Anyone buying a Titan?

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moonbogg

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Knowing that these cards will lose $800 in value over the next 18-24 months is a tough pill to swallow.

Exactly this. If they weren't going to be absolute useless garbage in two years, then I might consider sucking it up and throwing down for a couple of them in the near future. But I can't possibly stomach the loss of value that they will incur. This is just way too much.

NO BUY.
 

SolMiester

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If amd is able to get the memory management fix right among other driver enhancements to the tune of an additional 15% or so, then an overclocked 7970 at 1200-1250mhz will be unnoticeable different in performance from an overclocked Titan in 80%+ games and with amd leading by say 5% in nearly half of them.

Oh please, 7970 is a great card, but AMD will have enough on their plate fixing the frame issues without trying to get an additional 15% performance out of it....
 

SolMiester

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They have done much more than 15% since release and the next big jump is realistically expected at 10-15% anyway. So even if it turns out 10%, it would be so close to the Titan once heavily oced that in most cases you would only be able to bench the difference, say sub 15% avg.

You do realise driver improvements are not infinite dont you?
 

Deltaechoe

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They have done much more than 15% since release and the next big jump is realistically expected at 10-15% anyway. So even if it turns out 10%, it would be so close to the Titan once heavily oced that in most cases you would only be able to bench the difference, say sub 15% avg.

Cough cough diminishing returns cough cough
 

ctsoth

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I hope that AMD is able to get even more performance out of the 7xxx series cards through a memory rewrite and other driver changes. I think nVidia would charge less for the titan, but I think chances are these are cards that due to quality concerns never made it into various super computers, and so were validated for desktop/consumer use.

I mean, everyone knows nvidia has been having yield issues, we can't expect the supply of these cards to be infinite at a good price. I believe the price though is just two high. The performance really isn't good enough to justify $1000.00 though. Think about it, you buy this card, and you decide later that you want to get another and run them in sli.... what if they are cleared from that channel by that point? And another reality is, the value proposition at $1000.00 is terrible. If this product was cheaper I would seriously consider 2x of them for my next system, but I think the market will be better served in q4 2013-q1 2014. The Titan strikes me as, I want it and I want it now performance, for people who really have a lot of money to sink....
 

rgallant

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Exactly this. If they weren't going to be absolute useless garbage in two years, then I might consider sucking it up and throwing down for a couple of them in the near future. But I can't possibly stomach the loss of value that they will incur. This is just way too much.

NO BUY.
this shares my view on the titan release and I only have 580sli.
-one titan buy's no game advantage @ 1440 IMO

-2 buy's huge a increase in benches but , cost 1050 x 2=2100
block's =300ish
tax @ 13% total = $ 2712.00 for the same game play with today's game ports offering's
hahahahahahahahaha pass on it , gpu's are only tools to render game's for me.

- yea vram will bite me at some point , but really on my monitor and my eye's I can't really see a big down side with some lower settings at this point in time.
-when that day comes when it bothers me I 'll upgrade , but today in 3dmark 11 , I can still pull P12700 with a 7/24 gaming profile @ 900 mhz and at below 40c.
 
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Annisman*

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It's official, just pre-ordered an Asus Titan from the Egg. I had no idea you could pre-order these things ? Pretty cool if you ask me, saves me hours of spamming F5.


This thread is afterall about people buying Titans right.... ?
 

Cookie Monster

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Amazing achievement? They charge 1k USD and yet they skimp on power circuitry and block overclocking. Luxury product my ass.

I can tell you that each of the phases in Titans VRM circuitry can handle up to 50As, equating into something along the lines of ~60W per phase i.e. a total power capability of ~360Ws well enough to handle heavy duty loads.

edit - and yeah I might buy it on my next paycheck.
 
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YBS1

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This thread is afterall about people buying Titans right.... ?
Well...so far I think you're the only confirmed one unless I missed a post in here somewhere. I pretty much had myself talked into a pair of them as of yesterday. They missed the mark though for me, either too high of a price or less performance increase than I was expecting, combination of both I suppose. There is no doubt the card is impressive judged on it's own merits, it's just not $1000 (or $2000 in my case) dollars impressive IMO. Enjoy.
 

Annisman*

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Well...so far I think you're the only confirmed one unless I missed a post in here somewhere. I pretty much had myself talked into a pair of them as of yesterday. They missed the mark though for me, either too high of a price or less performance increase than I was expecting, combination of both I suppose. There is no doubt the card is impressive judged on it's own merits, it's just not $1000 (or $2000 in my case) dollars impressive IMO. Enjoy.

Thanks, I'm only buying it because I'm sick of multi-gpu nonsense, I will most likely be taking an overall 5-15% decrease in actual fps.
 

