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BoFox

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(Hint: FRAPs almost never reports frametimes below 5ms in the case of severe microstuttering... which BTW could very well be "0ms skipped" frames, but Toms is saying that it's not as bad as FRAPs makes it sound in this case.. which could alternately easily be otherwise in other cases).
 
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Meghan54

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look who's up early! Nice to see ya


LOL! I'm up every night......I'm a vampire. Sleep in the afternoons (more catnap), up by midnight. Sucks to have worked on night shifts for over 20 years....sorta gets ingrained into you after a while.
 

RussianSensation

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Why did you insist on avoiding any and all issues when it comes to AMD?

What are you talking about? I didn't deny that AMD had MS issues when TR did their review. My main point was that HD7970Ghz had less stutter than GTX680 in their summer 2012 review and people made it sound as if AMD's drivers were perma-broken for years and years. Also, you never personally asked me if I had stutter issues in certain games on the 7970. If you did, I wouldn't have denied them. I didn't go out of my way to talk about stuttering issues I had with the 470s either. No one asked me to comment on them.

Avoiding the fact that they're counting extra frames, avoiding the fact that the frame distribution is awful and MS is quite common?

You are still ignoring that I included GTX680 SLI in my post as well when comparing it to the Titan? I think you missed the general point here. Many people have used SLI and CF for years. We know both have certain advantages and disadvantages over single card. Some like it, some don't.

Why are you avoiding these subjects like the plague? Why have you never once said you experienced stutter on your 7970?

No one asked me directly and I rarely post in the PC Gaming section. If you asked me, I would have told you. You don't see to have this issue with any other PC gamers that happen to own an AMD card but don't specifically go out of their way to comment why they don't disclose issues with their cards 24/7. Both AMD and NV cards have issues. Should I list you all the issues I have with every new card I own? Really now? :hmm:

Why do you take out full page ads for AMD products? Are you employed by AMD RS? Do you get kickbacks from AMD RS?

Oh it must be, then I am employed at both AMD's and NV's marketing simultaneously. :ninja:

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You came back and it took you just days before you reverted to ABT style trolling and dropping lines of people being AMD viral marketers. You guys must be really bored thinking anyone that recommends cards on price/performance, overclocking and better game bundles is automatically from AMD's Viral Marketing team. I guess I was on NV's payroll when I recommended GeForce Ti 4200, 6800GT, 8800GT, 7950GT, GTX460/470s, etc. Keep spinning Balla.

Are you hoping through your work here something like the aforementioned situations could happen?

My work here? I wasn't aware I had 2 full time jobs Balla. If my posts bother you so much, just put me on ignore. Don't worry, I'll have a lot less time to post in a week as I got promoted at my real job and won't have much time posting.

Are you hoping through your work here something like the aforementioned situations could happen? Why is it you never play games, just post on forums and bitcoin, yet recommend solutions for gaming that stutters up and down the tests? What's really going on RS?

Who said I don't play games? Also, I commented on the Titan's price/performance in relation to NV setups as well in demanding games like Crysis 3.

You know, my 470s could hit 580 speeds, does that mean everything between my $40 470 and the $500 580 were overpriced and crappy? :hmm:

You are not comparing apples-to-apples. I am talking about retail prices of 7970/680 vs. the Titan. You are talking about one time deals on 470s in the used market against new 580s. Your comparison doesn't even make sense. Also, I am not even comparing some outrageous overclocks. Asus Matrix 7970 hits 1300mhz. Most 7970s can hit 1150-1200mhz. Those are not imaginary overclocks but are fairly normal for those cards. GTX470 hitting 580 speeds is probably <1% of all 470 owners.

Just like the 560 Ti was just 38~ percent slower than the 580, it's classic mid-range vs high end.. 100% markup vs 100% markup, what's the problem, you already paid a huge markup for your mid-range 7970...

