not everyone does, but those people are wrong. Florence I could take or leave, but it's maybe obligatory for your first trip to Italy. If you wanted to do something outside of the big three, there's also Naples -- I've never been but my wife has and thought it was great. (Pompeii would be the main point of interest near there for someone interested in the Romans.) I don't think I would try to do all four cities in one 7-10 day trip though. Pick two or three, depending on how rushed you want to be. Honestly I would probably just recommend the big three of Rome/Florence/Venice, but it's tough to go wrong with any choices.
 

IgorFL

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Assisi. Visit.

Also, I would recommend Verona and Siena highly. Rome and Pisa can be downright disgusting during the summer months, as they are overrun with tourists.
 

keird

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Vieste.

I was there last year at Hotel Seggio

Ask for the room with the balcony/deck with a view of the Adriatic. And feed the fvcking cats in the square!
 

brandonbull

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I just returned from my 2 week honeymoon. Avoid Venice. It's expensive, crowded, and not worth the money. I enjoyed Rome, Florence, and the Cortona area in Southern Tuscany.

 

Jawo

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I went in June 2006 when I graduated from college (my first and only time)....I did a tour from Contiki, which was a little pricey, but it enabled me to see more (always time or money). I really enjoyed the tour, although you can spend a week in the greater Rome area and still not see everything there is to see. Definitively spend a day on Capri its beautiful...and the blue grotto is VERY overrated and expensive. Naples is an industrial town...nothing much to see. Pompeii is very cool and has many miles of roads you can walk on. Pisa is a tourist trap, but you get to see the leaning tower. If you like to hike spend some time in the Cinque Terre, its very beautiful and you can hike between the 5 towns. Milan and Florence are cool, but I wish I could have gone to Bologna to see the Ferrari and Lamborghini factories. Venice is so-so and VERY easy to get lost in since there are not "main" streets...its also VERY expensive.

Best advice....don't sit down at a restaurant unless you want to pay lots more the Paneo e coppo (bread and water charge) can be >$10! There's lots of grocery stores...go there and get the 1.5L bottled water...its actual mineral water and its so much cheaper (like 50 euro cents). Try the Itallian sodas as well...like orangina, but better
 

Spineshank

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Originally posted by: Ballatician
Great idea, I second going May 4 so you can beat the crowds. However, expect it to be quite hot nonetheless.

I always think its good to get the touristy things out of the way on a first trip and you can really do a lot in 7-10 days with the right planning. Geographically, plan it north to south or south to north. Don't spend more than 2 days in any city.

Think about something like Venice, Florence (Pisa), Sorrento (Pompei), Rome (Vatican) if you want to see a lot of things. If you want to explore Rome in particular then obviously spend more time there. Keep us updated so I can live vicariously through you.

I was in Sicily, end of May last year and it was like 70-75 out every day.
 

nerp

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My family owns a villa near Arezzo in Tuscany. The best times to go are late spring/early summer or around harvest time in Oct/Nov.

Just eat the food and enjoy the culture. Venice is nice but that should be a seperate trip. I'd suggest checking out Rome and Florence and wandering around the villages in Tuscany to start.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Jawo
I went in June 2006 when I graduated from college (my first and only time)....I did a tour from Contiki, which was a little pricey, but it enabled me to see more (always time or money). I really enjoyed the tour, although you can spend a week in the greater Rome area and still not see everything there is to see. Definitively spend a day on Capri its beautiful...and the blue grotto is VERY overrated and expensive. Naples is an industrial town...nothing much to see. Pompeii is very cool and has many miles of roads you can walk on. Pisa is a tourist trap, but you get to see the leaning tower. If you like to hike spend some time in the Cinque Terre, its very beautiful and you can hike between the 5 towns. Milan and Florence are cool, but I wish I could have gone to Bologna to see the Ferrari and Lamborghini factories. Venice is so-so and VERY easy to get lost in since there are not "main" streets...its also VERY expensive.

Best advice....don't sit down at a restaurant unless you want to pay lots more the Paneo e coppo (bread and water charge) can be >$10! There's lots of grocery stores...go there and get the 1.5L bottled water...its actual mineral water and its so much cheaper (like 50 euro cents). Try the Itallian sodas as well...like orangina, but better
Good advice there, Jawo.

