Anyone buying a Titan?

[BoFox]

If it does drop to say, $800, I wouldn't expect it to stay there long. It'd most likely drop more than that, to say, $700 pretty quickly after dropping to $800. That's just how these kinds of lofty-priced drops go, like with CPUs.

But it might be a long while from now before there are any drops at all. NV might just replace it with a full 15-SMX version of Titan "Ultra", to maintain the $999 level.

 

[cmdrdredd]

In due time a $500 card will match or better it. That's a given, but at this time...it's pretty unique.

 

[Majcric]

If it does drop to say, $800, I wouldn't expect it to stay there long. It'd most likely drop more than that, to say, $700 pretty quickly after dropping to $800. That's just how these kinds of lofty-priced drops go, like with CPUs.

But it might be a long while from now before there are any drops at all. NV might just replace it with a full 15-SMX version of Titan "Ultra", to maintain the $999 level.

I don't know, but I hope you're right. But when looking at the GTX690 and even the GTX 680 they haven't dropped a lot with the exception of maybe a game bundle. Just look at how long the GTX 580 held it price. Historicially, Nvidia hasn't done much price dropping until the hardware is starting to become obsolete and has lost its novelty appeal. Nonetheless, by the time Titan reaches a reasonable price Maxwell will probably be here with similiar or better performance at a much more reasonable price. I'm thinking the successor to the GK104

 

[AdamK47]

For me to get an actual upgrade over two 690s I'd have to get at least three Titans. We'll see.

 

[cmdrdredd]

For me to get an actual upgrade over two 690s I'd have to get at least three Titans. We'll see.

Yeah that is a problem but I don't think you are the target for this card. Actually I think this card is a glimpse into what may come next for gpus except the next ones will be cheaper to produce.

 

[Lepton87]

Before the GF Titan launched there were some very good deals on GTX690 in my country, 25% off, I really wanted to buy one at that time but didn't have any free change in my pocket, now that the titan launched those deals are gone People very expecting way more from the Titan then they got. I'm not disappointed in GK110 performance, only in the actual reference card, nothing that a voltage unlocked MSI lighting version of GK110 couldn't fix, alas we won't get one and are stuck with this crappy reference design

 

[n0x1ous]

crappy reference design

Really? Seems like the nicest reference design that's ever been released by either side. Price aside, the only thing you can fault on the reference design is the capped voltage @ 1.2. But certainly the reference design and cooler are top notch quality.

 

[Lepton87]

Really? Seems like the nicest reference design that's ever been released by either side. Price aside, the only thing you can fault on the reference design is the capped voltage @ 1.2. But certainly the reference design and cooler are top notch quality.

nicest? Have you ever seen a good PCB? Here you go:

20 power phases, titan has 6

Those are good PCBs, Titan's PCB is a JOKE! I don't care that the card has some aluminum alloy and plexiglass.

 

[notty22]

Here come the armchair EE's. More cores now more phases.

 

[Deltaechoe]

Well, finally snagged a preorder for the ASUS model and now I have every intention of overclocking this to try to at least match 670s in SLI (being realistic)

 

[Lepton87]

Here's titan's PCB for comparison.

How can anyone honestly say it's a good robust PCB worthy of a 1000$ price tag?

All you need to do to OC ASUS MATRIX/MSI LIGHTNING to the max is to cool them properly, in titan's case you need to solder additional power circuitry, not to mention get a special BIOS that's not available to the public.

If it was a good PCB you wouldn't need to do all of that. PERIOD.

Here come the armchair EE's. More cores now more phases.

What did you want to say? It seems all you wanted to do is belittle me by somehow comparing the number of cores to the number of phases and insinuate that's all that matters to me because you had nothing to say pertaining the subject at hand.

 

[n0x1ous]

nicest? Have you ever seen a good PCB? Here you go:

20 power phases, titan has 6

Those are good PCBs, Titan's PCB is a JOKE! I don't care that the card has some aluminum alloy and plexiglass.

Yeah i have. I didnt say it was the nicest ever, i said nicest reference. Your words were crappy "reference". That includes the quality of the cooler and fan as well. Way to cherry pick..