Yes except the 560Ti was $249 and the 580 was $499, or a $250 difference. The mark-up here is from a larger base of $499 for a card that's been available for nearly a year. GTX560Ti didn't come out 1 year after the 580. Also, the GTX680's price of $499 is MSRP but you can now get that level of perseverance in 1Ghz 7970s for just $380-430. Why do you keep using the 680's MSRP to justify the Titan's mark-up and ignore that it's been more than 12 months since the 7970 came out and nearly 12 months since the 680 came out?

You might want to rethink that if you expect AMD to send you stuff.

:sneaky: If AMD sends me free stuff, why do I keep buying Intel CPUs and NV GPUs?

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Ok :thumbsup:
Just like end of the line was 770Mhz for 470s and 1125 for the 7970...

I don't know what your point is. I listed reasonable overclocks for the 7970 and commented already that at Computerbase, even an overclock Titan was less than 40% faster than a stock 7970 Ghz. That means a mildly overclocked 1150mhz 7970 will only be ~30% behind.

Yep it's overpriced, but all cards are. Mid-range came with a 100% markup, you bought one...

Spinning again? I said from the beginning that HD7970 was overpriced but bitcoin mining made that irrelevant. If the Titan could make $ mining, I'd pick one up. Since it can't I'd have to spend $1K out of my own pocket to play mostly 2013 console ports. I don't deem that worth it. That's all. You don't have to agree.

High end comes with a 100% markup and you cry? Come on...

I am not going to retype the math again, but as I said NV charged a much lower premium for 280/480/580 for each 1% increase in performance over AMD cards. With the Titan, it's the most overpriced card they've released in more than half a decade. $1000 for a card that's less than 40% faster than a $380 one. That's the worst mark-up I've seen in a long time.

lol it's almost as fast as the 690 with a modest overclock on reference air, and you find reason to complain when it comes down to it in SP it's playable (Titan) vs unplayable (7970GHz). That's worth money buddy :awe:

It's barely faster than 7970Ghz in that game to make a difference. Both are well under 50 fps. If you are paying $1K to max out Crysis 3, the Titan cannot do this.

You sound like a salesman, AMD can do no wrong, you ignore every problem they have and continue on like you have a deadline to get your marketing "Keywords" of the day quota in.

Next time NV offers superior price/performance and overclocking, my guess is you won't say a single negative thing about me promoting those qualities? Or will you accuse me to getting a job at NV then/ :hmm:

It's either blind bias caused by overspending for mid-range, or you're getting something...

Coming from a guy who trolled the forum for months regarding GTX470 Tri-SLI beating HD7970 and now not a peep about GTX670 SLI delivering Titan's performance for $350 less or how HD7950 OC is less than 10% slower than a GTX680 OC for $170 less. I am consistent in overclocking and price/performance. You seem to pick and choose w/e way things swing in favour of NV. Why aren't you ripping the Titan apart when GTX660Ti SLI beat it in the NCIX review? You aren't consistent and yet you call me biased.
 

SexyK

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Debating just adding another 680 vs. picking up a Titan. Obviously 680 SLI will be faster on paper, but my last setup was 6870 xfire and the dual GPU issues were pretty off-putting, not to mention the noise and power draw. Titan seems like a nice bump over a single 680 without any of the headaches, but I'm open to the 680 SLI option if everyone says it's a no-brainer.

Edit: Running 1440p in case that figures in to your thoughts.
 
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Dave3000

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I would buy one if it was $700 and sell my GTX 680. I could use more performance in Crysis 3 and Far Cry 3. Even though I can buy another GTX 680 for SLI, higher frame rates than the Titan, and can afford it to give me better performance in those games, I just think there are too many trade-offs with a Multi-GPU card, SLI, or Crossfire that I don't want to deal with.
 