I went to Italy in March of this year. The weather was wonderful compared to the weather at home, but a bit cool. May would have been perfect weather. I would go in May next time I go. I was in the central/west coast region so I can't comment on other areas.

Rome: definately worth going. If you don't spend at least 4 days there, you'll miss a lot.

Florence: nice churches, some nice museums, but I really wasn't thrilled. The Uffizi is so overrated, but if you want to see it you MUST buy tickets the day before or you'll be there in line for 4+ hours.

Pisa: I skipped. There just isn't much to see other than the one well-known tourist trap.

Bologna: I wasn't there, but my fiancee did spend a week there for work. The food is the best in the country and well worth going just for the food alone. Even if you don't like wine, get some house wine. I guess the wine advice is true for most of Italy though.

Naples: I passed through it. Dirty, industrial, people tried ripping me off, and my fiancee got food poisoning there. Now, I really didn't do any sightseeing, but I couldn't think of much to do there either.

Pompeii: Pompeii is a ~30 minute aboveground subway ride from Naples. If you are in the area, pompeii (or nearby herculaneum) is fairly interesting. You'll be a bit disappointed that you don't actually see the bodies (they've been moved to the one interesting museum in Naples). But it was interesting seeing the building remnants and imagining their lives. Pompeii is a town of 20,000 people and thus is quite large. Spend at least 4 hours there and it closes at 5 pm. So that means you have to dedicate most of the daytime for it.

Amalfi coast: This is just south of Naples and is the most beautiful place I've been (I've been on 3 continents and in almost all US states). Do a google image search for Positano to see for yourself. The island of Capri is right there, and while I didn't go, it looks quite wonderful. Take the bus ride down to Amalfi and back. Even if you don't do anything, that cliff ride alone is worth a trip to Italy. It was so beautiful with black sand beaches, mist rolling down the cliffs, houses built right on top of each other into the cliffside, etc. I got engaged there specifically for the beauty. Parts of the Amalfi coast are on the same metro line as Pompeii, the rest are by bus, and maybe a train reaches the southern end, but I'm not certain. Not everyone will like this area, especially if you are going with a bunch of guys. There aren't that many activities for manly men (and the activities there are overrated like the blue or green grotto). You go here if you like scenery.

Cinque Terre: This is a more well known version of the Amalfi coast and is located o nthe north west coast of Italy. It is a set of five small towns nearby on the coast. Most people like it, but it just pales in comparison to the Amalfi coast in my opinion.

I took the train, bus, and metro everywhere. It was fairly easy to get around EXCEPT for naples. Even Italians have trouble understanding the Naples train station. If you are going to Europe, you really need 10+ days to feel like it was worth it. If I were you, I'd really try for 2 weeks. If that is impossible, take the 10 days. Remember, 2 days will be lost to travel, and probably 1 more day due to jet lag for at least one person in the group. So, if you had 7 days, 3 are already gone.

Expect to spend at least $2k each depending on the activities and how expensive your tastes are in your hotels (I wouldn't be surprised to spend $3k for a 7-10 day trip). Food will run $50/day minimum if you eat in restaurants. $100+ a day on food is easilly doable if you get all the courses. Just skip the second main dish, they are small and very pricey ($20+ for a few ounces of meat). Most hotels will be in the $100+ per night range. Flight will be around $1000. Train trips will be $20-$100 each. Activities vary widely from $10-$100 for most tickets that I saw.

Stay in the city centers. Then you can walk everywhere. For example, if you are within a few blocks of the main train station in most Italian cities, then the hotel price isn't too bad and you can walk to 90+% of the sites that you want to see. Taxi rides are very, very expensive. Land in Rome and take the train (attached to the Rome airport) to the Rome city center.
 

rasczak

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Originally posted by: Kazaam
Ok, so I am planning a trip to Italy after school ends. I want to take two other people with me. What time would be the best to go? School ends in May (4th or so) and starts back up in September (2-3rd)...so I plan on going then.

Anyone have advice on where to visit? How to get from place to place? Where to stay (can't have a super expensive place)? Typical cost of trip per person? Length of stay (planning 7-10 days)?

