Anyone else embarassed by our President (US)?

[Turin39789]

I agree that he should not have gone to Washington
And I'd like to say that he is not my president.
And though I criticize him daily(I mean couldn't he like every other official on tv today have learned some of the speech that was written for him instead of looking down every 3 words at his paper?)

I think that right now we need to let it drop. Public activism affects things in the long run and is important but we will have no control or influence over the swift actions that are necessary now. Time to sit back and wait and after the crisis is over we can once again turn a watchful eye to our last wilderness in Alaska and our finances in his magic shield.

Stand tall, stand together

 

[snow]

Well, dolemite, I hated to go to the momma card, but then again everything around here starts with your mom

 

[snow]

<< Stand tall, stand together >>



I agree. But that doesn't mean we should make Bush out to be the great man that he is obviously not.

 

[sandorski]

Though I'll agree that Bush going to Washington would have been the ultimate statement to the terrorists and the general populace of the US, he has other things to consider. The shock and horror of yesterday's acts were hard enough to absorb, could you imagine how much worse things would be if your President was lost too?

No, he didn't act like a coward, he did what was wisest for the American psyche.

 

[snow]

Alright, really going to bed now Thanks to all those who posted intelligent replies. You have helped to restore my faith in the educational system to a degree. It is just a shame that others have to make threats and use four letter words when they hear something they do not agree with, yet do not have the competence to reply to in a civilized manner.

 

[JonnyDuke]

Snow-

I think you are a poor citizen that has no concept of the burden of responsabilities weighing on the shoulders of our President. Your ignorance shows in your expectations of the most important man in the free world to put on some macho "I'm not afraid of 'em" show by making an appearance in the middle of a terrorist attack that no one knew for sure was even done yet!!! I have no doubt you would have done differently, but that is why YOU are not President!!!

 

[Turin39789]

I don't thin any of us expects Bush to run out and kill anyone himself.

That being said I think we would like him to read on a high school level

 

[Tiger]

snow,

To take cheap shots at the President, as you have, downplaying the importance of keeping the government leadership alive, shows your ignorance of how this government works. All for the sake of letting little hand wringers like yourself "feel better".

Yes, I'm a citizen of the US, born and bred.
I was voting in elections when you were suckin your momma's titty, you pathetic little troll.

 

[Turin39789]

<< I was voting in elections when you were suckin your momma's titty, you pathetic little troll. >>




Wow.... Viper...........it's good to know you are ............................old

 

[dc]

largest and deadliest terrorist attack in history...
symbol of american capatilism destroyed...
symbol of american military power in disarray...
tens of thousands of civilians dead, including countless hero's that sacrificed their lives doing their jobs...

time for unity in this country. and you are petty enough to complain that the president was playing it by the books and playing it safe and smart. get a clue what just F@#$en happened to our country.

 

[wesbc]

First it amazes me how this country comes together in light of this horror. And now it amazes me how this country bickers and call names at each other, snow you included.

No one know what sort of danger we were facing. I was hearing about bombs and planes attack. If these Ts were so organized to have managed to crash 4 planes and 3 into buildings of importance, who are to say they didn't have anything else under there sleeves. And wouldn't it be bad if the Jet fighter shot down an innocent plane just because it got too close to the White House? There was a lot of confusion, here in NJ we were hearing about Police planes being hijacked. Then it was racing up the river. No one really knew what was going one. The Intelligence did not protect us from this terror so how do you think we can be sure about protecting the Presdient. As said before by a previous post, a President is useless if he's dead.

I'm shaking by all of these and hearing of all the panic from other states really worries me. If the President was dead, then this country would surely be in a much bigger chaos then it is already.

 

[bbqweed]

<< In his first statement he never once mentioned NY and the thousands killed. He did mention an attack against America, but it sounded like he was only quickly briefed on the Pentagon attack. My wife and I were utterly shocked that he did not mention NY by name nor did he mention any form of condolences to the thousands of civilians that were affected. Re-examine his first statment; it is pretty sad. It makes him look foolish >>



Reason for this is because a hit to the WTC is an attack on all of the United States. The buildings were symbolic of economic dominance of the United States. So when he doesn't speak of NY in particular...I think his attempt was to bring support from the entire nation. Although the US is defined by 50 states, they combine for 1 nation. The Pres just wants to unite the country together for the same cause of action.

