I live that stuff vicariously through Phil'scomputerlab. Oldest thing I am playing around with now is a FX 6100 on 970 board. Where as the FX 8350 continuously surprised me what it could do, this CPU is garbage. Won't overclock for beans with the Gigabyte board it's in, and I simply will not refer to its capabilities or lack thereof using the term performance. 🤣If you get really bored you can always start hanging out on Vogons forums and reliving your past like I’ve been. That Pentium 200i I had collecting dust ended up getting the 233 MMx upgrade, a Voodoo 2, 120 GB Sata SSD and 8 GB compact flash for removable storage running a customized Win95 OSR2. Yes I hunted down and bought a pci SATA adaptor that had Win9x drivers. The disk speed is about as fast as the RAM bandwidth IIRC.
Friends don't let friends buy Dell desktops.I think Dell mobos are pretty robust.
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What a strange take on eDRAM.
eDRAM can be as fast (in terms of bandwidth) or as low-latency (within reasonable limits) as needed, and it's dense. IBM was throwin' around on-die 80MB eDRAM caches well over a decade ago, on a 32nm SOI node, with no exotic packaging needed. A modern evolution of that could be many hundreds of MB of fast on-die cache - on 14HP, IBM was doing z15, with 352MB eDRAM L2 and L3 and 12 cores for the CPU and then 960MB (!) of eDRAM on the external L4 chip. z15 eDRAM was even low-latency enough to be used for branch prediction structures.
I thought you mentioned Strix Halo, which is supposedly, a 256 bit DDR APUGood joke
Even frickin' AMD doesn't wanna give us quad channel RAM in the consumer space. It shoud've come down to us by now, leaving hexachannel and 12-channel RAM for workstations and servers.
Unfortunately, I don't foresee a quad channel system in my lifetime, short of a miracle or a lottery win.
AMD isn't hibernating, unlike Intel. Zen 5 is coming soon although it's still later than I wish.
Then what's so hard about tacking on an L4 cache to Raptor Lake Refresh, even just for the Core 9 CPU, to make it the absolute gaming champ?
I really hope for Intel's sake that they come out with a Core 5 and a Core 9 Ultra desktop CPU at 125W and 150W respectively, for the AI PC boom with base DDR5-6400 or 7200 support in the IMC. They probably won't be enough to threaten Zen 5's predicted absolute domination in benchmarks but at least the sum of parts would look appealing to prospective customers.
.. you're not gonna like it.
I think the current CPU panorama is, in my opinion, one of the best that we have ever seen.
I come from a period of time where the first CPUs to become relevant - meaning, that you could actually CHOOSE what CPU went into your computer - were the Pentiums. And god help me, i need to be really focused not to swear in the tech forums, because those were absolutely garbage. Years and years and years and years and years of tiny microscopic clock bumps and massive price hikes, and Intel strangulating a market because .. **** you consumer, what are you going to do **** ?
Really things only got better when teh Athlons got released, but even then you really just were taking a cheating-way-out with buying AMD but essentially getting the same CPU for less, that ran faster. Still a 1-core, still no cache, just a lil' faster.
Obviously the whole C2D thing changed everything .. while dual-core already existed, they were pretty much unusable. Conroe was the first VIABLE multicore platform. Yeha ok it took some time for AMD to catch up, some of their early designs had flaws, but when you are competing with a company whose war chest is bigger than the entire market capitalization of your own company, you're gonna have some difficulties.
And since you like to talk sh.. about MARKETING LIES, AMD did the same with their Bulldozer CPUs. It was either that, or go bankrupt. Actually admirable that they used it successfully enough to not crash. It's .. think of a sport, and someone uses A FEINT to throw off the attacker. It's part of the game, baby.
Today i can both buy an immensely powerful CPU that 30 years ago would have only been affordable to a business, for a month's wages, but i can also buy excellent midrange components that will last 5+ years (i just took out my 4670K for a 5600X), and i can also buy midrange specifically designed for my needs - idk, maybe you need a 16 core because you do photo editing, and that's £500 .. dude that is NOTHING.