As you can see, I have no idea what I am doing. I am really into Roman history (big reason I want to go). Help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

if you are really into roman history, your first stop is Rome. I really had fun with my wife in florence and venice as well. We wanted to see Pisa and Milan, but we just didn't have the time, we only had one month to see Europe then I had to go back to work.
 

ManBearPig

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WOW! Thanks for all the information guys...I didn't expect this much info. It definitely helps a lot. I have a while to plan this out, so I hope I can get everything organized by the time we go. I was thinking we'd go see Greece too at first...seems like that'll be a separate trip.

Dullard, your post was really informative, thanks man. $2-3K :Q I was expecting more like $1-1.5K. Jease...time to save up I guess. Anyone have any other length/price experience?

Thanks a ton guys.
 

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Originally posted by: Kazaam
WOW! Thanks for all the information guys...I didn't expect this much info. It definitely helps a lot. I have a while to plan this out, so I hope I can get everything organized by the time we go. I was thinking we'd go see Greece too at first...seems like that'll be a separate trip.

Dullard, your post was really informative, thanks man. $2-3K :Q I was expecting more like $1-1.5K. Jease...time to save up I guess. Anyone have any other length/price experience?

Thanks a ton guys.

When Euro-travelling newbies put together an itinerary, they often allot just 1-2 days per city. Experienced Euro travellers usually recommend spending 3-4 nights at minimum in any city of significance in order to really get a feel for the place. The best experiences often come unexpected at a hole-in-the-wall restaurant or an off-the-beaten-path location that you would've never had time to experience if you only have time to check out the 2 most prominent things in your guidebook. Newbies often counter with something like, "Well, I don't have too much time and I want to see as much as possible."

Ideally, yes, it would be nice to more fully explore and absorb your destinations. And yes, time constraints are real concerns. However, I think there's a practical element to this suggestion (taking 3-4 days/city) that backpackers often overlook: the time and energy expended in travelling. If you're spending just 1 night/2 days in a city, that probably means that you'll only have a handful of hours to actually "vacation". That 3-hour train ride from Rome to Florence becomes a near full-day affair when you factor in packing, checking out, getting to the train station, getting to your next accomodations, checking in, unpacking, grabbing a coffee/nap to recharge, etc. And if you find yourself leaving the following morning for Venice, did you really just see Florence, or did you stumble through it like a zombie?

Right, on to more concrete advice.

Definitely go in May rather than June-Aug. If you're interested in Roman history and have 10 days max, Rome and Pompeii should be definites. Save Venice for another trip. I'd spend your time something like this:

Rome - 4 days (maybe pop out of town for a day trip)
Pompeii/Amalfi/Capri - 2 days (stay in Pompeii or Sorrento and take the Cirumvesuviano and buses around)
Florence - 3 days (maybe pop out of town for a day trip)

Take trains between your destinations. Single tickets will probably be cheaper than a Eurail pass. Stay in hostels. Book those hostels at www.hostelworld.com, choosing the top rated ones (probably obvious, but i've found that the right place to stay can greatly influence my experience as a whole). Who knows where the USD/EUR will be next May, but at current rates you'll probably spend $1,200-$1,500 per week by staying in hostels and spending wisely, though not pinching pennies.
 

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Goddamn, I can't wait to get my ass back to Italy after re-reading this thread.
 

Jawo

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Originally posted by: Kazaam
WOW! Thanks for all the information guys...I didn't expect this much info. It definitely helps a lot. I have a while to plan this out, so I hope I can get everything organized by the time we go. I was thinking we'd go see Greece too at first...seems like that'll be a separate trip.

Dullard, your post was really informative, thanks man. $2-3K :Q I was expecting more like $1-1.5K. Jease...time to save up I guess. Anyone have any other length/price experience?

Thanks a ton guys.

My trip was about $4k when it was all said and done...15 days and we traveled by tour bus. You can click on the link to see approx what my tour was like, but I agree with Davestar, that 2 days is not nearly enough time in any city. I spent 3.5 days in Rome and it wasn't nearly enough! There is so much to see and do....even without visiting any museums!
 
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