BallaTheFeared

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Coming from a guy who trolled the forum for months regarding GTX470 Tri-SLI beating HD7970 and now not a peep about GTX670 SLI delivering Titan's performance for $350 less or how HD7950 OC is less than 10% slower than a GTX680 OC for $170 less. I am consistent in overclocking and price/performance. You seem to pick and choose w/e way things swing in favour of NV. Why aren't you ripping the Titan apart when GTX660Ti SLI beat it in the NCIX review? You aren't consistent and yet you call me biased.

Ahh I get it.

It's trolling for me to point out SLI 470s were quite a bit faster than the 7970 at release, but it's not for you to do the same? Is that hypocrite I smell?

I'm fully aware that 670 SLI will deliver about the same performance, but I'm not trying to sell products or put others down based on my view in every thread. I was only mentioning my results with my setup, though clearly we have different purposes for posting here - mine being to discuss hardware, yours being to sell it.

Why would you even mention 7950 OC vs 680 OC? Does AMD offer the same level of support, and same feature set that the only way to compare hardware now is straight up price/perf? :hmm: Every single post you make is furthering your own personal agenda of selling products and pushing your own views and preferences onto everyone else. Not everyone overclocks, not everyone cares about price/performance only... Get it? There is a reason AMD got rolled out of the market share department when they tried to charge more for more performance, welcome to the real world.

I haven't picked or chosen anything, only pointed out that you keep suggesting CF is comparable when CF doesn't even offer any performance over a single card, just more stutter.

Why would I point out the obvious? Two mid-range faster than a single high end, holy cow man, you've discovered something new and unprecedented here! :hmm:
 

3DVagabond

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Ahh I get it.

It's trolling for me to point out SLI 470s were quite a bit faster than the 7970 at release, but it's not for you to do the same? Is that hypocrite I smell?

I'm fully aware that 670 SLI will deliver about the same performance, but I'm not trying to sell products or put others down based on my view in every thread. I was only mentioning my results with my setup, though clearly we have different purposes for posting here - mine being to discuss hardware, yours being to sell it.

Why would you even mention 7950 OC vs 680 OC? Does AMD offer the same level of support, and same feature set that the only way to compare hardware now is straight up price/perf? :hmm: Every single post you make is furthering your own personal agenda of selling products and pushing your own views and preferences onto everyone else. Not everyone overclocks, not everyone cares about price/performance only... Get it? There is a reason AMD got rolled out of the market share department when they tried to charge more for more performance, welcome to the real world.

I haven't picked or chosen anything, only pointed out that you keep suggesting CF is comparable when CF doesn't even offer any performance over a single card, just more stutter.

Why would I point out the obvious? Two mid-range faster than a single high end, holy cow man, you've discovered something new and unprecedented here! :hmm:

You know a lot of people, including reviewers, have used crossfire and seen the improvement in performance. Don't be in too much of a hurry to paint crossfire with such a large brush until we get more facts.
 

DooKey

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Back OT........I'm getting my first EVGA Titan today via FedEx and I have a second EVGA Titan coming in tomorrow afternoon via FedEx. I'm going to run the new RE6 timedemo for single and SLI over the next couple of days and I'll compare that to my SLI 660Ti's score. I'll run at both 1080p and 1440p.
 

BrightCandle

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Sweet. Can you capture some frame time captures for me and send them my way? I do want to see some more results on how they go as I am so darn tempted myself.
 

DooKey

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Sweet. Can you capture some frame time captures for me and send them my way? I do want to see some more results on how they go as I am so darn tempted myself.

Sure. Send me a PM with instructions on how to do it.
 

Annisman*

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Back OT........I'm getting my first EVGA Titan today via FedEx and I have a second EVGA Titan coming in tomorrow afternoon via FedEx. I'm going to run the new RE6 timedemo for single and SLI over the next couple of days and I'll compare that to my SLI 660Ti's score. I'll run at both 1080p and 1440p.

