Yes, actively rooting for the destruction of close to 1/5 of the economy is the MO of the Republicans ... deplorable actually but what they have been reduced to. Disgusting.
Yes, actively rooting for the destruction of close to 1/5 of the economy is the MO of the Republicans ... deplorable actually but what they have been reduced to. Disgusting.The new Republican "plan" after the Trumpcare debacle is to have Obamacare "explode" on their watch and point fingers. This is the state of the modern day Republican party and the conservative movement, both of which belong on the ash heap of history.
And where is the exactly? The areas who fought tooth and nail not to implement anything? Looks like a lot of deep red states
What about the ones who refused to even accept the Medicaid expansion? Let's look at those States see if there are any patterns...
Not a perfect 1:1, but I'm not feeling terribly sympathetic when much of the same ppl complaining didn't even try to make it work.
Fact is, it is working elsewhere. It's not impossible.
But like much in life, garbage in, garbage out.
At this point you are just hurting yourselves. It may not be everyone's preferred option, but it's the one we've got and the likelihood of getting something magical that pleases everyone, works great and costs little is next to 0.
Actually try to build something rather than just blow stuff up for political gain.
Yeah...that's it, that's the ticket! That's exactly what they're rooting for! lolYes, actively rooting for the destruction of close to 1/5 of the economy is the MO of the Republicans ... deplorable actually but what they have been reduced to. Disgusting.
So do we call the health care the Republicans finally gave us, Trumpcare of Ryancare. I don't know which is more deserving of the honor.
Yeah...that's it, that's the ticket! That's exactly what they're rooting for! lol
There will be consensus on many other issues...but your concern is very much appreciated.They actually are. The Republican Party is incapable of creating anything of value, so for political gain all they have left is to destroy. The Tea Party/Freedom Caucasus caused this. They created a large schism in the Republican party. They are too extreme in their views for much of the party but hold enough power to prevent anything they don't like from being made. They should have split off and become their own party but if they did that the Republicans would have lost too many voters to maintain their power base, so they tried to incorporate them. That allowed them to win but now the party is paralyzed by infighting. The party can not come up with policy that will please the majority of their members, and the extreme group is to fanatical to compromise to get some of what they want. But they can all agree that they hate the Democrats. So, instead of creating all we get is destruction.
Problem is, he can't be, even if he wanted to....but then again, he doesn't want to be anything but a foul mouthed three year old, you know, to more emulate his god Trump.
What is the motivation? Isn't the aim to destroy government so that people cease to turn to it as a means to solve problems, a very useful tool when you are the opposition party that is the primary tool of those who make money with no respect for the commons or the health or welfare of the people, or would like to see people work for little.They actually are. The Republican Party is incapable of creating anything of value, so for political gain all they have left is to destroy. The Tea Party/Freedom Caucasus caused this. They created a large schism in the Republican party. They are too extreme in their views for much of the party but hold enough power to prevent anything they don't like from being made. They should have split off and become their own party but if they did that the Republicans would have lost too many voters to maintain their power base, so they tried to incorporate them. That allowed them to win but now the party is paralyzed by infighting. The party can not come up with policy that will please the majority of their members, and the extreme group is to fanatical to compromise to get some of what they want. But they can all agree that they hate the Democrats. So, instead of creating all we get is destruction.
Care to offer up something that will get broader support and defend it as something good for the majority of people?There will be consensus on many other issues...but your concern is very much appreciated.
Haha. I've lurked here since the beginning. Joined in 2010. Recently decided to offer my view on things.
They are both playing the same game in different ways. The Dems passed the ACA without any input from the Repubs. All of their lies to the people about keeping your Doctor and your Medical Plan. Knowing all the while it was a platform built on a sand foundation. If nothing is done to change it it will go to hell.
It is not both sides.
It's obvious that the defeated Repub healthcare proposal would have collapsed the ACA, a system that has expanded coverage to 20M Americans. That's per the CBO & any sort of rational analysis. Repubs adamantly oppose any sort of universal healthcare coverage effort simply because the rich will have to pay more than the little guys to achieve it. Explain how Dems are supposed to work with that.
Yes it is.
WTF? The ACA is a historic republican plan. Verbatim. No amount of newspeak denial of that fact will make this less true. It is, in essence, a decades-long vetted darling of the republican establishment. If you are not willing to accept this fact, then you are incapable of engaging further.