Togetherness as a nation is what we need to get pass this ordeal. If we all insist on being separate, then we will have very many problems. If we can stick together, we shall represent stronger foe for terrorism across the world....

 

[Static911]

um...i don't think even the SS would let him back out of safety reason...

let me ask, WHERE WOULD GORE BE? eh? I know for sure he wouldn't be there...probably flying the Airforce 1 to Brazil and rain forest so he can hug some trees and let US take care of itself

hehe...ok, now i'm wired after downing another 4 cans of adreniline

static911

 

[swai]

so... if Pres Bush went back to DC to be at "the front lines" instead of Omaha it would have shown strength and courage??
ya, maybe, but it also would have been freakn stupid

commanding generals aren't supposed to be at the front lines just to show courage... this isn't Braveheart you know, this is real life. you gotta do whatever you can to protect your leader

 

[xyyz]

<<
let me ask, WHERE WOULD GORE BE? eh? I know for sure he wouldn't be there...probably flying the Airforce 1 to Brazil and rain forest so he can hug some trees and let US take care of itself

static911 >>



yer an idiot...

anyways... recall there were threats made to the whitehouse and the capitol building... they were evacuated... there was a fear that there would be other forms of terrorism... the SS did it's duty and protected the president... it wasn't Bush's decision... critisizing him is a moot point... the end

 

[Static911]

criticize bush? ME? LOL! i always have been Bush fan...Texan man...

I'm just stating (from aLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL my previous threads and posts about Bush bashing) quit blaming Bush on everything

Stocks go down = blame bush ...um, no!

Terrorist attak = blame bush ...um, no!

sports closes = blame bush ..um, no!

Everyone likes to blame Bush, but man, no1 has any idea (nor me) the enormous stress he is under.

static911

 

[XMan]

Bush is in a no-win situation. No matter what he does, some aspect of our population is going to find fault in it.

No US President has had to deal with something like this since Roosevelt . . . generally when you're in a situation where you don't have experience you tend to run around like a headless chicken. I'd say Bush is handling himself quite well.

 

[Static911]

well put Xerox MAN!

static911

 

[Shockwave]

Attacks were form jetliners...To begin with. What if, and to be honest I'm suprised it didnt, the attackers had decided to hide a few nerve gas bombs throughout the city to go off while rescuers were working? All the fighters in the world wouldnt do squat. Gas is gas, your dead.
But, lets put it in perspective so maybe eevryone can understand. If theres a bad thunderstrom, do you put the Escort or the Viper in the garage? The Viper. Its worth more. Same with Bush. His value to this country (even if it may be only as a figurehead) is simply too high to risk the possibilty of a random bomb or gas attack to stick in the middle of a war zone.

 

[archmage]

<< ~150yrs ago we fought the Civil War, in this war we taught the world some important lessons in warfare. The south for the most part believed in the idea of a leader at the front of the troops leading the men into battle. They suffered terriable loss of leaders in their armies and lost the war. That certianly is not THE reason they lost but it is A reason they did not win.

the North on the other hand kept the leaders to the rear and they were able finally to win the war in the long run when the south finally ran out of competent leadership. >>



Umm, the South still had Lee and many other competent officers at the end of the war. It is true that Lee's loss of Stonewall Jackson hurt the South badly, but the main reason that the South had so much success early in the war was that the North kept their competent leaders waaaaaaay to the rear (as in not in command of their major armies).

The North gradually dumped their most incompetent generals (many of whom had command of troops for political reasons) and gave more responsibility to Grant and others with demonstrated ability. There were a few critical "turning point" moments in the war, but I don't disagree with you that a shift in the balance of leadership quality was a key factor. Certainly, the war became virtually unwinnable for the South once they stopped winning battle after battle primarily because of incompent northern generals. I just think that the shift came primarily from northern leadership improving, not from southern leadership becoming incompetent.