Same here, one today one tomorrow. And I'll be sharing some thoughts on SLI, microstutter and the possible benefits of using just one card. These observations will mostly ignore raw fps and focus on experience and fluidity
 

CurrentlyPissed

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I originally was going to get a Titan, instead I got impatient and bought a 2nd DCUII 680. Only problem was my board (ASRock fatal1ty Pro) is a 3 slot design. So the cards were too close together and the top card is getting mega starved.

So I sold both 680s, was looking at Titan again, or 690. But I play at 5760x1080.

In stead I think I'm going to go with 2x EVGA 670 FTW+ 4GBs
 

BallaTheFeared

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I wouldn't get 670s for triple screen, pitty Titan is so expensive it's definitely your best performance option.
 

CurrentlyPissed

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I wouldn't get 670s for triple screen, pitty Titan is so expensive it's definitely your best performance option.

Yeah but 2 670s would out perform it a Titan solo. I would go 2x 7970. But my 3 AH-IPS monitors are HDMI only, and I don't want any tearing from a active DP-> HDMI.

Realistically I have a budget of $1000. So 690, Titan, 2x670, or CFX 7970. I would go Titan, but I doubt I'm going to find one by Friday. Can't justify doing 2x 680s, as I would want the 4GB models, and I'm not paying for that compared to a 670 4GB when they perform damn near identical.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Yeah but 2 670s would out perform it a Titan solo. I would go 2x 7970. But my 3 AH-IPS monitors are HDMI only, and I don't want any tearing from a active DP-> HDMI.

Realistically I have a budget of $1000. So 690, Titan, 2x670, or CFX 7970. I would go Titan, but I doubt I'm going to find one by Friday. Can't justify doing 2x 680s, as I would want the 4GB models, and I'm not paying for that compared to a 670 4GB when they perform damn near identical.

Titan is a bit behind the 690 at triple screen, which is about what you could expect from a 4GB 670 setup. I believe it's actually closer performance wise at triple screen than it is at 1080.

They're on the egg for preorder, at least last I saw.

Titan isn't cheap though, only you can decide if you want to go down that path... Titan SLI would be the best thing since sliced bread, $2,000 not withstand ()

Isn't 7970 the best option for triple screen gaming outside of titan?

Not with the current state of CF.
 

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My 680 is decent for 3 monitors but obviously a pair of titans will beat it soundly, a single one however would be somewhat worse. The extra VRam would be very useful especially with AA options which often have to get turned off to get it to fit on the 680s as they are a bit VRam anemic.

The problem with surround is that games don't seem to support it very often. A lot of the games I am playing right now don't work with it well enough. I am moving away from triple screens and going 120hz because so few games are working well in surround. So just as most reviewers start to test it to really push these new cards I am struggling to find games that genuinely look good in it and work well.
 

SexyK

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Anyone got a read on availability? Looks like most places have sold out of their initial stock at this point. Anyone got info to the contrary?

EDIT: Looks like Amazon has preorders up for EVGA SC and SC Signature now, probably going to get in line for a SC... can always cancel before it ships.
 
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CurrentlyPissed

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Anyone got a read on availability? Looks like most places have sold out of their initial stock at this point. Anyone got info to the contrary?

EDIT: Looks like Amazon has preorders up for EVGA SC and SC Signature now, probably going to get in line for a SC... can always cancel before it ships.

Newegg earlier had 28th listed. Once pre-order went away it then showed March 21st. Some already being received.
 

moonbogg

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Yeah but 2 670s would out perform it a Titan solo. I would go 2x 7970. But my 3 AH-IPS monitors are HDMI only, and I don't want any tearing from a active DP-> HDMI.

Realistically I have a budget of $1000. So 690, Titan, 2x670, or CFX 7970. I would go Titan, but I doubt I'm going to find one by Friday. Can't justify doing 2x 680s, as I would want the 4GB models, and I'm not paying for that compared to a 670 4GB when they perform damn near identical.

A 690 is the worst option of all of them. Not enough vram, PERIOD! You'll be screwing yourself pretty good if you get one for triple monitors.
 
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