 

[notty22]

Yeah i have. I didnt say it was the nicest ever, i said nicest reference. Your words were crappy "reference". That includes the quality of the cooler and fan as well. Way to cherry pick..

And the PCB, which the GTX 690 used a 10-layer 2oz copper PCB provides high-efficiency power delivery with less resistance. I'd wager similar was used on the Titan.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Really should any corners have been cut at all for 1k? Crazy that you guys defend this crap.

 

[f1sherman]

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20 power phases, titan has 6

Those are good PCBs, Titan's PCB is a JOKE! I don't care that the card has some aluminum alloy and plexiglass.

16+4, Titan is 6+2 l2 count

tantalum capacitors baby

 

[n0x1ous]

Really should any corners have been cut at all for 1k? Crazy that you guys defend this crap.

of course you would bring the price into it. is it possible to discuss the hardware of titan without mentioning price? Its a terrible gaming price/performance value, we have all established that a millions times!

All I was talking about was the reference design vs other reference designs. Neither side uses MSI lightning type power phases, vrms on reference designs.

Straight up reference design vs other reference cards, when taking into account PCB, Cooler, build quality, fan - I would say that the Titan's complete reference design is unmatched.

 

[Lepton87]

Comparing Titan's PCB to non-reference PCBs is only fair because NV won't allow non-reference GK110 cards on the market, that underwhelming PCB is all we are going to get. That's why I made that comparison. For 1K USD single GPU card I expect only the best, I won't settle for a mediocre PCB. No need to act like douche-bags because someone has high expectations for a product that costs that much. If you are fine with all the cost-cutting measures NV took for a 1K USD card, then go ahead and buy it, but it doesn't mean that what I said is invalid. It's a mystery to me why some guys get so defensive about some company's product.

 

[n0x1ous]

Comparing Titan's PCB to non-reference PCBs is only fair because NV won't allow non-reference GK110 cards on the market, that underwhelming PCB is all we are going to get. That's why I made that comparison. For 1K USD single GPU card I expect only the best, I won't settle for a mediocre PCB. No need to act like douche-bags because someone has high expectations for a product that costs that much. If you are fine with all the cost-cutting measures NV took for a 1K USD card, then go ahead and buy it, but it doesn't mean that what I said is invalid. It's a mystery to me why some guys get so defensive about some company's product.

Not defending anyones products or calling anyone names like you seem to need to resort to. Just talking about the reference design only. I already said its a terrible value.

Of course there are better aftermarket PCB. Doesnt mean the reference design is bad in and of itself. For the money yes, but not inherently and especially not compared to other reference designs.

Anyway....there are some rumblings about MSI making a twin frozr for it...

http://videocardz.com/39939/msi-preparing-geforce-gtx-titan-with-twinfrozr-cooling

 

[Lepton87]

Not defending anyones products or calling anyone names. Just talking about the reference design only. I already said its a terrible value.

Of course there are better aftermarket PCB. Doesnt mean the reference design is bad in and of itself. For the money yes, but not inherently and especially not compared to other reference designs.

Yes, it is disappointing even compared to other reference designs. You can change the voltages on reference 7970/GTX480/GTX580/6970/5870. GTX590 set a very bad precedent for nv reference designs, and IMHO in consequence GTX680 was voltage-locked The cooler is very good and the card looks awesome but that's hardly relevant.

ps. the comment about acting like a douche was not directed at you.

BTW. It's not really fair to judge 500$ cards with the same stick as a 1000$, is it?

 

[n0x1ous]

Yes, it is disappointing even compared to other reference designs. You can change the voltages on reference 7970/GTX480/GTX580/6970/5870. GTX590 set a very bad precedent for nv reference designs, and IMHO in consequence GTX680 was voltage-locked The cooler is very good and the card looks awesome but that's hardly relevant.

ps. the comment about acting like a douche was not directed at you.

You can change the voltage on Titan, just not very much. How is a cooler hardly relevant? How a card is cooled and its acoustics is certainly relevant; not most important, but relevant.