<< It is not job of the president to be on the front lines, he is best kept safe and out of the line of fire. Anyone who expects him to stand up and draw fire is a fool who does not understand how the government works. I was cursing the media all day long for always letting us know where he was. Why? >>



I agree with this. We don't need CNN and ABC giving the world updates on where our leaders are when our country is under attack.

 

[Oda]

Look in history, JFK was in Washington during the Cuban missile crisis, he was regarded as having handled that situation well.

 

[JonnyDuke]

Oda-

Different situation! That was a threat from outside our borders, not freakin next door!!

 

[RossGr]

<< The North gradually dumped their most incompetent generals (many of whom had command of troops for political reasons) and gave more responsibility to Grant and others with demonstrated ability. There were a few critical "turning point" moments in the war, but I don't disagree with you that a shift in the balance of leadership quality was a key factor. >>



What hurt the South even more then Stonewall, (is that possible!) was the terriable toll taken amounst the low level leadership. The Captians and Lieutenents who should have been promoted to Major and General by the end of the war, died by the hundred while leading essentially suicide charges. There is a book (which I can remember neither title nor author, sorry) which presents a very convining argument with numbers to back them up, siteing the Celtic heritiage of the South, as the background which put the leader at front of the troops. Note that I very specifically said that it was NOT THE reason they lost, it was an unwinable war, but A reason they did not win, along with a lot of other reasons. The fact is the south took a much higer toll at ALL levels of leadership then the North. Can't really count Stonewall, that was friendly fire!

 

[Goosemaster]

Snow,

Yor probably asleep but oh well.


It sadens me in hearing your pesemistic attitude towards such a tragedy. Remember, 50,000 workers worked in the towers, and there is no count on the dead, and estimates in the 10,000 are starting to seem plausable. What struck me as the most memorable moments were the couple hugging and choosing to jump, and a picture of a man waving for help, olding on to the side, with no floor inside beneath him.

People died. The reason the SS took Bush away was because they wanted to prevent any eventualities. YOU know what happened, but only those responsible knew WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. We no know that the other plane that carshed was prevented from heading towards the white house only because of those few who gave there lives on the plane to stop a hijacking.

Please stop your ingress on the already battered pride of the US. Bush has his problems, but you do too. Regarless of Protocols and bushes weakness, let me land a hard blow to your "pride" so that you will wake up:

Have you realize that you are, in essense, indifferent for the life of the President. If it was your wife or your GF, you would want them to get away. He was one of the "spouses" of the country, and I am proud that the US saved him, regardless of details.

Please stop bickering. I am only here because I am washing my close before i go to work because i forgot to do it last night. My only goal in writing now is to get something into the minds of those bickerees:

Get the hell out of your bed. Go Give Blod. Go Pray to GOd for letiing YOU live through the night. Stop complaining about the past- stop complaining about the inane.

i was actually going to go to NEW YOrk today as a last trip with my dad before going to college, and in the mourning, I probably would have been up there and by now I would have been dead for a day, alongside my father.

Pray to God or your own God a prayer of thanks for your life. pray for all those brave men who gave there lives for the lives of the innocent. Pray a paryer of thanks for the life of the President.

If you dare criticize this, that would be truely sad, and I will pray for you.


God Bless those on earth and heaven, and you do the same.

You never know, you maybe next....

Worry about the future, not the past. No one in the past cares.

 

[RossGr]

<< Look in history, JFK was in Washington during the Cuban missile crisis, he was regarded as having handled that situation well. >>



That was 40 years ago,,,, time wise....technology wise it was aeons ago. Remember, JFK never heard of a personal computer, Jet airliners were still new tech, things have changed ALOT since 1962. Air Force one is the safest place for Bush, he has total access to critial information and complete control of events. That is where he belongs, not placing himself in potential danger just to soothe the public. The public needs to be educated on such things, to bad the media is composed of so many ingnorant fools. (IMHO)

is that to strong a statement? Sorry.