Anyone else enjoy the Repubs squirming on Obamacare replacement?

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Fern

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Lol, by that logic the vote that would have taken place for the AHCA and failed wouldn't have been a Republican plan.

MAJOR difference: A majority of Repubs supported the AHCA. They own it.

Back in the 80's only a very small minority of Repubs supported that bill. It went no where because it had no support.

Fern
 

ivwshane

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MAJOR difference: A majority of Repubs supported the AHCA. They own it.

Back in the 80's only a very small minority of Repubs supported that bill. It went no where because it had no support.

Fern

Lol, clearly a majority of them don't support it because it didn't even come up for a vote!


Oh, and it wasn't in the mid 80's it was in the early nineties, you know when Clinton was proposing health care reform.
 

Jhhnn

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Lol, clearly a majority of them don't support it because it didn't even come up for a vote!


Oh, and it wasn't in the mid 80's it was in the early nineties, you know when Clinton was proposing health care reform.

That's not accurate. Ryan had a majority of Repubs, just not a majority necessary to pass the measure.

Thank the Teatards & their pointy little heads for that. The only reason it didn't pass is because it wasn't cruel enough to suit them.
 

ivwshane

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That's not accurate. Ryan had a majority of Repubs, just not a majority necessary to pass the measure.

Thank the Teatards & their pointy little heads for that. The only reason it didn't pass is because it wasn't cruel enough to suit them.

Ah, yes, thank you for the correction.
 

Sonikku

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Doesn't matter though. If this plan was so bad it couldn't clear a simple House vote with a Republican majority it had basically a 0% chance of clearing the Senate. Getting something to pass in the House is as easy as pie in contrast.
 

zinfamous

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Why do you guys persist in this?

We went through this back when Obamacare was being debated. The few Repubs who supported it couldn't get enough of the other Repubs on board to even bring it to a vote. That's how unpopular it was among the Repubs then.

"Wet dream that the repubs always wanted"? Of course not, that's just being silly.

Fern

lol. It's like you guys actually believed that Romneycare wasn't Romneycare, simply because you didn't want to believe that it was. 2012 was such an interesting year for you people.
 

brycejones

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MAJOR difference: A majority of Repubs supported the AHCA. They own it.
Fern

Do you ever fact check what you post? They couldn't get a majority in the house to go along with it and this little tidbit from a recent poll:

"Strikingly, not even a majority of the surveyed Republicans endorse the GOP health care plan, with just 41% in support and 24% in opposition."

http://fortune.com/2017/03/23/ahca-unpopular-poll-obamacare/
 
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MAJOR difference: A majority of Repubs supported the AHCA. They own it.

Back in the 80's only a very small minority of Repubs supported that bill. It went no where because it had no support.

Fern

I'm not questioning the second part but I don't understand the first part. AHCA didn't get a vote because they didn't have a majority or even close, the Senate didn't appear to have a majority, even public polling showed most Republicans thought the bill stunk. Hell look at this thread not one person fully supported the AHCA.
Where is this hidden majority or have I misunderstood?
 

Younigue

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I'm not questioning the second part but I don't understand the first part. AHCA didn't get a vote because they didn't have a majority or even close, the Senate didn't appear to have a majority, even public polling showed most Republicans thought the bill stunk. Hell look at this thread not one person fully supported the AHCA.
Where is this hidden majority or have I misunderstood?
Maybe I'm wrong but I think the point is that of the Republicans the majority supported it or would have voted Yes. Though there were a large percentage of them that came out and said they would vote No, add to them the freedom caucus (also Republicans) and then the Democrats... meaning the majority of the House planned to vote No. There remained a large amount of Republicans that would have voted Yes if it had come to a vote but they would not have been enough to get it passed.
 
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Maybe I'm wrong but I think the point is that of the Republicans the majority supported it or would have voted Yes. Though there were a large percentage of them that came out and said they would vote No, add to them the freedom caucus (also Republicans) and then the Democrats... meaning the majority of the House planned to vote No. There remained a large amount of Republicans that would have voted Yes if it had come to a vote but they would not have been enough to get it passed.

That makes sense thanks!
 
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Jhhnn

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Do you ever fact check what you post? They couldn't get a majority in the house to go along with it and this little tidbit from a recent poll:

"Strikingly, not even a majority of the surveyed Republicans endorse the GOP health care plan, with just 41% in support and 24% in opposition."

http://fortune.com/2017/03/23/ahca-unpopular-poll-obamacare/

You know that Repub politicians will say anything, particularly when it's semi-anonymous. The Hastert rule states that a majority of the majority must support a bill before it can advance to the stage where a vote is even proposed. Given that a vote was set, it seems obvious that a majority of Repubs indicated to the Speaker that they were in favor.
 

Thump553

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You know that Repub politicians will say anything, particularly when it's semi-anonymous. The Hastert rule states that a majority of the majority must support a bill before it can advance to the stage where a vote is even proposed. Given that a vote was set, it seems obvious that a majority of Repubs indicated to the Speaker that they were in favor.

BS. The "Hasert Rule" is not a rule as such, it's a guideline to the majority leader on how to do things. Here poor Paulie had Trump breathing down his neck, demanding a deadline so he set a time for the vote, extended it when the votes weren't there, then abandoned it without a vote when the votes still didn't show up for the adjourned vote. Mr. "Art of the Deal" choked big time on this.
 

Jhhnn

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BS. The "Hasert Rule" is not a rule as such, it's a guideline to the majority leader on how to do things. Here poor Paulie had Trump breathing down his neck, demanding a deadline so he set a time for the vote, extended it when the votes weren't there, then abandoned it without a vote when the votes still didn't show up for the adjourned vote. Mr. "Art of the Deal" choked big time on this.
Ryan only needed 119 votes under the Hastert rule to advance the measure to a vote but 217 to win it. He may never have been close to 217 but the likelihood of him not having a majority of Repubs, 119, seems far fetched at best.
 
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