Speaking of the 7970....certainly a lot of supposedly reference models from XFX and others showing up voltage locked unlike at launch. Seems like this isn't an Nvidia only issue at this point.

EDIT AFTER YOUR UPDATE: thanks for clarifying and no its not fair to compare 500 vs 1000 cards at all, but thats what were left with to a degree as there isnt many 1k cards to compare too!

I am ready for an upgrade and briefly considered Titan, but am holding out for Kepler refresh which i expect i'll be able to get better value out of.

 

[Lepton87]

You can change the voltage on Titan, just not very much. How is a cooler hardly relevant? How a card is cooled and its acoustics is certainly relevant; not most important, but relevant.

Speaking of the 7970....certainly a lot of supposedly reference models from XFX and others showing up voltage locked unlike at launch. Seems like this isn't an Nvidia only issue at this point.

EDIT AFTER YOUR UPDATE: thanks for clarifying and no its not fair to compare 500 vs 1000 cards at all, but thats what were left with to a degree as there isnt many 1k cards to compare too!

I am ready for an upgrade and briefly considered Titan, but am holding out for Kepler refresh.

I didn't mean that the cooler was irrelevant, it was about the card looking awesome. Before titan's launch I also briefly considered getting it, but that was with the 899$ rumored price-tag. I thought it would be 40% faster at stock then GTX680 and that it had at least 30% OC headroom. Unfortunately it didn't live up to my expectations. I'm tired of M-GPUs, at least AMD's version of it. It's really annoying playing games on only 1/4th of your hardware.

 

[n0x1ous]

I didn't mean that the cooler was irrelevant, it was about the card looking awesome.

Ah...yes, that would be irrelevant, agreed. Although, probably a factor for the boutique pre-made type buyer which was one of their targets for this apparently.

Im hoping for a 400mm 8970 to bring prices back to earth on the green side.

 

[Lepton87]

Ah...yes, that would be irrelevant, agreed. Although, probably a factor for the boutique pre-made type buyer which was one of their targets for this apparently.

Im hoping for a 400mm 8970 to bring prices back to earth on the green side.

They made it clear that pre-made Tri-SLI boutique computers/SFF single titan computers for rich people was their main demographics with this card, not computer enthusiasts I have no doubt that financially that was the best decision. Those buyers don't care about very robust PCBs, full voltage control etc. Saving 50-75$ on each card must have been better for their bottom line then loosing a few sales to picky potential customers like me. As for 400mm2 GCN1.0/GCN2.0 on 28nm sadly I don't think it's going to happen. AMD said that 7970GHz edition is going to remain their fastest card for the whole of 2013. They should focus on mobile, that's where they're the weakest. On desktops even if they have the best cards they still loose sales to NV. It just goes to show that marketing is more important then products.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Waiting for Titan like performance at $500 before i upgrade my 7850,having had a single gtx670 before i gifted it to a family member,the higher end cards just aren't thrilling enough and with nvidia price gouging,i am considering ditching the green team for any future gpu purchases after 7 years of being a loyal customer.

If i had unlimited funds perhaps i would buy a Titan,simply cause i don't care for sli and the extra noise and heat it offers assuming you went with dual 7970s or gtx670s over the Titan and just cause its just freaking awesome as a single gpu option.

 

[Lepton87]

Waiting for Titan like performance at $500 before i upgrade my 7850,having had a single gtx670 before i gifted it to a family member,the higher end cards just aren't thrilling enough and with nvidia price gouging,i am considering ditching the green team for any future gpu purchases after 7 years of being a loyal customer.

If i had unlimited funds perhaps i would buy a Titan,simply cause i don't care for sli and the extra noise and heat it offers assuming you went with dual 7970s or gtx670s over the Titan and just cause its just freaking awesome as a single gpu option.

If you don't mind OC you can match a stock Titan with an OCed Asus Matrix 7970. I'd like to see some tests comparing a titan to 7970 at 1350MHz/1.65GHz

The only game I found benchmarked at equal settings. The cards from Asus Matrix review are using older drivers that's why GTX680 gets slightly lower fps.