Annisman*

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And to clarify, I pre-ordered from newegg, and from what I understand it could ship alot later than some other outlets.
 

blackened23

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Thanks, I'm only buying it because I'm sick of multi-gpu nonsense, I will most likely be taking an overall 5-15% decrease in actual fps.

What multi GPU headaches? If tomshardware and PCPer are to be believed, apparently SLI has better frame latency / microstutter than a single card. So you're losing out on frametimes with the titan. Let it be known that SLI microstutter doesn't exist. Single GPU microstutter does.



And before you say cherry picking, every single benchmark shows GTX 690 with better microstutter results than GTX 680.

I guess those with SLI 680s or 670s made the smart choice (and opted to NOT get titan) made the smart choice to stick with smoother gaming. I personally wouldn't want the single GPU microstutter. Remember : frame times are the flawless performance metric. Do not question it.
 
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Ferzerp

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Tom's does not present that data in a useful format at all. the difference between frames is hard to digest, and 1 frame out of every 30 could be *awful* which would look horrible, but would not appear in that graph at all.
 

blackened23

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Tom's does not present that data in a useful format at all. the difference between frames is hard to digest, and 1 frame out of every 30 could be *awful* which would look horrible, but would not appear in that graph at all.

That could be the case. I'm trying to make sense of something that absolutely does not make sense.

This should not happen. Yet according to quite a few web reviews, SLI has less microstutter than single GPU. I'm anxiously awaiting for anyone to explain this because it is not possible, period. Either the test is flawed or the method of testing needs to be refined.
 

Ferzerp

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That graph doesn't show the presence of, or lack of microstutter. The data presented is near useless in that format, and is missing key information to give it context and meaning.

edit: basically, any of those 4 graphs could correspond to data for wonderfully smooth video, or a stuttering useless mess. It is meaningless as is.
 
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SolMiester

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I hope that AMD is able to get even more performance out of the 7xxx series cards through a memory rewrite and other driver changes. I think nVidia would charge less for the titan, but I think chances are these are cards that due to quality concerns never made it into various super computers, and so were validated for desktop/consumer use.

I mean, everyone knows nvidia has been having yield issues, we can't expect the supply of these cards to be infinite at a good price. I believe the price though is just two high. The performance really isn't good enough to justify $1000.00 though. Think about it, you buy this card, and you decide later that you want to get another and run them in sli.... what if they are cleared from that channel by that point? And another reality is, the value proposition at $1000.00 is terrible. If this product was cheaper I would seriously consider 2x of them for my next system, but I think the market will be better served in q4 2013-q1 2014. The Titan strikes me as, I want it and I want it now performance, for people who really have a lot of money to sink....

Surely you would only need 2 for multi monitors, 1600p will be covered for a good year or two with 1 of these....you could then use it for physics!...../joke
 

Annisman*

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That could be the case. I'm trying to make sense of something that absolutely does not make sense.

This should not happen. Yet according to quite a few web reviews, SLI has less microstutter than single GPU. I'm anxiously awaiting for anyone to explain this because it is not possible, period. Either the test is flawed or the method of testing needs to be refined.

HardwareCanucks review shows an entirely different picture, it shows GTX 690 with poor stutter, and even 7970 with lots of stutter in certain games, which correlates perfectly to what alot of people have been saying all along, that there is something wrong internally with AMD's drivers.

Titan on the other hand has the least deviance between those three cards. I choose to believe that a single gpu will have far less complications that multi, nothing else makes sense.
 

SolMiester

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What multi GPU headaches? If tomshardware and PCPer are to be believed, apparently SLI has better frame latency / microstutter than a single card. So you're losing out on frametimes with the titan. Let it be known that SLI microstutter doesn't exist. Single GPU microstutter does.



And before you say cherry picking, every single benchmark shows GTX 690 with better microstutter results than GTX 680.

I guess those with SLI 680s or 670s made the smart choice (and opted to NOT get titan) made the smart choice to stick with smoother gaming. I personally wouldn't want the single GPU microstutter. Remember : frame times are the flawless performance metric. Do not question it.

I don't understand the charts either regarding SLI v sGPU, but hope the sarcasm doesn't bite you back
 

blackened23

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I don't understand the charts either regarding SLI v sGPU, but hope the sarcasm doesn't bite you back

I went overboard on the sarcasm, I admit. I won't be doing that again. However, I definitely would like a feasible explanation of what's going on though - if SLI really is better than single GPU, hey great. I made the right choice.

Maybe toms and pcper just screwed the testing method up. I have no idea. Again: just a reasonable and logical explanation to put the chips in their place. What's going on?
 
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Annisman*

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All I know is that when I'm getting >70 fps in Crysis 3, and it's a stuttering mess, I'll try anything to get that issue fixed.
 

OCGuy

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EVGA has at least 4 SKUs showing already....one will most certainly be mine.

 
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