And now for a few words about how it is already obvious that Trump is a much less effective political leader than Obama was. 1/
In light of this tweet, let's discuss the abject failures of leadership that led to the failure of the AHCA https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/845974102619906048 … 2/
I don't think the AHCA was worth passing, but if Trump did, he did a terrible job of seeing that it happened. 3/
Let's recall the work that went into the passage of Obamacare. It was a process that took nine months of intra-party wrangling. 4/
Obama was in regular contact with his own party's congressional leadership and engaged in a full-court PR press to sell the bill. 5/
A process which began long before the bill was even conceived. 6/
An important element of this was that Obama did not act like a jackass every single day on Twitter and immediately tank his approval 7/
Thus, his campaigning, particularly with members of his own party, actually worked. His own party cared about crossing him. 8/
Now let's contrast this with Trump's, uh, "efforts," if you wish to call them that, to ensure passage of the AHCA. 9/
First, he doomed the whole effort by setting up wildly unrealistic expectations - we will repeal "immediately," it will be "very easy" 10/
Then, he refused to participate even a little bit in the drafting of the bill, even to provide input on thematic elements. 11/
Once the bill was drafted, he failed to educate himself at all on what was even contained in the bill. 12/
The entire time, he undercut House leadership's messaging on the bill and sent dramatically inconsistent messages in the press. 13/
During the fight over the bill he did almost no work to convince the public of the need for its passage. No major speeches, no townhalls 14/
He did, however, play a lot of golf, so he had that in common with Obama. 15/
During the debate over Obamacare, Obama personally cajoled, threatened, and bribed (Nelson-NE) his own caucus to keep them on board. 16/
Obama stuck with the bill even after a necessary vote in the Senate (Kennedy) DIED, making a conference committee impossible. 17/
Trump walked away after the bill had been debated for about two weeks and he personally had been involved for about 3 days. 18/
In short, the amount of effort he put forth was pathetic and his tactics were ill-suited to work with elected officials 19/
Most importantly, he has no political capital to make people afraid of him because his OTHER unforced errors made him unpopular 20/
Unforced errors, by the way, that have had nothing to do with advancing his agenda but rather with protecting his infantile ego 21/
Again, the AHCA's failure is a good thing. But if you disagree with that, nearly 100% of the failure lies with Trump. 22/
The idiotic rants of Jeanine Pirro and Sean Hannity aside, Congressmen are not serfs. Trump isn't Kim Jong Un. Leaders understand this. 23/
- Arch-conservative Leon W.
Tax reform.Care to offer up something that will get broader support and defend it as something good for the majority of people?
Lie. Although there are some similarities to the 1993 bill, there were many dissimilarities as well. And to frame it as a Republican plan when a majority of Republicans didn't support it is dishonest as hell.WTF? The ACA is a historic republican plan. Verbatim. No amount of newspeak denial of that fact will make this less true. It is, in essence, a decades-long vetted darling of the republican establishment. If you are not willing to accept this fact, then you are incapable of engaging further.
“the stupidity of the American voter”
I am concerned. I don't think there will be any consensus on almost any constructive issues, only destructive ones. It is easy to dislike something but another thing altogether to make something useful.There will be consensus on many other issues...but your concern is very much appreciated.
Possibly, but doubtful. I suppose if tax reform means, "less taxes for me", it will be popular. If it means, "revenues will be brought into line with spending to erase the deficit while paying off the debt in an orderly fashion", then I suspect its popularity will be wanting.Tax reform.
Lie. Although there are some similarities to the 1993 bill, there were many dissimilarities as well. And to frame it as a Republican plan when a majority of Republicans didn't support it is dishonest as hell.
So it was the Republicans that said :
If you like your plan you can keep your plan.
If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor.
We must pass this bill to see what is in it.
Along with all of the other trickery used to get it passed.
I also have serious doubts about it being a verbatim. I do not doubt that it has some kinship with other plans that were brought before, but it was still in all a plan that was basically passed without knowing what was in it or the implications. " We must pass this bill to see what is in it ". It is not a Republican bill. It is a Democrat bastard version of several previous proposals with many changes.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...s-and-subsidies-from-the-public/#259ac1557c05
As stated by one of the creators: Gruber said that “the stupidity of the American voter” made it important for him and Democrats to hide Obamacare’s true costs from the public. “That was really, really critical for the thing to pass,” said Gruber. “But I’d rather have this law than not.” In other words, the ends—imposing Obamacare upon the public—justified the means.
Lie. Although there are some similarities to the 1993 bill, there were many dissimilarities as well. And to frame it as a Republican plan when a majority of Republicans didn't support it is dishonest as hell.