I'm also not sure why you're upset at the, well, "stagnation" of the technology. You're spoiled if you think we are somehow left for want on the CPU market, wtf do you play, Microsoft Flight Simulator on 7 screens??
the current Intel flagship has 8 (actual) cores, 5.6 Ghz, 32 threads, 30Mb cache. I was already old when we needed LIQUID F** NITROGEN to get these speeds.
We're at the point where electron migration is an actual problem. The technology is pushed so hard that the physical proprieties of the atoms in the material used are impacting the design of the chips. Can you be happy that we're basically working on a molecular scale, so you can play Modern Warfare?
Pentium D was *bad*, the X2 platform i never owned, i cannot say, but i was warned that Windows just did not understand that 2 cores existed. i kinda believed them. Dude we're talking Windows XP here.Too much work for too little return. Hell, I bet they would lose money doing that.
A64 X2 was very much useable as a dual core. Pentium D? Well, I wouldn't know. I stayed away from that train wreck.
Pentium D was *bad*, the X2 platform i never owned, i cannot say, but i was warned that Windows just did not understand that 2 cores existed. i kinda believed them. Dude we're talking Windows XP here.
I bought a 2 GHz Sempron in the P4 era. My next PC would be a Core 2 Quad 9400 with Windows Vista.The P-D had to give up a lot more and so single threaded performance suffered.
Not sure if that's the same thing as quad channel RAM. That's LPDDR5 or 5X. I don't know much about how LPDDR works though.I thought you mentioned Strix Halo, which is supposedly, a 256 bit DDR APU
Dells are fine except the capacitor plague era C2D dells.Friends don't let friends buy Dell desktops.
They are old news with the imminent launch of Zen 5. Sure, they might still hold up well. But they will suffer in cases where pure brute force IPC matters more than cache size.The X3D Zen 4 CPUs are hardly boring.
What are the specs of that??? I mean, is it RDRAM or DDR based? Or worse, SDRAM based? Probably using WinXP.I mean, I still have the Northwood Celeron Dell from 21 years ago.
I just spent a good amount of time looking for a decent 990FX mobo and a really cheap brand new 9370. Then I checked a review and it turned out that it's a pretty bad power guzzling CPU. Ah, no thanks. I'm better off with my i7-5775C.Oldest thing I am playing around with now is a FX 6100 on 970 board.
They are old news with the imminent launch of Zen 5. Sure, they might still hold up well. But they will suffer in cases where pure brute force IPC matters more than cache size.
Yeah. Intel is pretty tight lipped about it so far. If they manage to clock it really high with decent IPC gains, I would call it a miracle.Arrow lake is a wildcard.
Dude.Not sure if that's the same thing as quad channel RAM. That's LPDDR5 or 5X. I don't know much about how LPDDR works though.
CPU performance is passe... its all about AI performance now. Even AMD is pimping AI in its CES 2024 presentation.Yeah. Intel is pretty tight lipped about it so far. If they manage to clock it really high with decent IPC gains, I would call it a miracle.
256-bit = quad channel.
Unless AI can help the CPU process instructions more efficiently based on usage patterns, it's useless.CPU performance is passe... its all about AI performance now. Even AMD is pimping AI in its CES 2024 presentation.
AI speed is the new marketing king. Microsoft has been able to convince laptop manufacturers to install a copilot key. Intel certainly won't be talking about cpu speed post Zen 5 release, it will all be about AI speed.Unless AI can help the CPU process instructions more efficiently based on usage patterns, it's useless.
Generative AI? Check the output very, very carefully for any obvious mistakes, unless you want to be embarrassed in front of everyone.
I mean, I still have the Northwood Celeron Dell from 21 years ago.
Lets say it this way. You need 4 mem slots in parallel to get 256 bit. No mainstream desktop motherboard has this, so no Strix Halo for desktop.JEDEC Publishes LPDDR5X Standard at up to 8533 Mbps
www.anandtech.com
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Funny. That says LPDDR5/5X is single channel.
I hope at the very least, that widespread adoption leads to at least one killer application that changes the way we use computers in our daily lives. Otherwise it will be a massive wasted effort.And why wouldn't the entire industry try to drum up interest in something to leads folk to an upgrade decision?